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The Establishments war on Donald Trump Title: A trade war Canada will lose to its larger, louder counterpart [Trump] Presumably Donald Trump was warned of the furious response he could expect from the United States trading partners were he to proceed with his threatened tariffs on their exports of aluminum and steel. He went ahead and did so anyway. This is one problem with trade wars: they seek to achieve in retrospect what they failed to achieve in prospect. Were he likely to have been deterred by retaliatory tariffs, of the kind that Canada, Mexico and the European Union have just applied to a fantastic assortment of U.S. goods, he would have been already. And yet, deterrence having so conspicuously failed, they feel obliged to carry out the threat regardless. It is difficult to see how the reality of a trade war is more likely to succeed than the anticipation, especially when dealing with a man who tweets trade wars are good and easy to win. Perhaps its advocates are right to believe that retaliatory tariffs will so focus congressional and public anger on Trump, notably in the states most affected, that he will be forced into a humiliating retreat. Perhaps Trump is right to calculate that people do not necessarily put cause and effect together quite so logically his people in particular. They may even be moved to rally around their besieged (as they see it) president and country. Wasnt it precisely to fight back against these scheming foreigners, with their long history of preying upon American naivety, that Trump hit them with the tariffs in the first place? At any rate, while we are testing this theory, matching the U.S. tariffs we decry as madness and ruin with mad, ruinous tariffs of our own, it is our consumers and businesses who will be the victims. This is the other problem with trade wars. In a real war, the guns are pointed at the other guys. But tariffs are self-inflicted wounds. This is a hard point to get across in the heat of battle. Suggest that retaliation is unlikely to work against them and certain to hurt us, and the response is a volley of patriotic oaths: We have to do something! So youre saying we should just sit there and take it? You have to stand up to a bully! Why dont you just take out U.S. citizenship then? It is neither appeasement nor treason to refrain from costly, futile measures that at best are unlikely to succeed and at worst will trigger an escalating series of attacks and counter-attacks. It is simply facing facts. The U.S. economy is more than 10 times as large as ours. Its exports to Canada account for two per cent of its GDP; our exports to them are 25 per cent of ours. Even in concert with the other countries targeted, it is unlikely that we can cause Trump to alter course, for the simple reason that he is Trump. A normal president in possession of a rational mind might well be dissuaded by the united opposition of much of the democratic world. Trump is not that president. If he were he would not have slapped the tariffs on us in the first place, in open defiance not just of economic sense or international trade law, but of the very military security invoked as its justification. This is a point that bears repeating. The sheer enormity of Trump, the impossible combination of every conceivable malignant quality in one man comprehensive ignorance, pathological dishonesty, thoroughgoing corruption, and a seeming determination to use his time in office to cause as much damage in as many ways as he possibly can is a constant invitation to denial. The mind does not want to believe what the eyes and ears are telling it, that an emotionally disturbed man-child has control of the White House. But its true. The nightmare is real. It is folly, then, to expect him to respond as other presidents might. What we can do is learn from this experience. Trump cannot be reasoned with, and he cannot be appeased; he can be flattered, but not with any expectation it will be repaid. His word is worth nothing, and while he can be frightened or bought, he absolutely cannot be relied upon. He will do what he will do, and there isnt a lot the rest of us can do about it. This goes far beyond the odd tariff. It was evident from the start that Trump represented a total break with all previous norms and expectations of how a president should behave or what he should believe in. Among those norms, it is now incontrovertible, is much of the international order successive American presidents helped to build over many decades. Poster Comment: Trump will crush that Trudeau punk and make him cry. Trump wants to dump NAFTA and have one treaty with Canada, a separate treaty with Mexico. And they will lose a lot more than we will in any trade war. And they know it, just as they know that Trump will not be deterred or appeased or bought off.
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One thing often forgotten. Sanctions might work in such case. But ... If you sanction ten such countries or twenty then it becomes less clear who is sanctioning whom.
Trump is applying pressure on multiple fronts. It multiplies his leverage. The Orange One is executing a multifaceted foreign policy. We haven't seen anything like this in a long time, really since Reagan helped hasten the Soviet collapse with JP2 and Thatcher. Not even the two Gulf Wars were as big as what Trump is trying to do.
And multiplies the risk of blowback. He might win, at least in the short/middle term. I suspect he loves poker and hates chess. Do you like poker, TC?
Really? Trump could do a lot of things that people have considered unthinkable. Trump could cause the EU to dissolve. It's very weak. Trump could make NATO non-functional (like the EU's members could get any more disfunctional other than a handful like the nervous Baltics, Poland, Czechs) and bring our troops and planes out. Trump is not going to quit until he wins. He will do things no other president, even Nixon, would dare. Trump is going to make you guys an offer you can't refuse.
That's because he is focused more on the history books than repaying favors to other pols and corporate donors. In FACT,he doesn't even own any political favors. Those he got before he became president he paid cash for,so the people he paid are in no position to make demands. There is NOTHING more important to Trump than how successful his presidency is seen in the history books,and if when they are written they say he accomplished great things DESPITE even most of the professional pols in his own party trying to block him,it will just be cream in his coffee.
Exactly so. He owes no one anything except the people who voted for him. And he clearly knows it.
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