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Title: TOP 3 BEST DEBUT ROCK ALBUMS EVER
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Published: Jun 25, 2018
Author: YOUR OPINION
Post Date: 2018-06-25 17:47:16 by Liberator
Keywords: MUSIC, ALBUMS, EXTINCT-ART
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Fully subjective of course, but most of us (loosely the Baby-Boomer Generation) have grown up listening to the best music this culture has been able to offer -- namely from the 50s-late 80s. We more than other generation were able to fully gauge, critique and appreciate each era and genre fully with a discriminating ear. For the sake of this exercise of opinion, the premise and challenge is, "BEST 3 DEBUT ALBUMS". The stiffest competition would actually be between the 70s and 80s. Rock Music (as a viable "Pop Music" genre died in the 20th Century. ergo, RIP, 1955-1999 Other categories worthy of discussion might be: "Best Overall Album" Poster Comment: Given the 1950s were mostly a decade of singles as were much of the 60s, they are numerically at a disadvantage. I would give the nod to the 1970s as by far the best decade for album themed music. It combined the best of production value, technology resources, and conscious decision by record companies to produce "theme" albums. Often artists and groups would be embarrassed to include "filler". I'm going to cheat and submit 5 Top Debut Albums (in chronological order): 1) Chicago (Transit Authority, 1970) Sure there were others, BUT...
"Best Back-to-Back Albums"
"Best Compilation"
"Best Singles-Machine"
2) Derek and the Dominoes (Layla, 1972)
3) Bad Company (Bad Company, 1974)
4) Boston (1976)
5) Foreigner (1977)
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#41. To: sneakypete, Jameson (#23)
Which pretty much describes why none of their crap is even semi-good. Took longer than usual for the thread to deteriorate into a "your music sucks" thread.
I agree with some aspects of your statement - however I don't believe that listenable rock music died in 1987. It was just moved to the back burner so to speak. Radio stations became more corporate controlled, many if not most of them got their playlists from central control and at that time a lot of stations were getting rid of local DJ's and relying on a more cookie cutter approach. The good music has always been there - it just became more difficult to find stations that played it ...what Disco *did* do is prove to the corporate Music Industry and Record Producers that the quality musicianship and what makes "good music" was far less important than the packaging, The "Disco Era" was a turning point in music, definitely a low point in musical history, but it did induce a backlash of sorts. The punk-rock scene developed at about that time - Sex Pistols, The Clash, Elvis Costello, The Jam - all of those bands and others created some great music in spite of disco being the dominant music genre at the time. I think there will always be great, tuneful music, harmonies, melodies, musicians with great instrumental prowess and in a lot of ways there is even more than there has been in the past with the internet allowing any band to get their music out to the listeners, bypassing the control of record labels. The downside is that there is so much music available now that it's sometimes difficult to find what you like. HOW in the world did vulgar Ghetto Rap and female yodeling of "empowerment" whinefest anthems ever wind up the default "music" of pop culture for the last 25 years? I read this article a number of years ago - it provides one theory as to why - take it with a grain of salt. "The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation" Interesting stuff. HOW did Rap, wimpy male emo whining, and female yodeling and yapping EVER wind up displacing varied genres of pleasing music compositions, inspirational lyrics, swaying rhythms and sweet vocal and instrumental chords of the 50s-80s -- as well as its soulful, sunny harmonies? My theory on that - especially the use of auto-tone to make the vocals on many songs sound robotic: The Transhumanist agenda Transhumanism, a strange agglomeration of technology, politics, and even aspects of religion. The Transhumanist view of the future features a fully mechanized simulacrum of society teeming with visible and invisible robots and robotic functions that will engineer the minutia of life at every turn, presumably to make life easier and more fulfilling.
