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Title: Too Long To Drive, Too Short To Fly?
Source: Forbes
URL Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/irenel ... n-travel-dilemma/#19ace72f7851
Published: Jul 1, 2018
Author: Irene S. Levine
Post Date: 2018-07-01 11:48:07 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 5344
Comments: 34

Brightline Seeks To Solve A Common Travel Dilemma

When distances between cities are great, air travel may be the only practical way to travel. When distances are short, driving or public transportation may offer alternatives. But many times, the distance between U.S. cities falls somewhere in-between these two extremes.

Brightline—the only privately owned, operated and maintained passenger railway system in the U.S.—has a bold plan to connect these cities by higher-speed passenger rail. Earlier this spring, the company submitted an unsolicited proposal to develop inter-city rail service between the Tampa Bay area and Orlando, Florida (a distance of about 85 miles), for what would be the next phase in the railway’s development.

“We think there are a lot of city pairs that have similar characteristics, kind of too long to drive, too short to fly,” said Wes Edens, head of Fortress Investment Group, one of the visionaries and financial backers of Brightline, in a recent interview with CNBC.

Charlotte and Atlanta, St. Louis and Chicago, and Houston and Dallas are among other such city pairs that come to mind, he added.

Six years in the making, Brightline launched introductory train service between Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach in southern Florida in January 2018. In May, the service was extended to Miami. Carrying both residents and visitors between these three population-dense cities, the new higher-speed train is an eco-friendly alternative to the crowded, bumper-to-bumper north-south highways.

Currently, approved plans call for Brightline service to Orlando from South Florida in the near future; construction of Phase 2 connecting Orlando will begin later this year and take approximately 30 months. Brightline’s home in Orlando will be in the new international terminal of the airport.

The modern, passenger-friendly Brightline trains, made by Siemens USA, offer complimentary Wi-Fi and power outlets at each adjustable seat; places for convenient luggage and bicycle storage; wide windows to watch the passing scenery, and food and beverage service. The cars are also pet-friendly, wheelchair accessible and 100 percent “Buy America”-compliant. With signature BrightYellow locomotives at both ends, trains never have to turn around.

The latest Brightline expansion proposal follows Florida Governor Rick Scott’s recent announcement that the state will begin accepting competitive proposals for private investment in a high-speed rail connection between Tampa Bay and Orlando.

The solicitation seeks private entities interested in leasing rights-of-way to tracks currently owned by the Florida Department of Transportation and the Central Florida Expressway Authority. (Governor Scott had previously rejected more than $2 billion in Federal funding support for rail service under the Obama administration because he feared that cost overruns would create a burden for taxpayers.)

While Brightline doesn’t match the speeds of bullet trains operating in Europe and Asia, the Florida trains can travel at top speeds of 79MPH between Miami and West Palm (much like Acela trains on the northeast corridor and Amtrak Cascades in the Pacific Northwest). Between Tampa and Orlando, where there are no grade crossings, top speeds are expected to reach 125MPH.

More than a century ago, Standard Oil founder Henry Morrison Flagler transformed Florida when he built the Florida East Coast Railway, in essence laying the foundation for the state’s tourism industry. Using these same tracks and other underutilized freight tracks for its infrastructure, Brightline hopes to create a higher-speed passenger rail system in Florida that will serve as a model for the transformation of inter-city travel across the U.S.


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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

Too Long To Drive, Too Short To Fly?

Then I don't go.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-07-01   12:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Willie Green (#0) (Edited)

I generally have no problem with private non-subsidized rail systems. If they can navigate the nightmare of acquiring the land and permits, more power to them.

What I do object to are these daft publicly subsidized systems that serve relatively few people and rarely deliver on the promises of reduced use of cars/fuel or reduced road congestion.

Here's a nice fap photo for you.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-01   12:50:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#2)

That's retarded. Railroads are the future Not anarcho capitalism

Long live the Taliban Freedom Fighters!

continental op  posted on  2018-07-01   13:11:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: continental op (#3)

Railroads are mostly the past. They are problematic when trying to deal with a country like America.

America has the best heavy-freight rail system in the world. It just is not very compatible with trying to accommodate passenger trains. And people just don't like traveling by train that much. Not when flying is cheaper and you still have to rent a car or arrange rides at your destination.

