[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Criminal Charges for North Carolina Woman Who Sheltered Pets During Hurricane Florence

enate Democrats Investigate a New Allegation of Sexual Misconduct, from Brett Kavanaugh’s College Years

Russian MoD Presents IL-20 Investigation Results - Israel "Crossed The Line Of Civilized Relations"

We need to talk frankly about our rapid population growth in Africa if we want to beat poverty

Beto O’Rourke: “I Did Not Try To Leave The Scene Of The Accident”

LMFAO 🤣WHEN TRUMPS SPEAKS WE ALL LISTEN ... THIS JIVE A$$ TALKING TURKEY SHADY FOOL IS NOW A HAS BEEN FROM HOPE - CHANGE --- TO NOPE - DERANGED!

BREAKING: Christine Blasey Ford's Female Witness Doesn't Remember Anything

Ron Paul Tells Truth On Syria - Immediately Smeared

Ron Paul Tells Truth On Syria - Immediately Smeared

Ron Paul Tells Truth On Syria - Immediately Smeared

Medea Benjamin Shows America What Real Resistance Looks Like (consistently non-interventionist)

Former Trump Aide Jason Miller Accused of Secretly Administering Abortion Pill

Alex Jones “I’m Ready to Die” - Exclusive Interview After Being Banned

The White House is considering an antitrust investigation into 'online platform bias' at Google and Facebook — read the leaked document here

PayPal Cuts Off Alex Jones’s Infowars

Rosenstein suggested he secretly record Trump and discussed 25th amendment

Chelsea Clinton’s Abortion Claim Sounds Like Something Hitler Might’ve Said

Why Are We in Media Hell?

Trump's "Opposition" Supports All His Evil Agendas While Attacking Fake Nonsense

What Democrats Have Become; Brett Kavanaugh is a casualty of an anything-goes political resistance.

BREAKING: FORMER SCALIA LAW CLERK Drops Pictures and Evidence That Blows Christine Ford’s Case Wide Open

President Trump to North Carolina resident: 'At least you got a nice boat out of the deal'

Censorship and Propaganda in the Gulf War

Former Admitted Groper Cory Booker Says, ‘It Would Be Irresponsible Not To’ Consider 2020 Presidential Run

Laugh of the Day

Three Cheers for Price Gouging During Hurricane Florence

FEMA: Trump administration will send ‘presidential alerts’ to cellphones across America

Young Christine Blasey Ford remembered as popular figure in Dewey Beach bar scene in 1980's

Kavanaugh accuser Christine Blasey Ford's team lays out terms it wants for potential Senate interview, sources say

Are Social Media Companies Banning Because Of What Happens In "Real World"? (Face to Face, not online)

COURT DOCUMENTS: Sherrod Brown’s Ex-Wife Accused Him of Assaulting Her

Trump advised Spain to build wall across Sahara to stop migrants

Republicans may 'compel' testimony from Fusion GPS researcher Nellie Ohr, ex-FBI official James Baker

Pope Francis says the devil is causing people to question the Catholic Church

'Family Values' Senator(R) Sentenced to 15 Years for Child Sex Trafficking and Child Porn

Beto O’Rourke to Black American: Illegal Immigrant Labor Needed for Cotton Gin

Kavanaugh Accuser’s Classmate Backs Off Claim She Heard About Alleged Assault

Grassley Ltr to Feinstein Re UNREDACTED Ltr of Christine Blasey Ford (19 Sep 2018)

Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Warner Write Letter to Rosenstein, Wray Demanding They Withstand Pressure to Violate DOJ and FBI Norms

Huh. Democrats really don’t want those Carter Page FISA docs released

BOMBSHELL: Comey’s FBI said to have kept TWO sets of records regarding ‘Spygate’ operation

FBI, Justice Dept plan to redact Russia documents despite Trump order for full declassification: report

Ex-CIA Chief John Brennan Encourages Deep State to Defy President Trump’s Declassification Order

The SOBs got to Norm Macdonald

We Need to Stop Scapegoating Third-Party Voters

1 Corinthians 11:28-30

City Forced to Abolish Civil Asset Forfeiture and Pay Back Victims the Millions It Stole from Them

Politicians–Not Hurricanes–Ensure Shortages

LEFT WING NEVER TRUMPER Trump's Tariffs Will Cost More Than Obamacare's Taxes

Prince Harry's Friends Reportedly Have an "Issue" with Meghan Markle


Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

U.S. Constitution
See other U.S. Constitution Articles

Title: Lawsuit Argues Honking Your Car Horn Is Protected By The First Amendment
Source: TechDirt
URL Source: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2 ... rotected-first-amendment.shtml
Published: Jun 24, 2018
Author: Tim Cushing
Post Date: 2018-06-24 10:21:38 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 102
Comments: 11

from the #LEGALIZEIT dept

The First Amendment covers a whole lot of area. Since it covers "expression," it doesn't necessarily have to be anything commonly thought of as "speech." It doesn't have to be printed. It doesn't have to be said. Lighting a flag on fire requires no statement of intent. The act itself is expressive enough. Passively gathering information (like recordings or public records) is protected by the First Amendment. Taking photos is a protected act, even if the photos are never used to express anything more than a memory of an event or place.