You could be right. Ginger Baker has been a crazed, belligerent lunatic for 50 years. "Beware of Mr. Baker" looks interesting. (Or depressing, depending on your mood.) Trailer: Check out this Rolling Stone story fr0m 2009 (a South Africanthe guy is STILL alive today somehow): https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-devil-and-ginger-baker-20090820 'The Devil and Ginger Baker' Inside a gated compound in South Africa, one of rock's most legendary drummers is still making enemies Excerpt: As the drug takes effect, his tanned, weather-beaten face contracts and his vivid blue eyes go wide. His girlfriend, Kudzai, a beautiful 27-year-old from Zimbabwe he met on the Internet, hovers over him counting out his daily handful of antidepressants, stomach pills and painkillers. "What are you looking at, Yankee!" Baker barks at me, his voice cutting through the silence like an animal shriek. Now that the morphine is running strong, he pops up out of his chair with the nervous energy of a teenager, but still he walks like a creaky old man.... Over the course of his life, during which he's raced bicycles and played polo, Baker has broken most of his ribs, mangled one of his arms and had his front teeth smashed in. He was recently diagnosed with a degenerative spine condition and the onset of emphysema. "God is punishing me for my past wickedness by keeping me alive and in as much pain as he can," Baker says bitterly. Ginger Baker. He's been blessed than more than 99% of the population. Despite that the guy smoked like a chimney; Been a heroine addict for 50 years; Was reckless and rebellious and willfully disrespected his own body his entire life. Now it's all God's fault? You wonder how the "Counselors" of the "Newton Model" would handle the case Ginger Baker. I'd imagine Baker's when his number was called, it would cause even that unlucky "team" to scatter ;-)
Pretty much describes every great drummer.
I recall the anticipation of Boston's second album. Side One of the album was a good as anything on the debut Boston album. Side 2 was a different story to me. It was turrible filler. Even Tom Scholtz conceded that knew it was pretty bad and was embarrassed by it. He felt rushed to submit the album to the record company before he was ready. Maybe if had had more time...
Pretty much describes every great drummer. True to a large degree, ain't it? On the otherhand Drummers seem to be either crazy OR the stabilizing factor. Examples off the top of my head: Ringo, Charlie Watts, John Densmore (Doors).
GREAT debut album by Meatloaf -- A definite Top Debut Album. Came out of the chute like absolute gangbusters. Like Boston, it seemed to be one of those albums that was its own genre. Arguably THE "Album of the Summer of 1978". But yeah, "Two out of three ain't bad" was waaay overplayed, ruining it to a degree. FWIW, the intro to 'Bat Out Of Hell' is a Top 3 Best intro to any song.
I understand Tom Scholz was an engineer at MIT and personally developed some of the electronics used for his guitar. Regardless of how it was done, the clean sounding electric guitar sound on their album was certainly was a new thing in the industry. Glad I wasn't alone on that choice. Seemed like an obvious one... Yup, Scholtz was an MIT engineer/nerd who did develop that totally unique guitar effect. I also appreciated that clean, note-holding tone. Scholtz even marketed his electronic effect commercially as other bands also wound up usingit. He's *still* selling his doohickey for those who play electric guitar.
Might I suggest 5 Favorite debut Rock Albums - there is no way to quantify best...in no particular order: Everyone's ear is what it is, right? THAT said: 5. Ramones - Ramones - Kicked the door down for a generation of punk rockers 4. Queen - Queen - Lyrics, melodies and Brian May 3. AC/DC – High Voltage - Speaks for itself 2. Rush – Rush - You cannot get better quality rock from 3 musicians 1. Bruce Springsteen - Greetings From Asbury Park - The Boss put the Jersey Shore sound on the table - still rocking 40 yearson....
I doubt many here have listened to any Fats Domino albums. But he was a R&R force and trailblazer, no doubt. Many of his chord progressions were adapted and copied decades later.
Not only was he a nitpicking PITA, but pparently Scholtz was also an egomaniac with no sense of loyalty either (for all his brilliance. That album cover of all the band members? Mostly a band-in-name and only show for the record company. Even though the band members were great musicians, Scholtz was greedy and didn't want to share the "glory". Scholtz was said to have recorded that first album (as well as most instruments) all by himself in his basement. Brad Delp's vocals could NOT be duplicated of course.
Lol...that might have been the type of humor from my old gang once upon a time. Now even *I* know that was said in least HALF tongue-in-cheek. When hanging out on the front porch we'd even get to the point where everyone's parents (no matter how nice they were) were targets of good-natured but biting derision. (I guess that's just NY/NJ/Philly-type humor.)
It's up there. May be the LAST BEST Debut Album ever.
It's not a Debut Album. You mean Top 5 overall?
Frampton released a few albums before "Alive!". But it was epic at the time. That album -- during the Summer of 1976 you couldn't avoid hearing it playing somewhere. One of those few albums that cut across nearly all demos of people. Well...maybe not the Soul Train demo.
And "Is dated now" doesn't mean squat. We are talking about DEBUT albums,and the impact that they had. Hear ya. That Boston album hit like a nuke. Still nothing like it since. There are "great" debut albums, then there are albums that sound like they were composed in a different era, on a different planet. Few are in that category. AND...if nothing still doesn't sound like it, IS it really "dated"? I can't remember which one it was off the top of my head at the moment,but whichever one was the first Allman Brother Band Album has to be right up there,too.
