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Title: War Erupts Between Italy's Government And Soros: "You Profited From The Death Of Hundreds Of People"
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ZeroHedge
URL Source: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018 ... profited-death-hundreds-people
Published: Jun 3, 2018
Author: Tyler Durden
Post Date: 2018-06-03 16:48:03 by Tooconservative
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Views: 3993
Comments: 30
A feud has broken out between liberal billionaire activist and fervent Clinton supporter, George Soros, and Italy's anti-immigrant League party, which on Friday formed a populist movement in coalition with the 5-Star party, and whose leader Matteo Salvini stepped into his new job as Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior on Friday, pledging to deport hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants. Salvini's League and the 5-Star Movement struck a deal Thursday on a coalition government which will work towards "putting Italians first" (and potentially making life for Europe a living hell with the ongoing threat of Quitaly, which according to JPMorgan may be Rome's best outcome), ending five days of market volatility and political chaos. In response, George Soros flipped out, openly suggesting that Salvini might be financed by Vladimir Putin, saying he is "very worried about Russia's influence on Europe in general and on the new Italian government." "I do not know if Salvini was funded by Moscow, but the public has a right to know" said Soros. Soros translated: Any government who puts their citizens ahead of migrants is now a Putin puppet. The League's economics policy chief, Claudio Borghi hit back against Soros, stating (translated): "The wind has changed for [Soros] and for all those who have profited from the deaths of hundreds of people." Soros also admits in Italy's Corriere della Sera newspaper that the League's growing influence is a reflection on "Europe's flawed migration policies that imposed an unfair burden on Italy." His solution? Instead of resettling the migrants, the EU needs to pay Italy. “It follows from the voluntary principle that the problem ... cannot be addressed by forced resettlement, but only by the EU financially compensating Italy for the migrants that land there,” wrote Soros, who also warned “There is a strong inclination in Europe to use the occasion [of the new government] to teach Italy a lesson ... If the EU follows this line, it will dig its own grave by provoking a negative response from the Italian electorate, which would then re-elect Movimento 5 Stelle and Lega Nord with an increased majority.” Italy is far from the first European nation to reject Soros's open border ideology. He said: “Forcibly relocating [migrants] to other countries is neither possible nor desirable. Other countries, particularly Poland and Hungary, would strenuously resist ... I have always advocated that the allocation of refugees within Europe should be entirely voluntary.” -The Guardian Poland and the Czech Republic have also notably resisted Soros's policies. Ironically, the globalist establishment's stiff resistance against Salvini and Europe's populist wave (which on Sunday, swept across Slovenia where the anti-immigration SDS party soundly won the local elections) continues to backfire, and as Bloomberg reports, public support for the League strengthened as polls showed Salvini's party narrowing the lead of its ally, the Five Star Movement, to less than 2%. And with Italy set to send back hundreds of thousands of immigrants to neighboring liberal European countries, we can only wonder how an "enlightened" and "progressive" Europe will get along with their new migrant residents the next time the global economy coughs up a hairball and people start to pay closer attention to where their tax dollars are going. Poster Comment: Only two days on the job and Italy's new leader is already taking aim at Soros. I'm delighted!
Matteo Salvini, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior +++ George Soros : “gli italiani hanno diritto a sapere se Salvini è finanziato da Putin, io sono molto preoccupato per influenze russe “+++ #economicfest — Stefano Feltri (@StefanoFeltri) June 3, 2018 "Soros worried by the Italian government? Then it means that we are going in the right direction... We understand that those who have speculated for years on the skin of immigrants, financing NGOs and smugglers to invade Italy. BORGHI – LEGA: REPLICA A SOROS: “ IL VENTO È CAMBIATO, SE NE FACCIANO UNA RAGIONE COLORO CHE HANNO GUADAGNATO SULLA MORTE DELLE PERSONE “ https://t.co/uZETxii0RY — Claudio Borghi A. (@borghi_claudio) June 3, 2018 Most markedly, Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán, based his successful re-election campaign this year on attacking a supposed “Soros plan” to flood Hungary with Muslim migrants. In his opinion piece, Soros rubbishes the accusation as “false and ridiculous”. Support for the anti-immigrant League grew to 28.5 percent, compared with 17.4 percent of votes received in March 4 general elections, according to an Ipsos poll published Saturday in Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera. Luigi Di Maio’s anti-establishment Five Star saw its support fall slightly to 30.1 percent from 32.7 percent of ballots on March 4, according to the poll.