Train systems in densely populated areas with relatively short runs make sense, like the Acela trains. Cross-country trains make no sense.

We should eliminate Amtrak subsidies entirely. Then the true costs of passenger trains would be revealed. At present, we heavily subsidize most passenger train traffic outside a few metro area routes like Acela.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-01   13:22:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#4)

America is overpopulated

Too many cars not enough planes Trains are the answer

Long live the Taliban Freedom Fighters!

continental op  posted on  2018-07-01   15:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#4)

Railroads are mostly the past.

Dagny disagrees.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-07-01   15:23:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#6)

Dagny disagrees.

Who is Dagny and why should anyone care?

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-01   20:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: continental op (#5)

Too many cars not enough planes Trains are the answer

That makes no sense at all.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-01   20:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative (#8)

Well you are not very bright

Long live the Taliban Freedom Fighters!

continental op  posted on  2018-07-01   21:15:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: continental op (#9)

Well you are not very bright

It's more likely that you're drunk.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-01   22:04:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Tooconservative (#10) (Edited)

It's more likely that you're drunk.
I would add “again” to that.

It’s a weekend ritual.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-01   22:13:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#10)

https://mobile.twitter.com/wrathofgnon/status/851678197997486080/photo/1

No you really are stupid

continental op  posted on  2018-07-02   7:49:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Tooconservative (#7)

Who is Dagny and why should anyone care?

Mr. Objectivist asks me "Who is Dagny"? That's rich.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-07-02   9:32:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: misterwhite (#13)

Mr. Objectivist asks me "Who is Dagny"? That's rich.

Is this Dagny an Objectivist or a character in one of Ayn Rand's ridiculous novels? I only post scorn about Objectivists and their futility.

I still don't know who Dagny is or why I should know who he is. A quick search shows results for some woman doing porn and another one who is a singer.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-02   9:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative (#14)

I still don't know who Dagny is or why I should know who he is. A quick search shows results for some woman doing porn and another one who is a singer.

Well, let's see. You posted, "Railroads are mostly the past." I responded, "Dagny disagrees."

Assuming you are some cave dweller who hasn't read the most influential book in the US after the Bible, I would think you would Google "railroad" and "Dagny".

I did, and the answer can be found on any of the first 10 pages of Google.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-07-02   10:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: misterwhite (#15)

As I thought. Your knowledge of libertarianism is mostly limited to those stupid Ayn Rand books.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-02   10:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Tooconservative (#16)

Your knowledge of libertarianism is mostly limited to those stupid Ayn Rand books.

I make a joke about trains and you conclude I'm incorrectly critiquing Libertarianism?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-07-02   11:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#17)

This thread was a waste of time.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-02   15:37:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Tooconservative (#18)

This thread was a waste of time.

As was that post.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-07-02   16:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: continental op, A K A Stone (#12)

Who let this obvious disruption troll in here?

This cocksucker doesn’t get 1st amendment protections on a private forum... and certainly doesn’t espouse that ideology unless it’s to disrupt with.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-02   19:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: GrandIsland (#20)

I am an LF founding father You are a newby

Kneel

continental op  posted on  2018-07-02   22:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GrandIsland, continental op, A K A Stone (#20)

Who let this obvious disruption troll in here?

This cocksucker doesn’t get 1st amendment protections on a private forum... and certainly doesn’t espouse that ideology unless it’s to disrupt with.

My guess he is Bucky being yukon.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-02   22:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Gatlin (#22)

Stone knows who I am

Kneel

continental op  posted on  2018-07-02   22:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Gatlin, GrandIsland, continental op, A K A Stone, Deckard, Fred Mertz (#22)

My guess he is Bucky [sic: buckeroo] being yukon.

Are you a wagering man? And why didn't you have the personal decency to ping me to your silly & stupid, "guess."

buckeroo  posted on  2018-07-02   22:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: continental op, tater (#23)

tater only knows how to make french frys; you know, skin the potatoe and sit on a wooden, whiskey barrel making cuts into the starch, while he wishes for a new world order.

Other than that, he can not perform to any request.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-07-02   23:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#24)

Tater thinks you are a homo from Alaska who ingests Sterno??

tater ain't right.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-07-02   23:16:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Fred Mertz, tater (#26)

tater ain't right.

tater started out with a fine family upbringing and then went "dark" based on the synthesis of his posts that I have read. BTW, I don't follow him or anyone on LF, as I don't have time because of professional commitments.