It's da blues,man. That first Allman Bros album was blues to the max. Yuu can clearly hear their influence in the Derek and the Dominoes album. Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon won't ever go out of print.
See post #35 for a YouTube link to the full doc about Ginger Baker (I think; I skimmed it, it played and it's the right length). And it's still available on Netflix as of today - better there, with full video/audio quality.
I guess I can't let this thread age out without a nod to George Thorogood and the Destroyers. I was in radio through the middle of the '70s (Disco Sucks!) and knew the band casually, back when they still called themselves The Delaware Destroyers. That was, and is, one kick-ass good-time bar band gone bigtime kick-ass good-time band. I guess Journey is somewhere down the list, too; good band in the earlier years. Got my one-and-only coke bump from Neal Schon. As long as I'm namedropping, I also got the worst case of the flu in my life from Debbie Harry (yeah, she really was that hot) and probably caught contact emphysema (no symptoms to date, fortunately) from Tom Waits.
The summer of 1978 was a great time for music. Remember "City to City" by Gerry Rafferty and that classic saxophone riff on "Baker Street"?
The Ramones -- gotta be in the mood for it. It all sounds the same. The Ramones: The Pork Rinds or Scrapple of Rock & Roll. The R&R HoF and its owners are a joke, needless to say. The thing with the R&R HoF is that they seem to especially revel in "edgy", in mediocre New Wave/Punk artists, bands and music that AT the time (25-35 years ago) were considered out-of-mainstream, amusing side-shows and curiosities. Yes, like The Ramones, Joan Jett, and (are you kidding me??) the Sex Pistols. ALL 3 IN THE HALL OF FAME. SOMEHOW, the idiots who run the R&R HoF got away with anointing themselves the Supreme Court of Music (sorta like how the SPLC anointed themselves Supreme Court of "Morality" and "Tolerance". And for SOME odd reason their "license" to be "Arbitor-of-Morality" is never revoked and themselves tossed into the Dungeon where they belong). But I digress...sorry. Isn't the R&R Hall of Fame just a fake grading system that validates crap, semi-crap and Grade D+ mediocrity as an exercise in false memory and yes, an anti-consensus of opinion? One of its primary criteria seems to be in to elevating style over substance. Not coincidentally, during the past 5-6 years REAL legendary bands have been getting inducted, only because of public outcry. Anyhoo, THIS HoF process of inducting crummy bands from the 70s & 80s has been a good example of "The Mandela Effect" and advancing false memories. At the time acts like Punk were especially FRINGE. Their musical skills were sloppy at best, necessitating LOUDNESS to compensate for the lack of artistry and professionalism. Guess who hasn't made the R&R Hall of Fame? The Guess Who. Boston. Foreigner. Bad Company. The Doobie Bros. Chubby Checker. Pat Benatar. Dick Dale. Tommy James. Carole King. Four Seasons. The Monkees (YES -- THE MONKEES!).
Nice...thanks. Missed your link the first go round. I will definitely watch the full Ginger Baker doc in its entirety when I can. I don't get Netflix. And it I had I'd drop it since they gave 0bama a license to produce his propaganda there.
I actually heard a few disco songs I liked. Sometimes I wonder if that makes me a latent fag.
I'd think twice myself, probably, but will relish the chance to thumbs-down Odumbass's bullshit. I share off my Dad's Netflix account. He shares my Amazon Video account in return. Believe it or not, that's perfectly fine with both companies, so I get two for the price of one. I killed cable TV over four years ago, so those two plus YouTube are 95% of my TV content, via my Roku box. And I'm spending 80% of my time on YouTube; there is a tremendous wealth of really quality content out there besides the cat videos. I've learned so much and laughed a lot, while finding Russian car crashes endlessly entertaining. Loved the one where after being rear-ended, some Russian thug got out with a hand axe, smashed out the offending driver's window, then returned to his car, dropped the axe, picked up a pistol and shot twice into the guy's radiator. This all happened in broad daylight at a red light intersection, all caught on dashcam, along with the thug's girlfriend standing alongside his car observing and cheering the action. Crazy Ivan, indeed. And this is no shit; I can provide a link upon request.
If you can't watch soon, I recommend snagging a (free) YouTube downloader utility to put the video on your hard drive - I was surprised to find it on YT and unless authorized, these things have a habit of eventually disappearing without notice.
I actually heard a few disco songs I liked. Sometimes I wonder if that makes me a latent fag.
