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Title: Trump, Kim Jong-Un Sign Document Committing to 'Denuclearization' of Peninsula
Source: RedState
URL Source: https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar ... -un-sign-unspecified-document/
Published: Jun 12, 2018
Author: Jennifer Van Laar
Post Date: 2018-06-12 05:18:11 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 5083
Comments: 45

UPDATED 11:55 PM Pacific:
ZOOM IN ON THE TEXT: "President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula." pic.twitter.com/vXBeIMP81i

— Conor Finnegan (@cjf39) June 12, 2018

President Donald Trump and North Korean ruler Kim Jong-Un held a ceremony in Singapore to sign “what Trump called a ‘pretty comprehensive’ and important document after hours of talks, both behind closed doors and in public.

The details of the document have not yet been released, but copies of the document are to be handed out to reporters and Trump said he’ll be holding a press conference around 4 a.m. Eastern time.
Kim Jong Un: "Today, we had [an] historic meeting and decided to leave the past behind." https://t.co/7v4WwQVg2Q pic.twitter.com/4YK75KpnkJ

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 12, 2018

Kim Jong Un: "The world will see a major change." https://t.co/7v4WwQVg2Q pic.twitter.com/VWmUUGsS5A

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 12, 2018

This story will be updated as more details become available.


Poster Comment:

Even if Kim wiggles out of it later, Trump has done more on Korea than any prez since Ike.

It is still unlikely that Kim actually does denuclearize and sign a peace treaty but it is possible.

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

The end of this process will be the end of the Korean war, and a federal Korea, without US forces in it.

That will save a lot of money and lives, and change the structure of Asia for the better.

Now we just have to stay the course. 6 more years of Trump will be enough to get the job done.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-06-12   6:46:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

The US does need to keep some bases scattered out around the world for rapid response purposes, otherwise you'll have more and more Benghazi's.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2018-06-12   7:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: CZ82 (#2)

The US does need to keep some bases scattered out around the world for rapid response purposes, otherwise you'll have more and more Benghazi's.

We won't have Benghazis if we don't practice ridiculous Rambo diplomacy.

There was no reason for the US Ambassador to be in a compound trying to sell arms to quasi-terrorists. It was a ridiculous risk for very little gain.

Truth is, we need to rethink what we are out there in the world FOR.

In any case, yes, sure, we need to maintain bases scattered around the world. No doubt about that.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-06-12   7:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

We won't have Benghazis if we don't practice ridiculous Rambo diplomacy.

There was no reason for the US Ambassador to be in a compound trying to sell arms to quasi-terrorists. It was a ridiculous risk for very little gain.

Yea well that is what some dumbass politicians do climb in bed with vermin, peas in a pod.

I wasn't referring to that part of what happened I was referring to no help close by to respond to or help deter terrorist attacks against any country, it's not all just about the US.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2018-06-12   7:23:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: CZ82 (#4)

help deter terrorist attacks against any country, it's not all just about the US.

If the US is paying for it, then it is all about the US.

We are only responsible for protecting the lives of foreigners to the extent we choose to be. It is a sovereign, unilateral choice, on our part, as to who we protect and who we don't. We are not obligated to protect anybody by any obligation that we cannot shake off at will. Our people - who pay for it with dollars and blood - are the sole arbiters of who we protect and when.

Given the expense to us, if we decide that we no longer want to spend our people's money "defending" Europe against no real threat, then we don't have to. We can bring the troops home and let the Europeans pay entirely for their own defense against nothing. Whether nothing will STAY nothing, or not, if we leave, is a separate but related question.

One aspect of the stability we provide is that nothing much changes. That being the case, our presence is valuable to those nations, but expensive to us.

Therefore, we should be effectively charging tribute, to defray the FULL cost of our forces being over there, and to bring a small profit to the US Treasury.

Europe and Asia should be paying us for the defense we provide. We should be profiting from it. The psychological advantages for our rulers are by no means enough.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-06-12   7:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

The end of this process will be the end of the Korean war, and a federal Korea, without US forces in it.

