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Title: Cops Break Into Innocent Man’s Yard, Kill His Dog, Steal His Body, Then Urinate On His Fence
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: https://thefreethoughtproject.com/w ... dy-then-urinate-on-his-plants/
Published: Jun 24, 2018
Author: Jay Syrmopoulos
Post Date: 2018-06-24 10:15:23 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 1612
Comments: 116

Dos Palos, CA – Dos Palos resident George Aguaristi filed a $1 million dollar suit in Merced County after authorities came onto his property without a warrant last month and the killed his 5-year-old pitbull, Samson. The entire ordeal was captured on surveillance cameras installed on the property.

To add insult to injury, after killing his dog, whom Aguaristi referred to as his “best friend” and “son,” the officer can be seen urinating on Aguaristi’s fence.

Authorities have yet to explain why they came onto the 61-year-old Dos Palos resident’s property despite signs being posted on the front gate noting “No Trespassing” and “Beware of Dog.”

A report in Merced Sun-Star explained:

He said he woke up May 30 with a neighbor knocking on his window who said officers had been in his fenced-in yard. The 61-year-old noted he has “Beware of Dog” and “No Trespassing” signs on the front gate.

Aguaristi said he went outside to feed Samson and Delilah, another pit bull, but couldn’t find the male. After finding a business card wedge in the screen door, he called the number, which was for an investigator for the Merced County District Attorney’s Office.

Efforts to reach the lead investigator by phone were unsuccessful on Thursday.

It was an investigator who told the homeowner that an officer had killed his dog, Aguaristi said. He’d slept through it all.

“I was just in shock. My mind just went,” Aguaristi said. “Eventually, I said, ‘Is there something you needed to ask me?’ And, (the officer) says, ‘No, that’s about it.’ “

After being informed that his dog had been killed, Aguaristi reviewed footage from the surveillance cameras on his property. The footage revealed that around 8:30 a.m. a male and female officer entered the property through the front gate where the signs were posted. The female officer can be seen walking towards the porch of the residence, at which point Samson comes down the stairs and takes a stance between the front door of the home and the officer.

At this point the officer appears to use pepper spray — which only serves to agitate Samson — who begins to move toward the officer. The officer can then be seen pulling a firearm and shooting/killing the dog.

While likely not aware they were being recorded, the two officers can then be seen taking Samson’s dead body and an investigator can be seen washing Samson’s blood off of the driveway with a garden hose.

“They killed my dog and they stole it,” Aguaristi said.

The fact that these officers took the dog and attempted to wash away the blood is indicative of an attempt at covering up the truth of the incident in that these officers came onto private property, which warned to “Beware of Dog” and “No Trespassing,” and proceeded to then kill an animal that was doing what it was supposed to be doing – and where it was supposed to be!

Sadly, this is not an exception to the rule, as TFTP has reported time and time again on cases of police officers shooting dogs maliciously and without regard. In fact, just the other day we reported on the case of an officer shooting at a dog in a small room resulting in a 9-year-old child being shot in the face.

Samson is now buried on the property, and a neighbor’s children, who played with the dog often, have made a cross for his headstone, Aguaristi said.

Aguaristi said that he doesn’t hate law enforcement, but just wants “justice for Samson.”

“He was a good boy,” he said. “He didn’t deserve that.”

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#21. To: Deckard, badged gangbangers, license to kill (#0)

Samson is now buried on the property, and a neighbor’s children, who played with the dog often, have made a cross for his headstone

The community has learned the hard lesson that police are psycho killer intruders whose badges & gang color blue, give them special privileges that place them above the law.

It's up to the community as a whole to neutralize this threat by whatever means they can.

Psyched up and ready to take out porch nick-nacks, garden gnomes, dogs, and anything else that frightens them.
Because, they can get away with it.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-06-26   19:08:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deckard, Stoner, Gatlin, nolu chan, VxH, GrandIsland, misterwhite, hondo68 (#0)

As the woman walks towards the porch, Samson walks down the steps and stands between the officer and the front door.