Not to mention the great Judas Priest isn't there yet either
I think his point was that it was Brian Johnson's debut album with AC DC
You mean Top 5 overall? Yes. That sucker was a top seller...and was really Brian Johnson’s “debut” album.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Not really. Punk Rock is like Rap. It's not music. It's adult children desperate for attention making noise.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I think he was trying to stand on the shoulders of Emerson,Lake,and Palmer. Same kinda stuff,and done so well even live that it was almost scary.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
He was an interesting musician and man.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
If Link Wray and Dick Dale ain't in it,the place needs to be burned to the ground for insulting the world.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Me too,but they all seemed to be by the BeeGee's. Guys who had actual talent. I have said it before,and I will say it again today,it was Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band (that tall skinny black chick that played the sax was enough reason to buy a ticket to see them) that reminded the radio audiences of what REAL music sounded like.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I understand your facetiousness, and I never knew of this guy before today, but would hardly characterize him as being "blessed". I certainly wouldn't change places with him, at least. As for it being "God's fault" I don't necessarily see him casting any blame on God for his situation. Seems to me he's blaming himself. Which he probably should.
Scared the shit out of me, man! Fortunately, TW's still on this side of the grass. When he goes, it'll be hard to pick which are the most melancholy of his tracks to play that night.
YeahYeahYeah! Link and Dick rule. Robert Gordon's rockabilly stuff with Wray is a keeper too.
Buuuuuuuuutttt - you've heard of Cream and Blind Faith, right?
One of my favorite songs ever was "Still the Same," also from that great summer of music in 1978.
He did blame himself...and also blamed "God" for "punishing" him for allowing him to "suffer". ...But [I] would hardly characterize him as being "blessed". No?? The guy was blessed with good health and physical attractiveness; the extraordinary gift of the art of drumming; liberty and freedom to do as he pleased in this life; been saved by high-tech medical science (and pleased by it); Lives on almost 300 acres, had 4 wives, and has been blessed with wealth. From what I've read and know from reading about Ginger Baker, the only way he's NOT been "blessed" is via his own self-inflicted rebellious hand and bad judgement. No, I would not want to trade places with him NOW...or frankly, most sickly, bitter, nasty mad-at-the-world malcontents. To me, that whole "trading places" thing isn't to be taken all that seriously anyway -- it's more of a temporary challenge, a "game" we'd play back when. There are only ONE respective Pinguinite and one Liberator mold made. (Even if you believe you make an "encore appearance", you'd still not be "Pinguinite").
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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
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#42. To: Liberator (#3)
Often I have stated as my subjective opinion that ubiquitous, widely listenable Rock Music died in by the late 80s. 1987 to be exact. The reasons for this are many. SOME say it died with the advent of Disco (c. 1974-1975).
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#43. To: Hank Rearden, Pinguinite, A K A Stone (#7)
I'll see you, and raise you "Beware of Mr. Baker" on Netflix or wherever.
"F**kin' hell!" Ginger Baker shouts at the South African sunrise. His ritual morning curse complete, the 69-year-old drummer for Cream takes a deep pull on his morphine inhaler and throws his body back into the leather recliner where he spends the majority of his days.
#44. To: Liberator, Hank Rearden, Pinguinite, A K A Stone (#43)
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You could be right. Ginger Baker has been a crazed, belligerent lunatic...
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#45. To: no gnu taxes, Hank Rearden (#8)
Boston's second album was arguably better than the first.
#46. To: Deckard (#44)
(crazed, belligerent lunatic...)
#47. To: no gnu taxes (#13)
That kind of reminds me of Meatloaf's "Two out of three ain't bad" in 1978. It was played 3 times an hour on any radio station you tuned in to. I liked it at first but grew sick of it by the end of the summer.
#48. To: Pinguinite (#14)
I was going to suggest Boston as well.
#49. To: Jameson (#15)
Make that a garage door. The Ramones gave hope to every crummy teenage Garage Band who thought they were good enough to "make it". Mostly style over substance, a caricature. At the time, a wannabe. Nostalgia has created the legend.
Brian May and his guitar was the best thing about Queen. That debut album gave a false hope of their "rock" future as Freddy Mercury took the band namesake literally as he transformed the band's sound into one giant Broadway effete showtune. If not for Wayne's World, Queen would have remained an embarrassing footnote representing "Fruit-Rock".
A legit heavy rock album
The irony is that Rush were 3 great musicians. Problem was their lack of composition skills. For a band who produced so many albums, the further irony was that rarely did they ever compose anything that flowed, was harmonious, and was epic or catchy. I found the vocals to be annoying. The band's most popular track (arguably), 'Tom Sawyer' to be too pretentious. Rush tried too hard to blend too many different styles and riffs (progressive, jazz, hard rock, emotional lyrics) into one song.