East and West Germany united. Which I thought would never happen in my lifetime. North and South Vietnam united. Which I thought would never happen in my lifetime.

I can see North and South Korea uniting, sure. Maybe even in what's left of my lifetime.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-12   7:36:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: CZ82 (#2)

The US does need to keep some bases scattered out around the world for rapid response purposes,

I agree. But the U.S. still has bases in Japan and Guam, and will cerainly be able to bring aircraft carriers in and out of South Korean ports.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-12   7:40:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Even if Kim wiggles out of it later, Trump has done more on Korea than any prez since Ike.

LameStreamLibtardMedia Trump haters and closet snowflakes (many posters here), have been conspicuously quiet... agenda over country.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-06-12   8:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

The end of this process will be the end of the Korean war, and a federal Korea, without US forces in it.

Perhaps a neutral Korea with its status guaranteed by a real treaty with China and America.

And South Korea, Japan, America and even China will pay a lot to make it work, to modernize the North.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-12   9:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: GrandIsland (#8)

LameStreamLibtardMedia Trump haters and closet snowflakes (many posters here), have been conspicuously quiet...

I imagine they will soon bounce back with some explanation about how That Idiot in the White House somehow stumbled into a big peace deal entirely by accident.

It's a lot better for the talking heads to explain than trying to explain why Nancy Pelosi thinks MS-13 gangs are such fine human beings. Or why Pelosi think Americans hate rising wages and tax cuts.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-12   9:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: All, Vicomte13, sneakypete (#10)

United States and North Korea Agreement: Full Text

President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) held a first, historic summit in Singapore on June 12, 2018.

President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un conducted a comprehensive, in-depth, and sincere exchange of opinions on the issues related to the establishment of new U.S.-DPRK relations and the building of a lasting and robust peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

Convinced that the establishment of new U.S.-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of the world, and recognising that mutual confidence building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

Having acknowledged that the U.S.-DPRK summit — the first in history — was an epochal event of great significance and overcoming decades of tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in this joint statement fully and expeditiously. The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-on negotiations led by the U.S. Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the U.S.-DPRK summit.

President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of new U.S.-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.

June 12, 2018

Sentosa Island

Singapore

It sounds like we will see POW remains and the remains of American soldiers repatriated in short order. It will give us something of a test of how sincere Kim is. You have to begin with something and that isn't a bad choice.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-12   9:20:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: All, Vicomte13 (#11)

Washington Examiner: Trump: Otto Warmbier helped make North Korea summit possible

Townhall:

Kim expressed gratitude for the historic meeting.

"Today we had a historic meeting and decided to leave the past behind and we are about to make a historic change," Kim said. "I want to express my gratitude to President Trump to make this meeting happen."

President Trump confirmed he plans to meet with Kim "many times" in the future and held a press conference to close out the summit. He also said the U.S. will stop military exercises with South Korea and said eventually the U.S. could pull troops out of the region completely.

"Chairman Kim and I just signed a joint statement in which he reaffirmed his unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean peninsula," Trump said. "As history has proven over and over again, adversaries can indeed become friends...We're prepared to start a new history, and we're ready to write a new chapter between our nations."

“Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace," Trump continued, stressing he has given up nothing at this point in negotiations. "We will be stopping the war games, which will save us a tremendous amount of money, unless and until we see the future negotiation is not going along like it should."
.@POTUS delivers remarks following his historic summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. https://t.co/3Pfc9AMVxE https://t.co/sPeTZqzKfm— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 12, 2018

Until denuclearization is complete, economic sanctions on North Korea will remain in place. President Trump is on his way back to the United States.