And all of sudden, and out of the blue, tater claims I am "yukon." Does he have "proof" or otherwise described, as "objective evidence?"

Nope. tater linked upped with "yukon" on LP. They thought they could persuade posters on LP about their militant, silly regimen. There is evidence on old LP posts where they linked upped in both Arizona and Alaska.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-07-02   23:30:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo continental op, GrandIsland, A K A Stone, Deckard, Fred Mertz (#24)

Are you a wagering man?
I don’t believe in hunches. Hunches are for dogs making love.
And why didn't you have the personal decency to ping me to your silly & stupid, "guess."
Why do I need to ping you when you stalk my posts and dwell on my every word?

You just proved this to be true since you immediately responded to a post of mine where I did not ping you. Everyone can easily see that I only pinged continental op and not you. He responded to me at 22:56:42 ET and you posted to me ONE minute later at 22:57:48 ET when neither of us had pinged you.

Gotcha ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-03   6:17:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: continental op (#23)

Stone knows who I am
So ???

With no period at the end, that is an incomplete sentence.

Sentence fragments are a common mistake.

Do you find that you make a lot of common mistakes in life?

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-03   6:28:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: continental op (#21)

Yes I know your screen name. You've been gone a whole. On your return you are acting a bit different. Chill out.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-07-03   6:39:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: buckeroo (#27) (Edited)

And all of sudden, and out of the blue, tater claims I am "yukon."
I never “claimed” you were yukon. I said I thought continental op is Bucky “being” yukon. Being is defined in the dictionary as the nature or essence of a person.

There can be no question that continental op has the “nature or essence” of yukon with his disruptive posting of provoking cutting-edge inconsequential quips.

Does he have "proof" or otherwise described, as "objective evidence?"
I cannot prove who you are but you can prove who you aren’t. You can either prove that you are or that you are not continental op. Mox nix to me...either way works for me.

Or you can just let the status quo ride and I can go on believing that you and continental op are the same....and others may also either believe that, or begin to believe it.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-03   7:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#30)

Yes I know your screen name. You've been gone a whole. On your return you are acting a bit different. Chill out.

Thank you

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-03   7:37:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: buckeroo (#27) (Edited)

Does he have "proof" or otherwise described, as "objective evidence?"
Objective evidence refers to information that can be proved by means of search like analysis, measurement, and observation.

I have done that and I will now present the “seach like analysis” and “observation.”

I begin by saying that you will of course remember when you once bragged to me that you could show ISPs on your posts to be from any place you chose. I know you can do that because I, and others here, can do the same with proxy ISPs. You also stated that you had planted a great number of screen names on LF and you could recall the use of them any time you desire. I believe that to be evidently factual since over a period of time I have “observed” the use of a number of different screen names “reborn” after a long absence to indicate you are exercising this option.

Each time I see a screen name appear that I don’t know or have not seen a post from over a long time period I immediately do a “search analysis” by entering that screen name in the Screen Name Search From block to check it out. When I see a screen name return to posting after a very long time, I immediately suspect that it is you again posting under yet another of your many bogus screen names....the one you bragged about planting here.

I usually don’t say anything when I see you “rebirth” a screen name and let it ride because the remarks under the returning screen name properly fit into the ongoing conversations generally and it makes LF look good by having a greater number of posters participating on LF.

However, when continental op returned on 2018-06-24 after last posting on 2011-10-10. I naturally thought of you bragging that you have planted a great number of screen names on LF that you can reuse any time you wish.

I would have let this rebirth of the “continental op’s” dormant screen name pass by me again except this time continental op appeared to obviously be you as evidenced by your extremely disruptive manner attacking other posters with whom you have confronted as “buckeroo.”

I wanted to wait before posting to you since I wanted to watch you continue to make an ass of yourself for a while. I did, you did and now we are finished here.

BTW – You can tell Fred I see that he took me off bozo. Never mind, he can now read this. Hi, Fred.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-03   8:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: continental op, fred mertz (#33)

If you are interested in reading some bizarre BS, get a load of the post, just above, authored by tater.

It is out of its friggin' mind.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-07-04   8:56:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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