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Title: Supreme Court sides with Colorado baker who refused to make wedding cake for same-sex couple
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... -cake-for-same-sex-couple.html
Published: Jun 4, 2018
Author: Bill Mears, Judson Berger
Post Date: 2018-06-04 10:42:06 by Justified
Keywords: None
Views: 3046
Comments: 21

The Supreme Court ruled Monday in favor of a Colorado baker who refused to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

In a 7-2 decision, the justices set aside a Colorado court ruling against the baker -- while stopping short of deciding the broader issue of whether a business can refuse to serve gay and lesbian people.

At issue was a July 2012 encounter between the couple and baker Jack Phillips.

The battle has since developed into perhaps the most closely watched appeal so far this term before the high court.

At the time, Charlie Craig and David Mullins of Denver visited Masterpiece Cakeshop to buy a custom-made wedding cake. Phillips refused his services when told it was for a same-sex couple. A state civil rights commission sanctioned Phillips after a formal complaint from the gay couple.

Mullins has described their case as symbolizing “the rights of gay people to receive equal service in business … about basic access to public life."

But the Trump administration backed Phillips, who was represented in court by the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative Christian nonprofit. He had lost at every step in the legal appeals process, bringing the case down to the Supreme Court.

Phillips has said he lost business and had to let employees go because of the controversy.

And he has maintained that it’s his choice: "It's not about turning away these customers, it's about doing a cake for an event -- a religious sacred event -- that conflicts with my conscience," he said last year.

The court in December specifically examined whether applying Colorado's public accommodations law to compel the local baker to create commercial "expression" violated his constitutionally protected Christian beliefs about marriage. By wading again into the culture wars, the justices had to confront recent decisions on both gay rights and religious liberty: a 2015 landmark opinion legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide and a separate 2014 decision affirming the right of some companies to act on their owner's faith by refusing to provide contraception to its workers.

The Trump administration agreed with Phillips' legal claims to a large extent. Attorney General Jeff Sessions in October issued broad guidance to executive branch agencies, reiterating the government should respect religious freedom, which in the Justice Department's eyes extends to people, businesses and organizations.

But civil rights groups were concerned the conservative majority on the court may be ready to peel back protections for groups with a history of enduring discrimination – and predicted that giving businesses the right to refuse service to certain customers would undermine non-discrimination laws and hurt minorities.

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#6. To: Justified (#0)

Mullins has described their case as symbolizing “the rights of gay people to receive equal service in business … about basic access to public life."

This all started in 1964 with the U.S. Supreme Court case, Heart of Atlanta Motel, Inc. v. United States

"The Court held that the Commerce Clause allowed Congress to regulate local incidents of commerce, and that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed constitutional muster. The Court noted that the applicability of Title II was "carefully limited to enterprises having a direct and substantial relation to the interstate flow of goods and people. . ." The Court thus concluded that places of public accommodation had no "right" to select guests as they saw fit, free from governmental regulation."

A real bastardization of the Commerce Clause if I ever saw one. Stay at a different motel. Use a different baker. Geez Louise.

A private business is just that. Private. They should be allowed to accept or deny service to anyone, no matter the reason, and accept the results of that decision. No shirt, no shoes, no service works for me.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-04   11:18:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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A real bastardization of the Commerce Clause if I ever saw one. Stay at a different motel. Use a different baker. Geez Louise.

A private business is just that. Private. They should be allowed to accept or deny service to anyone, no matter the reason, and accept the results of that decision. No shirt, no shoes, no service works for me.

Race is different. The black white racial issue caused the Civil War, killed a million people, caused the Great Migration, and rendered America wretched for nearly two centuries.

By the 1960s one side had a sufficiently dominant political majority to simply impose the final solution on the other side: knock all of that shit off and shut up, forever.

The point of Heart of Atlanta - by explicitly making it a Commerce Clause issue, was to utterly extinguish private rights to be racist, in a black white sense.

You cannot enter the stream of commerce in America in the smallest town in the back of Alabama if you bar blacks. We know you're racist, but you cannot exercise that in business, because all commerce is interstate. That was the point. It was intended to be an absolute extinction of private business power on that issue. And it has worked out to be just that.

BECAUSE of the black-white issue in America and its history.

The whole racial segregation issue is a case apart, because of history.

The gays and others have tried to extend the case law and logic of the racial cases to everything else, but when they do that it is really offensive to a great deal more of the population, and ultimately gets limited in important ways.

There is a fundamental difference between not letting people rent a hotel room along the highway because the owners are bigots, and a baker not wanting to cook a cake for gays. The difference is that having black skin is a widespread thing that is not a moral or religious issue (and the people who claim it IS a religious issue are an evil minority who can be - and have been - completely legally disregarded - freedom of religion is also limited by the black-white thing in America, because of history), while gay marriage is a small beer thing that IS a religious issue.

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