It has been argued nudity or partially-exposed bodies are expressions deserving of protection by the First Amendment. Exotic dancers and "bikini barristas" have engaged in multiple free speech lawsuits targeting allegedly unconstitutional restrictions on their expressive conduct.

A plaintiff currently suing a sheriff and the head of the California Highway Patrol is arguing that honking a car horn is protected speech and that the citation she received after engaging in this expression is unconstitutional. (via Courthouse News)

Susan Porter was driving by a protest held outside of Rep. Darrell Issa's office. These frequent demonstrations gathered both protesters and counter-protesters, all of who made plenty of noise. Passing traffic would express their support/displeasure for Issa by honking their horns. (Which would make not honking your horn similarly protected expression, although it's unlikely anyone would be cited for not honking their horn while driving by a protest.)

The demonstation briefly attended by Porter drew the attention of local law enforcement, who showed up to hand out citations to protesters. Porter was parked in a nearby parking lot. When the cops showed up, Porter decided to clear out. As she drove away past the protesters and newly-arrived law enforcement officers, she sent off one last car horn blast of support. Cue unneeded officer involvement. From the lawsuit [PDF]:

After Ms. Porter sounded her horn in support of the protest, Sheriff's Deputy K. Klein ("Deputy Klein"), ID. Number 7275, directed Ms. Porter to pull over.

Deputy Klein told Ms. Porter she was pulled over for sounding her vehicle horn, and issued her a citation for alleged violation of Vehicle Code 27001, which states that "[t]he driver of a motor vehicle when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation shall give audible warning with his horn," but "[t]he horn shall not otherwise be used, except as a theft alarm system" (emphasis added). Cal. Veh. Code 27001.

Section 27001 does not require that the use of a horn meet any specified noise level, disturb the peace, distract drivers or pedestrians, or endanger safety.

[...]

Ms. Porter's citation… states that the citation was for violation of "27001(A) cvc [sic] -- unreasonable use of horn" and contains no allegations as to noise level, disturbing the peace, distracting drivers or pedestrians, or endangering safety.

It looks like Deputy Klein didn't like being honked at (though he wasn't) by some protester slipping away from the scene of the crime in her vehicle and tagged her with a "don't fuck [with] the police" ticket. I'm sure he never expected his department would be named in a civil rights lawsuit, but that's the sort of thing that happens when the law is used in ways it shouldn't be. If these law enforcement officers were that concerned about horn noise, all they had to do was camp out outside Issa's office and hand out horn tickets all day long. But law enforcement is never about consistent enforcement. It's highly selective and sometimes the law that ends up being enforced isn't the one officers had in mind when they initiated the stop. (But that's a completely different amendment.)

In this case, her honked horn wasn't a violation of the law, but rather her way of "convey[ing] a message of support for the protest." But it was also a violation of the law, if officers wanted to get technical. And Deputy Klein certainly did.

Selective enforcement of seldom-enforced laws around demonstrations and protests is a great way to rack up civil liberties violations and their attendant lawsuits. Porter claims the deputy's decision to enforce the states horn ordinance out of the blue creates a chilling effect for politically-inclined drivers like herself.

Ms. Porter regularly drives her vehicle in areas of San Diego County and the State of California where the Sheriff's Department or California Highway Patrol is responsible for traffic enforcement.

In driving her vehicle in those areas, Ms. Porter observes rallies, protests, demonstrations, or other events for which she would like to express her support through use of her vehicle horn.

Given the citation issued to her and her knowledge of the statute, Ms. Porter reasonably fears that the Sheriff's Department or California Highway Patrol will enforce section 27001 against her if she uses her vehicle horn for such expressive purposes.

As a result, Ms. Porter is censoring herself by refraining from using her vehicle horn for expressive purposes, including but not limited to expressing support for political protests, rallies, or demonstrations.

It seems like a ridiculous legal hill to die on, but it does raise a valid point: if officers are going to use a horn ordinance to selectively punish supporters of certain causes, the state is basically placing itself between residents and their ability (however limited its usefulness in this particular application) to petition their government.

