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Title: FBI Agent Accidentally Discharges Firearm
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/0 ... ncing-at-denver-nightclub.html
Published: Jun 3, 2018
Author: Katherine Lam
Post Date: 2018-06-03 11:57:31 by misterwhite
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Views: 19903
Comments: 109
An off-duty FBI agent accidentally fired his gun, striking another patron in the leg, at a Denver nightclub while he was dancing early Saturday, police said. (Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
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#69. To: Tooconservative (#68)
In my retirement job, I actually have opportunity to work with more of the feds (mostly FBI and ATF) than I ever did in my NYS job. In fact, it was a retired ATF agent that interviewed me for my current job... and he’s since resigned. The Feds do a good job at what they do... but most wouldn’t make it in the state and local department level, handling all kinds of calls with the local dysfunctional natives.
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Something very significant has happened with BATFE in the last 10 years or so, something no one seems to write about. They allowed bump stocks, they allowed the "arm braces" on certain weapons (Sig's MPX/MCX and others), they're apparently allowing the unrifled Franklin Armory not-an-SBR to be classified as a "firearm" and not an SBR rifle, etc. They are still too slow at processing permits for restricted firearms like full-autos, SBRs and suppressors but that is just as likely to be bureaucratic sloth as any actual opposition to issuing the permits. And they still charge the same fee for full-auto permits as they did back in the Thirties. They seem to issue these various permits willy-nilly but it takes 6-12 months to get the permits. 10 years ago, we would have thought that Wayne LaPierre had instituted a hostile takeover of the BATFE if they had done these things. You don't even see the regular BATFE bashing by the gun sites and they used to be jampacked with BATFE-hate posts. Some of this undoubtedly started under Bush but most of it happened under 0bama (the greatest firearms salesman in the history of America). There has been a real sea change, mostly unnoticed, in BATFE and how it treats the public and how it is perceived by gunowners. Anyway, it is something no one seems to write about but it is remarkable. A little shocking even. Hell's bells, hardly anyone even mentions BATFE any more other than bitching about how long it takes to get a suppressor or SBR permit.
MY biggest disappointment with the FBI came when it was revealed the FBI Crime Lab routinely altered evidence to get convictions. That was when I started calling them "Feebs". Still,I am inclined to believe they have more honest and upright field agents that take their jobs and their oaths seriously than any other LEO in the world. Providing you get away from the "Career Glamour" field offices,that is. The brass in those places are nothing but career politicians.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Good point. They are a specialized police agency and don't normally deal with nutcases getting messages from their dead dog on Jupiter.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
What's a SBR? I am GUESSING some sort of battle rifle,but it's just a guess.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Short Barreled Rifle. They don't put real stocks on them to evade the restrictions. Because an arm brace isn't a stock legally. And no one forced the BATFE to issue that classification. As with bump stocks, they could easily have regulated these off the market. But they chose not to. Put a real stock on it, the same length, and it is an SBR and has to have a matching federal license, just like a suppressor or machine gun would. Sell it with an arm brace and it's legal almost anywhere. For some time, no one would post a video on YouBoob showing them cradling the "arm brace" to their shoulder because it was supposed to be just an arm brace to be legal. So they would only video it if the "arm brace" was held an inch from their shoulder. Obviously, it's all just a way to avoid BATFE restrictions based on that old list of the characteristics of ATF "black scary guns" from the AWB ban back in the Nineties. BATFE just is not the same bunch they were 20 years ago. Of course, these are essentially pistol-caliber AR-15 guns with matching controls. Notice that the "arm brace" typically folds to the left while the gun remains fully functional. So it is a very short They're pricey but people love 'em. I just shopped for one this last week but I'm not gonna give in to the thrill.
Pistol-caliber carbines. Bleech! I predict the arm brace will go the way of the bump stock as a device which takes advantage of a loophole in the law. Pay the one-time $200 NFA tax for the SBR and be done with it.
They're cute! And a very cute way for the firearms industry to turn some extra pistol parts into another AR-15 market. You have to give the gun industry some credit for inventing entirely new categories of civilian firearms.
I guess they are ok for people that like them,but I like rifles chambered for rifle cartridges. I know this practically makes me a Neanderthall,but I LOVE bolt-action rifles. Give me something starting with a 300 H&H with a 26 inch barrel in a Winchester receiver,and I will do my little happy dance. I did have a pretty sweet one based on a 700 Remington action once. Never did trust the safety,though. I once built a 375 caliber Siamese Mauser that was based on a blown out 348 Winchester case that was pretty impressive. Effectively,it was a 375 H & H on a medium action. I ended up giving it to a friend that said he was interested in shooting it,but AFAIK,it has never left his gun cabinet.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Not at all. Lots of shooters start with these cheaper .223 tactical rifles but end up selling them to buy bolt-action rifles. You don't have to look far on the gun sites to find used AR-15s, fully outfitted and set up to be very accurate, with the ad saying that it never leaves the gun cabinet any more and they're selling it to get into bolt-action shooting. The reverse is almost never seen. It seems that no one sells their bolt-actions to buy anything except a better bolt-action rifle. Now we see the AR-15 crowd trying to cut into distance shooting out to 1300 yards with those newish Valkyrie .224 rounds. But those do cost over a dollar a round for good ammo, about twice what a good .308 bullet costs. And you still don't have the stopping power of any of the 30-cal rounds. It's surprising just how much those pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters cost. Anyway, I was surprised. They do have their fans.