And Trump still hasn't given up anything that I can see. It sounds like he has invited Kim to the WH. Seems a shame to have such a butcher there but Trump is conducting the foreign policy, not anyone else. It's worth it if he can bring peace to Korea finally.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-12   9:29:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland (#7)

Wearing a MAGA Hat on CNN, Tearful Dennis Rodman Details His Diplomacy
Efforts in N. Korea: ‘Obama Didn’t Give Me the Time of Day’

Wearing a MAGA Hat on CNN, Tearful Dennis Rodman Details His Diplomacy Efforts in N. Korea: ‘Obama Didn’t Give Me the Time of Day’

Trump is winning the black vote! LOL

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-12   9:34:58 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#11)

You have to begin with something and that isn't a bad choice.

Walk before you run.

Ben Shapiro (who I like) is complaining about Trump not pushing for an end to human rights abuses in North Korea. Gosh. Why not also insist on clean air and clean water, too? North Korea can supply endless fodder to the SJW crowd.

Let another President handle that. Trump is trying to stop a madman from nuking LA and is looks as though he's succeeding. Personally, that's the human rights abuse I'd like to avoid.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-12   10:23:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#14)

Ben Shapiro (who I like) is complaining about Trump not pushing for an end to human rights abuses in North Korea. Gosh. Why not also insist on clean air and clean water, too? North Korea can supply endless fodder to the SJW crowd.

I like Shapiro but he's been off his feed lately on a few topics.

He'll come around.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-12   10:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative (#13)

"Wearing a MAGA Hat on CNN, Tearful Dennis Rodman Details His Diplomacy Efforts in N. Korea: ‘Obama Didn’t Give Me the Time of Day’

Yep. That's the MSM headline in every, most, some, a few … well, some blogs are posting it it. it. Let's hope the black voters read pjmedia.com, huh?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-12   10:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: misterwhite (#16)

Rodman's accusation that Kim was trying to use him to send messages to 0bama and that Rodman was outright rejected by 0bama is an interesting bit. Maybe 0bama missed his own chance to make peace in Korea.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-12   10:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative (#15)

I like Shapiro but he's been off his feed lately on a few topics.

I do sympathize with Ben Shapiro. He's at his best when he's pointing out the idiocy of certain policies, decisions, and actions. But when things are going well he loses his raison d'être.

Rush says something similar -- that if the mainstream media did their job and reported honestly and fairly, talk- show hosts like him wouldn't exist.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-12   10:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Tooconservative (#17)

Rodman's accusation that Kim was trying to use him to send messages to 0bama and that Rodman was outright rejected by 0bama is an interesting bit.

Oh, I don't know. We ARE talking about Dennis Rodman. If he came to me with a report that the sky was blue I'd look outside to double-check.

But we ARE also talking about Mr. Community Organizer, I-won't-release-my-grades, "corpse"-man Obama who wouldn't recognize an opportunity if presented with one. His legacy was going to be Obamacare, the doorway to social medicine.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-12   10:42:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: misterwhite (#19)

Oh, I don't know. We ARE talking about Dennis Rodman. If he came to me with a report that the sky was blue I'd look outside to double-check.

But we ARE also talking about Mr. Community Organizer, I-won't-release-my-grades, "corpse"-man Obama who wouldn't recognize an opportunity if presented with one.

I see no reason to distrust Rodman more than 0bama. Look at all the lies we caught 0bama in, sometimes unnecessary lies, lying for the fun of it apparently.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-12   10:46:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Tooconservative (#0)

This is a good thing. I never understood our endless hostility with North Korea. I served in uniform for a year in the ROK/South Korea and have souvenir items to show for it.

Great going Trump!

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-06-12   10:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Tooconservative (#20)

I see no reason to distrust Rodman more than 0bama.

I believe Rodman truly believes what he's saying. I don't distrust Rodman. I do distrust his naïveté. (I'll take foreign words and phrases for 200, Alex)

Obama just flat-out lies.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-12   11:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Fred Mertz (#21)

Germany reunited. So did Vietnam. No good reason why Korea can't.

Great going Trump!

