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Title: SCOTUS ruling on Janus is about to change the American political landscape [involuntary union dues]
Source: HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2018/06 ... -american-political-landscape/
Published: Jun 27, 2018
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2018-06-27 11:45:13 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 5401
Comments: 44

Justice Alito wrote the decision and it followed along with the expectations of those who watched the case play out before the court. Also as expected, this was a 5-4 decision, split along partisan lines. At the heart of Janus was the question of whether or not unions can forcibly extract dues from workers’ paychecks without the worker proactively volunteering to contribute. In parallel to that, the court had to determine whether or not those extracted fees, being put toward lobbying efforts, constituted involuntary political speech on the part of the worker. The ruling answers both questions definitively.

You can read the full decision here but I’ve extracted a couple of the key points from the syllabus. First is the issue of whether the previous ruling in Abood (which went in the unions’ favor) erred in allowing the forcible extraction of dues. Alito leaves no room for doubt.
The State’s extraction of agency fees from nonconsenting public sector employees violates the First Amendment. Abood erred in concluding otherwise, and stare decisis cannot support it. Abood is therefore overruled.

The second question was the one about subsidizing the speech of others when it runs contrary to your personal beliefs. Again, Alito is definitive.
Forcing free and independent individuals to endorse ideas they find objectionable raises serious First Amendment concerns. E.g., West Virginia Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette, 319 U. S. 624, 633. That includes compelling a person to subsidize the speech of other private speakers.

A union official, Paul Shearon, the IFPTE Secretary-Treasurer, put out an immediate statement saying that this was based on, “a bogus free speech argument.” He went on to say that the justices voting in the majority “are little better than political hacks.” That was followed up by a threat to take it to the streets.
In the short run, the Janus decision may hurt some unions financially, but in the long run it will serve to make unions and their members more militant and force a stronger culture of internal organizing. The recent statewide teacher strikes demonstrate that when public sector workers face limitations on their bargaining rights they take their case to the streets.

This is going to send shockwaves through not just the unions, but the Democratic Party at large. The amount of money that the unions flush into Democratic coffers every year is likely more than most of you imagine. This was a point being driven home in advance of the decision by Hugh Hewitt this morning. He was reminding everyone precisely what this decision was going to mean to the unions if it went against them.
Now 3 hours. Very few political reporters seem to understand the stakes here but it is hundreds of millions of dollars of coerced contributions to Democrats and initiatives that dries up instantly if Janus prevails. https://t.co/IigA0isQC3

— Hugh Hewitt (@hughhewitt) June 27, 2018

How important is the Janus v AFSMCE decision today? Take a look at this chart: https://t.co/oh35fCuRbS Most of that money for Democrats and liberal causes dries up, overnight, if Janus prevails.

— Hugh Hewitt (@hughhewitt) June 27, 2018

Liberals have been bracing for this result for a while now. Back in February, the WaPo seemed to see the writing on the wall here and tried suggesting a “compromise” where the unions could collect a smaller amount of money for a more “focused purpose.” This is a silly suggestion, of course, since money is fungible. Even if the collected dues are narrowly applied to a different purpose, that simply frees up funds to be moved over to political activism. (Which is the majority of the business the unions engage in to begin with.)

Democrats were predicting a “fiscal crisis” if Janus prevailed. (Of course, it’s primarily just a fiscal crisis for the unions.) How serious that crisis becomes won’t be known for some time. But the important point is that a new precedent has been set and workers are still free to join unions or make voluntary, proactive payments to them if they feel it’s a worthy cause. But the unions will no longer be able to reach into their pockets without permission.

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#6. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Great news!

Democrats were predicting a “fiscal crisis” if Janus prevailed. (Of course, it’s primarily just a fiscal crisis for the unions.)

Exactly. But as is their wont, Democrat-Communist "predictions" are just thinly veiled mob-action threats, anarchy, and targeting Constitutionalists, capitalists, and American nationalists.

How serious that crisis becomes won’t be known for some time.

I believe the "crisis" will manifest itself in the usual "Resistance"/SEIU manner of threats, extortion, blackmail, assaults, and...murder. All justified and encouraged by the usual suspects -- Leftist MSM, TV Puppets, and organized Social/Communitah Media.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-27   13:13:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Liberator (#6) (Edited)

Supreme Court rules in favor of non-union workers who are now, as an example, able to support a candidate of his or her choice without having those who control the Union deciding for them. Big loss for the coffers of the Democrats!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 27, 2018

It's just not as much fun until Trump shows up on Twitter with one of his trademark nanny-nanny-boo-boo wisecracks from the cheap seats.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-27   13:34:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Tooconservative (#7) (Edited)

...One of [Trump's] trademark nanny-nanny-boo-boo wisecracks from the cheap seats.

HEH...

True.