"Front door".

Front door meaning front yard meaning public access.

Right there he will lose the case(in a sane world).

Maybe by front door they mean backdoor??

Justified  posted on  2018-06-26   20:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Justified, Beware of Law Dogs (#22) (Edited)

Front door meaning front yard meaning public access.

Possibly the front door although many back doors have porches too, but it was not public access. There's a fence and signs posted,

No Trespassing, Beware of Dog!

Maybe the officers were Somali refugees who couldn't read English?

Ignorance of the law, or of the language is no excuse. Deport them!

Hondo68  posted on  2018-06-26   21:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Justified (#1)

Im not a cop but im sure there is some kinda training that tells them to have the dog removed and wash the blood away. This is not a human and a human life was in danger. Who knows why they were in the backyard. Could have been called about a suspicious person in the yard.

You kill my pet,I kill you. End of story.

And that dog was a pet that was doing what he was supposed to be doing,defending his master and property from invaders.

If he had jumped the fence and gone after the cops or anyone else walking down the sidewalk,different story and justified shoot.

The shoot was NOT justified because the cops were invading private property without just cause.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-26   21:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete, Justified, nolu chan (#24)

… the cops were invading private property without just cause.
The cops were NOT invading private property.

The US Supreme Court ruled in Florida v. Jardines, 133 S.Ct. 1409 (2013) that the police have an absolute right to walk up to a front door of a person’s home since that right is subject to an implied license based on existing social norms.

There is an implied license to approach a front door with the intent to knock and try to speak to the homeowner.

The police can go up the front door when a homeowner puts up “no trespassing” signs or something similar. The signs do no revoke the implied license.

In United States v. Denim, 2013 WL 4591469 (E.D.Tenn. August 28, 2013), the district court (adopting the magistrate judge’s R&R) held that “no trespassing signs” do not revoke the implied license and that officers can approach the front door and knock on the door despite the signs.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-06-26   22:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#25)

Howdy, Gatlin.

Good to see you around!

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-06-26   23:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Gatlin (#25)

It is also local law for Merced County.

http://www.qcode.us/codes/mercedcounty/index.php?topic=7%20

Title 7 ANIMALS

Chapter 7.04 DOGS, CATS, AND OTHER DOMESTICATED ANIMALS

7.04.291 Right of entry for enforcement conditions.

A. The director, any officer or employee thereof, or other duly designated representative of the county, and any law enforcement officer shall have the right to make an inspection to enforce the provisions of this chapter or other applicable law by entering property to enforce the provisions of this chapter or other applicable law; provided, that:

1. If such building and/or property is occupied, he shall first present proper credentials to the occupant and request entry, explaining his reasons therefor; and if such building and/or property is unoccupied, he shall first make a reasonable effort to locate the owner thereof or other persons having authority over the building and/or property and request entry, explaining his reasons therefor.

2. If such entry into the building or upon the property be refused, the director, any officer or employee thereof, or other duly designated representative of the county and any law enforcement officer may obtain an inspection warrant pursuant to the provisions of the Code of Civil Procedure (Sections 1822.50 through 1822.57), for the entry and inspection of the building and/or the property. However, if the conditions of Code of Civil Procedure Section 1822.50 cannot be satisfied and criminal charges are implicated, animal control or the law enforcement officer may seek a search warrant of said building and/or the property.

3. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if the director, any officer or employee thereof, or other duly designated representative of the county, and any law enforcement officer has reasonable cause to believe that the keeping or the maintaining of any animal is so hazardous, unsafe or dangerous as to require immediate inspection to safeguard the animal or the public health or safety, he shall have the right to immediately enter and inspect such building and/or property, and may use any reasonable means required to effect such entry and make such inspection, whether such building and/or property is occupied or unoccupied, and whether or not permission to inspect has been obtained. If the building and/or property is occupied, he shall first present proper credentials to the occupant and request entry, explaining his reasons therefor.