A long way to go but a good start. And Trump pointed out he gave up nothing in return so far.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-12   11:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: CZ82 (#2)

The US does need to keep some bases scattered out around the world for rapid response purposes, otherwise you'll have more and more Benghazi's.

The US is going to stay on Okinawa and the other island bases they have been on in the Pacific ever since WW-2.

"Rapid Response" has a completely different meaning in 2018 than it had in 1938.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-12   11:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

Europe and Asia should be paying us for the defense we provide. We should be profiting from it.

No,we should be breaking even. Our military isn't a mercenary army for hire.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-12   11:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Tooconservative (#9)

Perhaps a neutral Korea with its status guaranteed by a real treaty with China and America.

North Korea will never be neutral as long as Fat Boy rules,and China needs them as a speed bump.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-12   11:08:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: misterwhite (#14)

Trump is trying to stop a madman from nuking LA and is looks as though he's succeeding. Personally, that's the human rights abuse I'd like to avoid.

I'm kinda on the border about that one. It's not like LA is REALLY a part of America.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-12   11:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Fred Mertz (#21)

This is a good thing. I never understood our endless hostility with North Korea.

It's easy to understand. North Korea was still at a state of war with South Korean,and by extension the US,and I know for a fact they were sending armed saboteurs into South Korea to assassinate people,blow up infrastructure,etc,etc,etc. Some guys I knew in the 1st SFG from Okie were there on a joint training mission with the SK Special Forces,and killed a dozen or so of the bastards swimming across a river and pulling rubber rafts full of weapons and explosives. I wasn't there,but I did see the photos some friends of mine took that were there.

And that's not even addressing the political sabotage.

The details are fuzzy now,but I SEEM to remember that him or his pappy even sent assassins or saboteurs to the US once back in the 60's. They were rounded up virtually the moment they got here and did no damage,but he did try. Somebody must have whispered something in the ears of the people behind that because AFAIK they never tried it again.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-12   11:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete (#28)

Yeah, okay.

I remember Captain Boniface and the tree trimming incident leading to his brutal death.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-06-12   11:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Even if Kim wiggles out of it later, Trump has done more on Korea than any prez since Ike.

It is still unlikely that Kim actually does denuclearize and sign a peace treaty but it is possible.

Exactly what you said.

Trump DID make the meeting happen with Kim, negotiated a concession for denuclearization (even if reneged upon,) create the chance for bigger and better things to happen -- which may or may not be the case. BUT no matter what, he's taken the football where NO Prez in our lifetime has -- met and shaken hands with a NORK Leader and advanced peace there.

The Hammer's people skills are off the chart.

What the Fake MSM will NOT report: 0bama could never have pulled this off. He's got an amateurish "people-skills" that fool only idiots. To serious people he sets off a Bullsh*t-Meter from a thousand miles away. His insincere-sincerity vibe is sussed out immediately by any serious negotiator, which is why the only "Let's Make A Deal" card Zero played with was, "HERE'S A CASH PALETTE".

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-12   12:01:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Fred Mertz, WW III averted, Paul Pompeo 2020, *2020 The Likely Suspects* (#21)

Mission Accomplished, Trump in a Lock Box, war games halted.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-06-12   12:11:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Vicomte13, CZ82 (#3)

We won't have Benghazis if we don't practice ridiculous Rambo diplomacy.

There was no reason for the US Ambassador to be in a compound trying to sell arms to quasi-terrorists.

BINGO on that second statement.

That "Ambassador" was a "Candy-Man" arms coordinator/pusher for the terrorists being pimped by Hitlery-0bama on two-for-one black-op/$$$ mission. "Diplomacy" had nothing to do with the Benghazi candy-store.

The "Rambo" part (as depicted in the movie '13 Hours' (great flick btw) was only in total desperate defense for their lives as Hitlery and 0bama hung the outpost and operators out to dry.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-12   12:12:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#28)

Interesting account of NORK stuff that's never reported.