This will make for an interesting case. Porter isn't alleging anything but an ongoing First Amendment controversy due to the state's restriction on horn use. The state will likely claim the public is served by a law that discourages people from blowing their horns whenever they damn well please, but those arguments are going to sound kind of ridiculous when actually verbalized. Is a law really necessary to keep horns from blaring constantly? Or has it long been accepted horns do double-duty as expressive speech, delivering pithy messages like "You suck at driving," "You suck in general," "Your ride is here," and "I heartily approve/disapprove of this issue being debated freely in the marketplace of ideas, which is apparently located at Rep. Issa's office at the moment."

Whatever the basis for the law, it was pretty clearly used here to express a law enforcement officer's distaste for the message conveyed by Porter, even if the message the deputy received was "I support the people you're currently citing for other legal violations," rather than the one Porter intended to send. Since it would be almost impossible to carve out a protest-only waiver on horn restrictions, the court either has to find the law unconstitutional in whole or decide it can be selectively used to punish ostensibly political speech. However it decides to handle this, it should be a fun case to watch.

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Im not sure how I feel about this.

On the one hand you do not want to cheapen the sound of horn as a "Watchout" noise. But there are times when people are laying on their horn and being an asshate. To me its in the same area of screaming fire in a movie theater.

Justified  posted on  2018-06-24   10:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

But it was also a violation of the law,

Period. End of story.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-24   11:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite (#2)

But it was also a violation of the law, Period. End of story.

Technically perhaps.

Susan Porter was driving by a protest held outside of Rep. Darrell Issa's office. These frequent demonstrations gathered both protesters and counter-protesters, all of who made plenty of noise.

Passing traffic would express their support/displeasure for Issa by honking their horns.

(Which would make not honking your horn similarly protected expression, although it's unlikely anyone would be cited for not honking their horn while driving by a protest.)

You ever honked your horn while passing by a protest to express your support bobby?

Why weren't the dozens of other horn-honking scofflaws cited for their blatant law-breaking.

Porter was singled out by the cop because he didn't like her expressing her first amendment rights so he decided to cite her using an obscure law.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-06-24   11:10:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#3)

Why weren't the dozens of other horn-honking scofflaws cited for their blatant law-breaking.

I bet when you're pulled over for speeding you ask a similar question: They were speeding, too. Why weren't they pulled over? Why me?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-24   11:23:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#4)

You ever honked your horn while passing by a protest to express your support bobby?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-06-24   11:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#5)

You ever honked your horn while passing by a protest to express your support bobby?

I honk because I love Jesus. Does that count?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-24   11:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deckard (#0)

I see this being shot down. The fact that you could just lay into your horn in protest forever to obstruct those that you disagree with. This would lead to chaos and civil war between groups. Those that are peaceful would get run over by the commies.

We should always allow peaceful protest but in my opinion the Regressives have gone way to far(go figure Nazi's not understanding limits).

Justified  posted on  2018-06-24   11:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Justified (#7)

We should always allow peaceful protest but in my opinion the Regressives have gone way to far(go figure Nazi's not understanding limits).

Would you honk your horn if you were passing by a pro-Trump protest?

Leftists aren't the only ones who attend protests ya know.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-06-24   12:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#8)

She double honked 3 times.

I believe like always there is much more to the story than we are getting.

So she did not just honk and drive on. She honked enough to get the officers attention which is why she got the ticket.

Justified  posted on  2018-06-24   12:04:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Justified, California Republicans, deserve lots of honks, Deckard (#9) (Edited)

She double honked 3 times.

Two were for safety, to warn the officer and protestors that she was driving by and that they should be careful not to wander into the path of her car. A horn is an important warning device for public safety. That's why they're standard equipment.

The third pair of honks were in support of the protest, protected free speech.

Anyway, there's no limit to how many words can be on your protest sign, or how many honks you may give. Perhaps you're not aware of just how offensive Rep. Darrell Issa really is, he deserves lots of honks!

He's very callous and stupid, so just one or two honks is not going to git 'er done.

hondo68  posted on  2018-06-24   13:12:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: hondo68 (#10)

Two were for safety, to warn the officer and protestors that she was driving by and that they should be careful not to wander into the path of her car. A horn is an important warning device for public safety. That's why they're standard equipment.

I think thats the funniest thing you have ever said! LOL

Anyway, there's no limit to how many words can be on your protest sign, or how many honks you may give.

I put this under the you can't yell fire in a building that might cause panic and you can't honking for the same reason. If you honked only once nothing probably would have happen but its the multiply honks that cause the issue.

If you do not like Issa you better watch out you might get someone like Max Waters! 8|

Justified  posted on  2018-06-24   13:28:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com