It's almost as though Trump...is one of us :-)

But let's face it -- 0bama started this "nanny-nanny-boo-hoo" war of tweaking the other side. Yes, 0bama obviously did it, only in his own smug, smarmy, smirking "FU YOU, CONSERVATIVES!" way. And who can forget his arrogant "mic-drop" on a talk show as he tried to punk Trump, "At least I'm President -- something you'll never be".?

When Trump engages in HIS one-upsmanship against what is a massive army of Leftists, its as a frontal assault. He really weaponizes Twitter like a nuke. Hard not to appreciate the Schadenfreude Factor as smashes the Left (and 0bama indirectly) in its maw.

They aren't used to losing at all or getting pwned. Hence the tantrums.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-27   13:58:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Liberator (#11)

El Donaldo was really on a roll today.

“Wow! Big Trump Hater Congressman Joe Crowley, who many expected was going to take Nancy Pelosi’s place, just LOST his primary election,” the president said on Twitter. “In other words, he’s out! That is a big one that nobody saw happening. Perhaps he should have been nicer, and more respectful, to his President!”

See, that no-goodnik should have been nicer and more respectful to his President Godfather.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-27   20:20:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative (#16) (Edited)

I really like the way that President Trump kicks his newly-defeated opponents right in the head.
A few more years like this might just make up for at least one Bush.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2018-06-27   20:36:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Hank Rearden (#18)

He loves that stuff. He had several good Tweet zingers today, a sure sign that he's happy.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-27   20:52:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Tooconservative, Hank Rearden (#19)

He had several good Tweet zingers today, a sure sign that he's happy.

Trump has been great at these rallies he has been doing. At Fargo, ND he said,

"One of my biggest critics, a slovenly man named Joe Crowley, got his ass kicked by a young woman who had a lot of energy."

Imagine the Democrats trying to do a rally like Trump does. Who would be their headliner? Nancy Pelosi? Maxine Waters? Chuck Schumer? Adam Schiff? Debbie Wasserman Schultz? Hillary Clinton? Tim Kaine? Who have they got?

nolu chan  posted on  2018-06-28   1:55:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: nolu chan (#20)

"One of my biggest critics, a slovenly man named Joe Crowley, got his ass kicked by a young woman who had a lot of energy."

That District has a poverty rate of almost 20% so I can see why she won, by promising more freebies.

CZ82  posted on  2018-06-28   7:52:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: CZ82 (#26)

That District has a poverty rate of almost 20% so I can see why she won, by promising more freebies.

For all the brouhaha about this district, it was still mostly a white Irish working class neighborhood 20 years ago. And Crowley was an Irish Dem pol, a natural fit. Now the district is a majority Hispanic district.

It may be as simple as an energetic Hispanic woman managed to Hispander her way to a primary win in a majority-Hispanic district, which amounts to winning the seat in the fall election.

This result cannot be too comforting to all the old white Dems in Congress, especially in the Senate. The BernieComs have shook them up a bit.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-28   9:38:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Tooconservative (#27)

It may be as simple as an energetic Hispanic woman managed to Hispander her way to a primary win in a majority-Hispanic district, which amounts to winning the seat in the fall election.

Si, se puede.

The blacks were put onto the Democratic plantation, but the Hispanics are going to take it over.

And that will make for a very different party than a white liberal party with minority black cheerleading.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-06-28   18:21:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Vicomte13, CZ82 (#28)

And that will make for a very different party than a white liberal party with minority black cheerleading.

I saw a prominent Congressional Black Caucus member, talking about how the end result of all these racially-adjusted districts that gave rise to so many black congressmen has had the effect of making the Dem party represented almost exclusively by blacks with very few remaining white Dems, especially white male Dems.

He made it sound kinda like a KKK plot or something. I thought he was pretty astute, can't recall who it was or I'd post his video. He could see what the racially-motivated districting has done to the Dem party strategically. Like it was all so shocking for him to discover he was living on a plantation after all.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-28   21:59:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Tooconservative (#29) (Edited)

The black-white thing in America is slowly decaying away, not because of resolution, but because of the pill, Roe, the open Border, and Latin fecundity.

A Latin-dominated Democrat Party will sound a lot more like me than the current self- sterilizing black-white plantation.

The blacks could be dominated because they were always an internal minority needing allies, without an ancient and enduring world view.

But the Hispanics cannot be dominated by whites or blacks, and they have a distinctively Catholic social character. The least pro-choice major ethnic group in America is Latinos.

With a Hispanic-dominated Democrat party you could very well see the sort of political grand compromise I would like to see.

In any case, it's inevitable, so we really will see in time.

What isn't going to happen is the simple assimilation of Hispanics into America, with them adopting white culture wholecloth. They have a different outlook on family, on reproduction, on sexual morality, and that will express itself politically. They won't turn into liberal whites.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-06-29   5:48:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Vicomte13 (#30)

But the Hispanics cannot be dominated by whites or blacks, and they have a distinctively Catholic social character. The least pro-choice major ethnic group in America is Latinos.