We apparently have NO idea of the stress and danger of having that kind of lunatic as a "neighbor". But NOTHING can worst than being an Israeli surrounded by that type of insanity.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-12   12:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: sneakypete (#25)

No,we should be breaking even. Our military isn't a mercenary army for hire.

Not suggesting that it should be for hire. There's a difference between wages and tribute.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-06-12   14:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All, Liberator, Vicomte13 (#23) (Edited)

Trump took an iPad with this film to Singapore and showed this film to Kim.

I see that Trump also briefly showed Kim his Beast limo, Kim was impressed.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-12   14:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Liberator (#33)

We apparently have NO idea of the stress and danger of having that kind of lunatic as a "neighbor". But NOTHING can worst than being an Israeli surrounded by that type of insanity.

I'm guessing that is a case of "six for one,and a half-dozen for the other one."

The most obvious exception being that only China was pushing NK to make waves,and every commie bastard on the planet was using Palestinians for cannon fodder for political purposes.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-12   17:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Vicomte13 (#34)

Not suggesting that it should be for hire. There's a difference between wages and tribute.

Yes,but as you know,perception is often more important than reality when talking about politics.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-12   17:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: CZ82 (#4)

I wasn't referring to that part of what happened I was referring to no help close by to respond to or help deter terrorist attacks against any country, it's not all just about the US.

If there is peace between the two Koreas I'm sure Japan will be more than willing to offer up some real estate to expand our presence there.

redleghunter  posted on  2018-06-12   17:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Tooconservative (#11)

Simple and taking it slowly. The ROK leadership seem to be in support so far. Any security assurance the US gives involves restraining the ROKs.

redleghunter  posted on  2018-06-12   17:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#37)

Yes,but as you know,perception is often more important than reality when talking about politics.

Politics, or anything else.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-06-12   18:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: redleghunter (#38)

If there is peace between the two Koreas I'm sure Japan will be more than willing to offer up some real estate to expand our presence there.

I doubt any agreement will include the US leaving S.Korea altogether probably reducing total personnel to 10,000 or so. Besides I think we already have 20+ bases in and around Japan so don't really think that would happen.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2018-06-13   7:06:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: sneakypete (#24)

"Rapid Response" has a completely different meaning in 2018 than it had in 1938.

True, but when you currently don't have the assets needed to perform the mission it's a mission in name only. Money cutbacks have taken a big chunk out of the military's capabilities and that needs to be restored.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2018-06-13   7:12:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

Umm we have more troops currently stationed in Asia than we do in Europe, back when I was in it was the other way around because of the USSR still being a superpower and a threat. Which she is trying to become again so I wouldn't be in such a big hurry to pull them out and spend/waste the money saved on programs for street urchins and porch monkeys. (You know that useless War on Poverty the Leftards and weak minded love to spend money on, faux empathy). I also have a sneaking suspicion it may get put to use in Europe sooner than later because of all of the dumbass governments letting in massive amounts of Muslims.

Having a strong military serves many functions with the 2 biggest being safety for this country and our friends around the world, and serves as a vehicle for those in poverty to escape it. Where else can you get a skill that can transform your life, get an education, a retirement, healthcare, discipline, 3 squares, clothes and shelter by just signing on the dotted line? Not any street corner or corporation that I know of. So criticizing it without really knowing about it isn't very wise.

I also know the military sometimes spends money unwisely and that needs to be addressed BTA so do many companies, governments and corporations around the world. Look at how many of them contribute money to politicians, talk about a total waste of funds you might as well pile it up and burn it...

And yes I agree some of these other countries need to help foot the bill, they can start by paying us to continue our presence there.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2018-06-13   7:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Fred Mertz (#29)

I remember Captain Boniface and the tree trimming incident leading to his brutal death.

Even the "America is always wrong" crowd had a hard time defending that one.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-13   9:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: hondo68 (#31)

Mission Accomplished, Trump in a Lock Box, war games halted.

You really need to hire a taster to make sure nobody is putting LSD in your food or water.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-06-13   9:20:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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