B. This section shall not prohibit the director, any officer or employee thereof, and any law enforcement officer from entering upon any public or private property in the unincorporated territory of the county of Merced for the purpose of capturing an animal running at large in violation of this chapter or other applicable law. Any person who denies or prevents, obstructs, or attempts to deny, prevent or obstruct said capture is guilty of a misdemeanor. (Ord. 1675 § 2, 2002).

nolu chan  posted on  2018-06-26   23:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: nolu chan, irrelevant code cut and paste, copsucker (#27)

There were no animal code enforcement issues, so what you've quoted is irrelevant LEO boot licking. No value added.

You've done nothing to clear up the mystery why these psycho cops trespassed on the property.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-06-27   0:03:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: hondo68, nolu chan (#28)

Hondo:
There's a fence and signs posted,
No Trespassing, Beware of Dog!
Ignorance of the law….is no excuse.

“Ignorance of law excuses no one” (ignorantia legis neminem excusat ) or if you prefer “ignorance of the law excuses not” (Ignorantia juris non excusat). This legal principle does emphatically hold that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because one was unaware of its content. You hondo, are however foolishly displaying your cluelessness when attempting to apply this legal principle here and your statement shows complete incomprehension and total unawareness of any familiarity with the law as it applies in this situation. It matters not to the police if there’s a fence and signs posted….they had the absolute lawful right to approach the front door of the residence.

Hondo:
You've (nolu chan) done nothing to clear up the mystery why these psycho cops trespassed on the property.
Then here hondo, let me help you completely understand the law and fully realize why the cops were not psycho and did not trespass on the property.
The US Supreme Court ruled in Florida v. Jardines, 133 S.Ct. 1409 (2013) that the police have an absolute right to walk up to a front door of a person’s home since that right is subject to an implied license based on existing social norms. There is an implied license to approach a front door with the intent to knock and try to speak to the homeowner. The police can go up the front door when a homeowner puts up “no trespassing” signs or something similar. The signs do no revoke the implied license. Furthermore, in United States v. Denim, 2013 WL 4591469 (E.D.Tenn. August 28, 2013), the district court (adopting the magistrate judge’s R&R) held that “no trespassing signs” do not revoke the implied license and that officers can approach the front door and knock on the door despite the signs.
There …

Gatlin  posted on  2018-06-27   6:35:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Gatlin, Hondo (#29)

...the police have an absolute right to walk up to a front door of a person’s home since that right is subject to an implied license based on existing social norms. There is an implied license to approach a front door with the intent to knock and try to speak to the homeowner.

They still need to have a reason to knock on the door - they didn't. And there is no indication that they even attempted to knock on the door, even after killing the dog.

Oh sure, they left a business card and pissed on the guy's fence.

Yep - real "heroes".

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-06-27   7:39:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: nolu chan (#27)

1. If such building and/or property is occupied, he shall first present proper credentials to the occupant and request entry, explaining his reasons therefor

No such credentials were presented, no entry was requested - for Pete's sake - the cop never even knocked at the door.

What reason did he have for being there?

B. This section shall not prohibit the director, any officer or employee thereof, and any law enforcement officer from entering upon any public or private property in the unincorporated territory of the county of Merced for the purpose of capturing an animal running at large

The dog was inside the owner's yard - not running wild in the streets.

None of what you posted applies in this situation.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-06-27   7:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: hondo68 (#23)

Possibly the front door although many back doors have porches too, but it was not public access. There's a fence and signs posted,

I have seen people with fence in the front too.

For some reason there really isn't any information on this subject other than this one article. Which makes it very hard to make a proper decision. IMHO

Justified  posted on  2018-06-27   7:51:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#24)

See post 22.

Justified  posted on  2018-06-27   7:52:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Gatlin (#25)

“no trespassing signs” do not revoke the implied license and that officers can approach the front door and knock on the door despite the signs.

Correct. So can the mailman, the UPS guy, the Fedex guy, the pizza guy, or any other visitor.

Which means that you can't let a pit bull roam free in that public access area.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-27   9:12:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deckard (#31)

What reason did he have for being there?

None of your fucking business.