I don't believe that's true now, even if it once was. Latin America has gone ex-Catholic, much as Europe has.

You're living in the past, dude.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-29   6:38:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Tooconservative (#31)

I don't believe that's true now, even if it once was. Latin America has gone ex-Catholic, much as Europe has.

You're living in the past, dude.

You don't believe it, but I'm looking at the poll numbers.

Latinos are hardly a monolithic bloc, but they are 10 points more pro-life than the white population.

Latin America is entirely composed of democracies, with one exception), and they all (except for the one exception) have much more restrictive abortion laws than here.

No, Hispanics are not 1950s Catholics. But then, in the 1950s they weren't 1950s American-style Catholics either.

But no, the Latinos do not simply turn into whites in America. Nor do they turn into Blacks. They have their own identifiable set of socio-political values - and those values skew a lot more along the lines that I speak of all of time - which is unsurprising.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-06-29   8:27:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Vicomte13 (#32)

But no, the Latinos do not simply turn into whites in America.

Yes, they do. I'm not sure why you are in denial. That is the essence of the melting pot: eventually, everyone is white in America. Italians and Greeks are white. So are Jews. These were not considered "white" even twenty years ago. Even if they are some darker flavor of "white" and avoid sun exposure to "pass".

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-29   8:43:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Tooconservative (#34) (Edited)

To get more specific, the Latinos are to white Americans what Latin Europeans are to Germanics.

Latin Europeans consider themselves to be morally superior and more cultured than Germanics. They acknowledge that the Nords work hard and are good with money, but think of them has having dull, grey, overworked lives and various psychological dysfunctions. Latins consider themselves to be nicer people than Germanics.

The same is true between Anglos and Hispanics in America.

It is the difference between the English and Spanish Empires of old. Their views of each other were as hostile as Democrats and Republicans, and like Democrats and Republcans, each really believed (and believes) themselves to really, truly be the good guys.

Hispanics think they're the good guys. Anglos think they are. I am of both cultures - Latin (not Latino) - and I walk the wire between them. But in the end I would much rather live in Paris, or Rome, or Barcelona, or Lisbon, than London or Frankfurt or Berlin. Latin culture is better than Germanic culture. Latin food is better. Latin music is better. Latin life is better.

"Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, there's laughter there and good red wine, or I have always found it so. Benedicamos Domino!"

Also, the sexual culture of the Latin world - the whole mindset - is FAR superior to that of the twisted and guilt-ridden Germanic world. You go to Cannes to have an affair. You go to Soho to get pissed on.

The Germanics work hard and therefore have money. But the French, Italians and Spanish have money too.

Latinos, of course, are not simply Latins, they're also Indians, which adds other cultural elements (namely, a different form of female power - more real, and to a degree vicious, than in traditional European society).

Pure Anglo society is found in the dirt poor hillbilly backcountry of Arkansas or Kentucky. Pure Latino society is found in the barrios of San Diego or the Imperial Valley farming towns. Latinos don't turn into hillbillies. It's just not true. They don't assimilate in that way to the core culture.

Given the choice, you would probably choose to live in the snakehandling Arkansas backcountry, because you have a closer real kinship in belief and base sentiment and cultural reference to those folks at the bottom of the culture. I look like a Swede, but I would choose the barrio, for exactly the same reasons that you would choose the hillbilly backcountry.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-06-29   9:18:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Vicomte13 (#36)

I don't like hillbillies. Just one of many assumptions you make without any facts to back them up.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-29   9:21:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Tooconservative (#37) (Edited)

If you had a choice between living in a shack in the Arkansas backcountry with the hilbillies or living in the Imperial Valiey colonias with the chollos, which would you do?

This is the cultural reference Rorschak.

It's a no brainer for both of us, and we're not going to be living in the same place.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-06-29   9:27:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Vicomte13 (#38)

If you had a choice between living in a shack in the Arkansas backcountry with the hilbillies or living in the Imperial Valiey colonias with the chollos, which would you do?

Neither. It's a false hypothetical. Neither will happen.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-29   9:36:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Tooconservative (#39)

Neither. It's a false hypothetical. Neither will happen.

If I had a job for you right now - a dream job at high pay with perks - and you wanted it, I would put that question before you and tell you that you had to answer it if you wanted the job.

Then you could walk away from the job, or just answer it and be done with it.

I would live with the chollos.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-06-29   10:25:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Vicomte13 (#41)

But I don't want to work for you. Only an asshole employer would ask such questions.

And this is off-topic. The thread was about Janus, a landmark ruling that will pull the fangs of the labor unions, especially government unions.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-29   10:49:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Tooconservative (#42)

Good ruling, Janus.

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