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#4. To: Tooconservative (#0)
This IS great news. Yes, for Soros to be this much a priority as a key impediment from freedom on Day 2 tells us Italy is fed up. Now if they and the Hungarians can join forces and assets. This movement to evict Soros from the planet is looong overdue. (Imagine had the Deep State NOT wasted their rep, time and resources fake-demonizing Trump and instead going after the guilty-as-sin Soros?)
Italy still has a lot of external debt. However, the danger to the EU (Germany's central bank) is that they might leave the EU, go back to the lira, then stall for years on repaying the debt or just stiff the Germans completely. Notice that link about JPMorgan saying that Quitaly might be Rome's best option. Man, does that have to make the EUrocrats insane to think about. Quitaly, after Brexit, could finish off the EU completely. Not overnight but over the course of a few years. And Brussels/Germany know full well that Italy may see it as in their interests to leave. Even the threat of leaving gives them a lot of leverage against Brussels, hence the demand that the EU pay Italy for all those migrants. And the EU might just give in.
And Brussels/Germany know full well that Italy may see it as in their interests to leave. Even the threat of leaving gives them a lot of leverage against Brussels, hence the demand that the EU pay Italy for all those migrants. And the EU might just give in. The fly in the ointment is that the Italian people do not want to leave the EU or the Euro. The Italian President rejected the original coalition government because the Finance Minister chosen by the 5 Star/League Alliance was a vocal Euroskeptic, and that runs directly contrary to both the Italian constitution and the will of about 4/5ths of Italians. So the alliance coalition had to go back and put together a new cabinet. Bottom line: zero chance of Quitaly. The fringes want that, but the people don't.
That was true in the past. I don't think it still is. If that was true, this new Italian government -- Europe's first modern populist government -- could never have won. Their election was like an eruption of Vesuvius in EU politics, following the election of the new Austrian government and the continued belligerence of Poland/Romania/Hungary and Austria (a little more quietly). Toss in Italy and you have quite a bloc resisting Brussels. You might go look at the linked article on the structure of various types of debt by Italy as compared to the other trouble spot, Spain. Italy has considerable incentives financially to leave. Their economy would greatly improve, almost overnight. And they could stall the repayment of debt to Germany, let inflation whittle it down, even possibly renegotiate it. No, Quitaly is not impossible. And the Italians are fed up, just like Americans were fed up with our two parties and their Beltway solutions which is how we got Trump. Nothing else could have elected someone like him.
If that was true, this new Italian government -- Europe's first modern populist government -- could never have won. You're misreading the situation. The Italian people by huge margins do not want to quit the EU or the Euro. They want the illegal immigration to stop. They want the waves of immigrants to be shipped out all across Europe, and not face the flooding of their own country, at their own expense, and with the loss of their own culture. That is why they voted for 5 Stars, which is Left wing, and The League, which is right wing. Those parties are really unnatural allies. What they have in common is an Italy for the Italians view, and a feeling that the governments have not listened to the people. They won because of immigration and cultural issues. But the Italian people do not want the fundamental disruption of the economy and their lives that EU-exit or leaving the Euro would inflict. Yes, the two parties that won have important members who want that, but they didn't get elected on that basis. The people voted for these two to control immigration, NOT to blow up the economy and take Italy out of the Union. So, when 5 Stars and the League set about forming a coalition, and put extreme Euroskeptic Savona up to be finance minister, the Italian President nixed the government on that basis. He did not face a backlash from the Italian people. Rather, he was executing the will of the Italian people. To be clear, the leaders of the League would, deep down inside, love to dump the EU, and 5 Stars would live to dump the Euro and go back to the lira, and take off all of those external governance spending restrictions. But the Italian people don't want those things. They didn't vote for that. The Italian President acted on their behalf and nixed the coalition government, which had to reform without Savona as Finance Minister. Also, both 5 Stars and The League have publicly affirmed their commitment to remaining in the Euro - because they recognized that they were not going to be permitted to form a government AT ALL if they did not concede that point. There are many different analyses out there right now, and it is much up in the air. You will find over time that, as with my analysis of Trump's prospects of success in the election cycle, and with my analysis of the Crimean situation back after Sochi, that while many different voices said what could happen, that what I said WOULD happen is what happened. Italy will not be leaving the Euro, because the supermajority of the Italian people want to remain in it.