Maybe they were investigating a child porn ring. Do you think it should be public knowledge that the police were there for that reason when the guy may be totally innocent? Just to satisfy your fucking curiosity?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-27   9:15:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Deckard (#30)

They still need to have a reason to knock on the door - they didn't.

Sure they did. They just didn't tell you.

"And there is no indication that they even attempted to knock on the door, even after killing the dog."

Well, they didn't attempt to knock because the was a loose pit bull in the way. And they figured that if the commotion and the gunfire didn't bring anyone to the door, knocking would have no effect.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-27   9:20:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Deckard (#30)

They still need to have a reason to knock on the door - they didn't.

The article clearly and emphatically stated: “Authorities have yet to explain why they came onto the 61-year-old Dos Palos resident’s property.”

Just because the authorities have not “yet” provided a reason in absolutely no way means they had NO reason to knock on his door.

Please provide a source validating your “malicious claim” that “they didn’t have reason to knock on the door?’

Gatlin  posted on  2018-06-27   9:23:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Justified (#33)

See post 22.

I have seen post 22. It means nothing. The cops could have backed off and called the owner on the phone and told him to secure his dog. It's not like there was a kidnapped child in there being tortured. There was no emergency.

The ONLY reason those cops killed that dog was because they were cops,and they knew they could get away with it.

I repeat,you kill my dog and my dog isn't attacking you or is attacking you with good reason,I will kill you and I don't give a damn how many badges you may be carrying.

This kind of insane and out of control crap by the police needs to STOP. They are NOT our masters. They are our EMPLOYEES.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-27   9:25:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: misterwhite (#34)

Which means that you can't let a pit bull roam free in that public access area.

No,the REAL message here is you can't allow cops to roam free outside of their own yards.

That pit bull was in the yard where HE lived,doing what he was SUPPOSED to be doing.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-27   9:27:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: misterwhite (#34)

“no trespassing signs” do not revoke the implied license and that officers can approach the front door and knock on the door despite the signs.

Correct. So can the mailman, the UPS guy, the Fedex guy, the pizza guy, or any other visitor.

WRONG. I used to be a letter carrier,and we were told to NOT go into fenced yard with "No Trespassing" signs. We were to put a notice in the mail box at the fence if we had something that wouldn't fit into the mailbox.

I have never worked for UPS or any of the other delivery services,but I would be shocked if they weren't told the same thing.

Like it or not,cops are NOT our Masters. They are nothing but public employees and have no special rights or powers that common citizens don't have.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-27   9:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: misterwhite (#35)

What reason did he have for being there?

None of your fucking business.

So,it is none of the public's business to know what a public employee is doing on or with their property?

I guess this means all I need is a badge to go to your house and drive your car away,rape your daughter AND your dog,and then burn your house down around you?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-27   9:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: misterwhite (#35) (Edited)

What reason did he have for being there?

None of your fucking business.

Really! You're a trip bobby! First of all you want no accountability for police, now you want complete secrecy.

Maybe they were investigating a child porn ring.

Seriously? That must have been some investigation!

They didn't even bother to knock at the door.

If what you said was true, they would have sent in a militarily armed SWAT team and broke down the door.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-06-27   9:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: sneakypete (#41)

...all I need is a badge to go to your house and drive your car away,rape your daughter AND your dog,and then burn your house down around you?

Good job summing up whitey's mindset (and Gatlin's as well).

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-06-27   9:39:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Deckard (#42)

now you want complete secrecy.

Not complete secrecy. YOU don't need to know why they were there.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-27   9:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: sneakypete, misterwhite (#40) (Edited)

Gatlin:
“no trespassing signs” do not revoke the implied license and that officers can approach the front door and knock on the door despite the signs.

misterwhite: Correct. So can the mailman, the UPS guy, the Fedex guy, the pizza guy, or any other visitor.

Sneakypete:
WRONG. I used to be a letter carrier,and we were told to NOT go into fenced yard with "No Trespassing" signs. We were to put a notice in the mail box at the fence if we had something that wouldn't fit into the mailbox. I have never worked for UPS or any of the other delivery services,but I would be shocked if they weren't told the same thing.