Good effort by Springsteen. Nice debut album. His band's second album ('The Wild, Innocent & E. Street Shuffle') would have been a Top 7 Debut Album (IMO). Bruce hasn't cut a good album since 1984. That's nearly 35 years. His live show has always been one of the best.
#50. To: tpaine (#16)
#51. To: Pinguinite, no gnu taxes (#17)
The official band has, in fact, released new albums over the years but they've gone no where. It seems Scholz, for all his engineering genius, was a nitpicking perfectionist to the point of being a PITA...
#52. To: GrandIsland (#18)
How about a few choices in the past 100 Years, you old f**k.
#53. To: A K A Stone, GrandIsland (#1)
Best debut album of all time is Guns n Roses Appetite for destruction. Hands down without a diubt. It is also still the best sellong debut album also.
#54. To: GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#19)
Back in Black (even tho I liked Bonn Scott better than Brian Johnson) also must be included in top 5
#55. To: GrandIsland'A K A Stone (#20)
Peter Framton Comes Alive - Alive would have to be considered too
#56. To: sneakypete (#21)
I agree. It came out of nowhere,and flat took over.
#57. To: sneakypete, Hank Rearden (#22)
They,like most of Pink Floyd's releases,will never go out of print.
#58. To: Liberator (#43)
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Trailer:
#59. To: Liberator (#0)
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#60. To: Liberator (#47)
#61. To: sneakypete, Jameson, Deckard, Hank Rearden, A K A Stone (#23)
5. Ramones - Ramones - Kicked the door down for a generation of punk rockers
Which pretty much describes why none of their crap is even semi-good.
#62. To: Hank Rearden (#58)
#63. To: Hank Rearden (#59)
I was in radio through the middle of the '70s (Disco Sucks!)
#64. To: Liberator (#62)
I don't get Netflix. And it I had I'd drop it since they gave 0bama a license to produce his propaganda there.
#65. To: Liberator (#62)
I will definitely watch the full Ginger Baker doc in its entirety when I can.
#66. To: no gnu taxes (#63)
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I confess..... me too. Same with TSOP. And ELO.
Hard to tell from here; what do you smell like - axle grease or Vaseline?
#67. To: Liberator (#61)
#68. To: Liberator (#54)
#69. To: Liberator (#54)
It's not a Debut Album.
#70. To: Deckard (#41)
Took longer than usual for the thread to deteriorate into a "your music sucks" thread.
#71. To: Liberator (#56)
Hear ya. That Boston album hit like a nuke. Still nothing like it since. There are "great" debut albums, then there are albums that sound like they were composed in a different era, on a different planet. Few are in that category.
#72. To: Hank Rearden (#59)
probably caught contact emphysema (no symptoms to date, fortunately) from Tom Waits.
#73. To: Liberator (#61)
Guess who hasn't made the R&R Hall of Fame? The Guess Who. Boston. Foreigner. Bad Company. The Doobie Bros. Chubby Checker. Pat Benatar. Dick Dale. Tommy James. Carole King. Four Seasons. The Monkees (YES -- THE MONKEES!).
#74. To: no gnu taxes (#63)
I actually heard a few disco songs I liked.
#75. To: Liberator (#43)
Ginger Baker. He's been blessed than more than 99% of the population. Despite that the guy smoked like a chimney; Been a heroine addict for 50 years; Was reckless and rebellious and willfully disrespected his own body his entire life. Now it's all God's fault?
You wonder how the "Counselors" of the "Newton Model" would handle the case Ginger Baker. I'd imagine Baker's when his number was called, it would cause even that unlucky "team" to scatter ;-)
#76. To: sneakypete (#72)
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He was an interesting musician and man.
Ever seen "Seven Psychopaths"? Interesting flick; Waits was good in it. IIRC, the first 2 minutes will spin your head around in the opening scene shot on that famous old Los Angeles overpass.
#77. To: sneakypete (#73)
If Link Wray and Dick Dale ain't in it,the place needs to be burned to the ground for insulting the world.
#78. To: Pinguinite (#75)
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I understand your facetiousness, and I never knew of this guy before today............
If not, hie ye to a tunes site forthwith. No man should reach the end deprived of their issue.
Zounds, I find myself ensnared in Olde English bullshite!
#79. To: sneakypete (#74)
I have said it before,and I will say it again today,it was Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band
#80. To: Pinguinite (#75)
As for it being "God's fault" I don't necessarily see him casting any blame on God for his situation. Seems to me he's blaming himself. Which he probably should.
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