Rock-Meet-Hard-Place. Brussels has been paying off Italian politicians in exchange for green-lighting this ongoing massive Jihadist Invasion into the EU heartland. Italians realized they, their freedom and sovereignty were being sold out in the process. I don't believe this move "blows-up" Italy's economy. It blows up the Gravy-Train for it's corrupt politicians. This vote *was* indeed a blacklash against the status quo. And IF Soros wasn't heavily financing the other side's propaganda, the backlash would have been much worse. (Orban and Hungary know exactly how the Soros-Factor plays into destroying truth and liberty.)
It was a vote against the status quo, that is certainly true. It was not, however, a vote to pull Italy out of the Euro. Some of the leaders of The League and the 5 Stars movement want to pull out of the Euro, and they made a bid towards that by trying to put a Euroskeptic in as Finance Minister, but they were going a bridge too far. They knew they did not have a mandate to do that, they know that the public opinion polls in Italy skew 80?20 in favor of keeping the Euro. So when the President refused to accept their coalition government, they did not buck and fight. They came back with a new government, without a Euroskeptic finance minister, and they pledged not to try to pull Italy out of the Euro. So the parties themselves understand that, while THEY want to exit Europe, or at least the Euro, the Italian people don't, and their new opportunity to govern is a mandate by the Italians to get the immigration and crime problem under control, not a mandate to take Italy out of Europe. They know it, and they are acting accordingly.
How can we be sure of exactly how the Italians feel about remaining in the EU? The European MSM is as trustworthy as the American MSM. At minimum this was a shot across the bow of the EU and its coercive suicidal social policy. At best for its people, it may wind up as a genuine mandate. No, this wasn't a clear "mandate" from the Italian voters but neither has the EU any mandate NOR consent to flood Italy, other sovereign nations, provinces, and towns with Jihadi riff-raff, rapists, and squatters. One main reason the EU is disturbed by Itaian political reaction is the Hungarians are already denying Muzzies a route through their sovereign territory. Let's be honest -- there is no compromise on "getting the immigration and crime problem under control". My analysis: The existing Muzzies either behave or this ends in a blood-bath. Moreover, EU-mandated invasion route either circumvent Italy's border OR the anger and backlash to the EU will grow into Italy withdrawing from the EU. So exactly what is the EU's solution? I mean other than criminalizing dissent and economically blackmailing Italy (and other EU nations?) As far as the EU is concerned, "acting accordingly means, "Rome has spoken".
#29. To: Liberator (#27)
Again you're misunderstanding. This election WAS a clear and unambiguous statement by the Italian electorate on both the Left (5 Stars) and the Right (The League) that the Italians have had it with Italy's immigration policy and the EU policy that drives it. They expect the new coalition government, which is an alliance roughly akin to Nancy Pelosi and Ted Cruz forming a coalition, to directly address the immigration issue and bring it under control, and to hell with the EU on the subject. THAT is what the voters voted for. What they did NOT vote for was Italy leaving the EU and dumping the Euro. The Italians have directed their government to defy the EU and break EU immigration policy - whatever it takes - in order to get their country back under control. They have not voted to secede, however. These are not Germanic people. The idea of flagrantly disregarding one set of laws while enforcing and following other laws does not give them pause. They assume, correctly, that Europe can do nothing if they throw out immigration policy and do what they want. They assume that Europe cannot do anything to them if they do. They want the BENEFIT of being in Europe (the Euro, etc.) without the intolerable immigration law of Europe, and so they intend to pick and choose which laws they will obey, and which laws they will ignore. That is what they have voted for, and that's what the new government will do, once it gets seated. Some members of that new government want to pull out Europe completely, but that's their idiosyncratic desire: the electorate that voted for them does not want that, and would not tolerate them doing it.
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#6. To: Liberator (#4)
...Italy is fed up. Now if they and the Hungarians can join forces and assets.
#9. To: Tooconservative (#6)
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Quitaly, after Brexit, could finish off the EU completely. Not overnight but over the course of a few years.
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#9)
The fly in the ointment is that the Italian people do not want to leave the EU or the Euro.
#12. To: Tooconservative (#11)
(Edited)
That was true in the past. I don't think it still is.
#17. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#12)
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The people voted for these two to control immigration, NOT to blow up the economy and take Italy out of the Union. So, when 5 Stars and the League set about forming a coalition, and put extreme Euroskeptic Savona up to be finance minister, the Italian President nixed the government on that basis. He did not face a backlash from the Italian people. Rather, he was executing the will of the Italian people.
#24. To: Liberator (#17)
#27. To: Vicomte13 (#24)
It was a vote against the status quo, that is certainly true. It was not, however, a vote to pull Italy out of the Euro.
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