You are correct, Pete, in that USPS, UPS, FEDEX, pizza companies and all other delivery services can establish their own procedures and restrictions for delivery and they have as you so adeptly explained in one situation here.

However, misterwhite is not “WRONG.”

By laws that have been validated by court rulings all the way up to SCOTUS….NO ONE can be restricted or denied access to the front door of a residence by a “No Trespassing – Private Property” sign, a fence or any other means.

Like it or not,cops are NOT our Masters. They are nothing but public employees and have no special rights or powers that common citizens don't have.
That is absolutely correct.

However, these police officers did not exercise any “special rights or powers” or even try to do so when they entered the gate and approached the front door to the residence.

Like it or not….these police officers were fully permitted by law to do so, irrespective of any posted signs.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-06-27   10:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: sneakypete, Justified (#38)

The ONLY reason those cops killed that dog was because they were cops,and they knew they could get away with it. This kind of insane and out of control crap by the police needs to STOP.

I repeat,you kill my dog and my dog isn't attacking you or is attacking you with good reason,I will kill you and I don't give a damn how many badges you may be carrying.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-06-27   11:48:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Deckard (#43)

Good job …
Great job of ignoring my request for you to please provide a source validating your malicious claim that they didn’t have reason to knock on the door. See Post #37.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-06-27   12:32:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: hondo68 (#28)

There were no animal code enforcement issues,

A. The director, any officer or employee thereof, or other duly designated representative of the county, and any law enforcement officer shall have the right to make an inspection to enforce the provisions of this chapter or other applicable law by entering property to enforce the provisions of this chapter or other applicable law....

Lacking your psychic ability to determine the cops went there and entered the yard for no reason at all, I find insufficient information provided, typical of the FAKE NEWS site The Free Thought Project.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-06-27   12:45:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Deckard (#31)

None of what you posted applies in this situation.

A. The director, any officer or employee thereof, or other duly designated representative of the county, and any law enforcement officer shall have the right to make an inspection to enforce the provisions of this chapter or other applicable law by entering property to enforce the provisions of this chapter or other applicable law....

Lacking your psychic ability to determine the cops went there and entered the yard for no reason at all, I find insufficient information provided, typical of the FAKE NEWS site The Free Thought Project.

Numbnuts supposedly slept through one or more gunshots and multiple LEOs in his yard. It is unlikiely that knocking would have awakened him unless they knocked with a battering ram.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-06-27   12:52:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Deckard (#31)

What reason did he have for being there?

As long as you cannot answer this question, you and the The Free Thought Project lack sufficient cause for all the blather.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-06-27   12:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: nolu chan (#49)

Numbnuts supposedly slept through one or more gunshots and multiple LEOs in his yard. It is unlikiely that knocking would have awakened him unless they knocked with a battering ram.

Oh...so they didn't knock? Then why were they there in the first place?

No one has yet answered that simple question.

If they HAD been there for a reason, there would have been a lot more more going on than just the cop provoking and then killing the dog.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-06-27   13:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: sneakypete, misterwhite (#41)

So,it is none of the public's business to know what a public employee is doing on or with their property?

It is public’s business to know that any and all access to the front door of a residence cannot be restricted by a “No Trespassing – Private Property” type sign, a fence or any other means.

I guess this means all I need is a badge to go to your house and drive your car away,rape your daughter AND your dog,and then burn your house down around you?
No, just because you concoct the most ridiculous analogy you can think of does not make it so. You are erroneously trying to make a reasonable argument but turned it into an absurd one, by taking the argument to the extremes. Note that this is not a valid reductio ad absurdum proving that sometimes it is easy to reduce an arguments to absurdity.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-06-27   13:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Deckard (#51)

Oh...so they didn't knock? Then why were they there in the first place?

You do not know if they knocked, or why they were there. Until you do, the article is meaningless.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-06-27   13:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: nolu chan, marking their turf, blueline gang hit (#48)

the cops went there and entered the yard for no reason at all

The reason is apparent in the video. The cops trespassed in order to piss on the fence and mark their gang turf.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-06-27   13:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: misterwhite (#44)

Not complete secrecy. YOU don't need to know why they were there.

Are you polishing your jack boots while lusting after a job with the Secret Police?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-27   13:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Gatlin (#45)

Like it or not,cops are NOT our Masters. They are nothing but public employees and have no special rights or powers that common citizens don't have.

That is absolutely correct.

However, these police officers did not exercise any “special rights or powers” or even try to do so when they entered the gate and approached the front door to the residence.

Like it or not….these police officers were fully permitted by law to do so, irrespective of any posted signs.

Both cannot be true.

For example,you can be standing out in your yard and if a cop approaches you,you can tell him to stay off your property unless he goes and gets a warrant.

IF the fools in the SC ruled differently,as you claim,they not only ruled wrong,they are derelict in their obligations to protect individual freedoms.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-27   13:40:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Gatlin (#46)

Yes. There comes a time when you have to draw a line in the sand,and my pets are my family as much as humans are.

If you think differently,you should have been born in the 1920's so you could have joined the CPUSSR or the Nazi Party,BOTH of whom grace their police with special rights and powers regular citizens didn't have.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-27   13:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: nolu chan (#50)

What reason did he have for being there?

As long as you cannot answer this question, you and the The Free Thought Project lack sufficient cause for all the blather.

Guilty until proven innocent,and they don't need to damn search warrant,huh?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-27   13:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: sneakypete (#38)

In all the years I have dealt with dogs not once would they let me "back off". You will have to run away or beat them with a stick(punch them so hard they realize this is a bad deal for them).

If this was in the backyard behind a locked gate then I could see a problem. Front yard by the front door then its all on the owner. Dogs are not people. They do not understand boundaries. All they know is if you run or turn your back they attack.

Its really only the pits that cause all the problems and its really only been since 2000 where manchilds want these types of dogs. Pits do not have self control and that's why so many attack their own owners and family. Bad bad breed that should not be allow in society.

Justified  posted on  2018-06-27   14:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: sneakypete (#56)

For example,you can be standing out in your yard and if a cop approaches you,you can tell him to stay off your property unless he goes and gets a warrant.

Your example is an irrelevant conclusion, also known as ignoratio elenchi (Latin for an ignoring of a refutation) or missing the point.

Your informal fallacy of presenting such an argument is logically valid and sound, but entirely fails to address the issue under discussion and in question. It therefore falls into the broad class of relevance fallacies. It is quite obvious that your informal fallacy arises from "ignorance of the nature of refutation."

George Aguaristi was NOT standing out in his yard and therefore the officers had every legal right to enter his property and proceed towards the front door irrespective of any posted sign or fence.

IF the fools in the SC ruled differently,as you claim,they not only ruled wrong,they are derelict in their obligations to protect individual freedoms.
There is no “IF” and I made NO claim. I linked directly to the SCOTUS ruling for you to read. You are entitled to your personal opinion but you stating they ruled wrong and that they are derelict in the obligations to protect individual freedoms in NO way NEGATES the law. You can of course choose to ignore the law and pay the consequences, if the case arises, but you cannot invalidate the law.
However, these police officers did not exercise any “special rights or powers” or even try to do so when they entered the gate and approached the front door to the residence.

Like it or not….these police officers were fully permitted by law to do so, irrespective of any posted signs.

Both cannot be true.

Yes, both can be and are definitely proven to be true by the cited case law.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-06-27   14:31:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: sneakypete, nolu chan (#58)

Guilty until proven innocent …
Exactly WHERE is any “guilt” until proven “innocent?”
… and they don't need to damn search warrant,huh?
The officers did NOT need a “damn search” warrant to open the gate and proceed towards the front door.

That action was LAWFUL irrespective on any posted sign and your “personal opinion.”

Gatlin  posted on  2018-06-27   14:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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