Yup,and the most anal get into benchrest shooting. Which means they will NEVER be happy. It's surprising just how much those pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters cost. Anyway, I was surprised. They do have their fans. I think more people are collecting them these days than shooting them. I have an original Model 54 in 30/06 from the 30's,and nobody seems to be at all interested in it. Then again,I am not trying real hard to sell it. I want to sell it to a collector who will care for it and shoot it,not somebody looking for a receiver. I've owned the damn thing for over 30 years and never even shot it.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
It sounds like you are sort of one of those durned collectors yourself. : ) I inherited some guns from my dad that I never shoot. I've considered trading them in for something I would want to shoot. I looked them over a few days ago just to see their condition. Closet guns that haven't been shot or cleaned in ages aren't a good way to keep guns and what is the point of a gun you don't shoot and don't want to shoot? Browning Belgian, early to mid-Fifties, a little rust on it in the decorative engraving The shotguns are in rough condition IMO, probably worth $200-$300 each. The Model 74 is the only one I ever shot much, the only one with any sentimental value.
I recently restored a Stevens Model 70 "Visible Loader" (.22) that I got from my brother-in law. It was missing parts, parts were welded together, the barrel was rusted in spots. I ordered parts from all over the country, cleaned and blued them, and ended up with a beautiful gun that cost three times to restore than what it's worth. But it was fun.
I hear ya. This Belgian was so beautiful when I was a kid but it got those little rust spots, shows a few marks of dryness or friction, a little wood scuffing. I hate to think how much it would cost to make it a mint gun. You could spend a thousand or more and turn a $300 shotgun into a $600 shotgun. A shotgun that hadn't been fired since the mid-Eighties at that. Hell, I have maybe one box of shotgun shells and it isn't even full. If they were totally mint, I admit I would find it harder to part with them because I would think of them as collectibles. So your efforts to restore a .22 to mint condition might be appreciated by someone in the family some day. I'm kind of in the phase of "I kept too much of my parents' stuff for sentimental reasons". Naturally firearms were at the bottom of the list of things to get rid of but I have gotten a little tired of just seeing them sit in a closet too, especially if I don't want to shoot them. I keep thinking how much more I would enjoy having a gun that I actually want and would take out to shoot X many times a year. And those shotguns should find a home with someone who wants to actually shoot them, maybe end up parted out to keep someone else's family gun in working order. I just question the value of guns that do nothing but sit in a closet for decades.
I’ve got an old side by side 20 gauge (model 311) that ain’t worth putting money into. Might cut the barrels down to just past legal... and use it as an anti trespassing potato gun.
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Not a bad gun to give to some younger family member. I just don't have any that shoot any guns or who don't already have much nicer guns. I only have one nephew who shoots at all.
Yeah,it does seem that way. When I look at it,I see history. I should sell it,but am not really interested in selling it to anyone who doesn't appreciate it for what it is.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
True,but they are always high on the "Hey,I gotta gun I'd be willing to trade for that if you're interested." list. People tend to see trading as "free" because no money changes hands,and lots of people would trade for a gun that would never consider buying one. And why not,when they can get it "for free"? I once let a guy talk me into trading a ratty AMC Hornet I had just bought the day before for $150 cash,in exchange for a factory 700 Remington in 300 H&H Magnum that looked new and shot one ragged hole at 100 yards,a TC with the 44 Magnum and .223 barrels and scope,and 100 bucks. Sounds odd,but you have to understand this was late Dec in Denver,the second winter I had been riding my bike to work and school,and we were getting hit with a blizzard. It ain't a lot of fun getting out of school at midnight and discovering 8 inches of snow on the ground and the air temp is in the 20's not counting wind chill,and you have to ride a Harley 8+ miles to get home. Still,the next night I was riding my Harley to work and school,and once more looking for a beater car with windows and a heater.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
There is nothing wrong with those old Savage/Stevens side by sides. Damn good guns that were well made,but had cheap wood and a cheap finish.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
The Stevens Visible Loader is nicknamed the Miserable Loader. You have to completely assemble it to check clearances, then completely disassemble it to make adjustments. Wash, rinse, repeat. It's a $100 rifle (today's price) tha that that was given to boys in the early 1900's as their first rifle.
Stop it, I'm weeping here... LOL
Sounds pretty awful. : ) Isn't that like rebuilding an Edsel? Even if you do it perfect, no one will want it.
by Daniel Arkin Dance like the whole world is watching. An off-duty FBI agent who accidentally fired a gun that dropped out of its holster while he was doing a back-flip at a nightclub was booked into custody on Tuesday, jail records showed. Chase Bishop, 29, was being held in a detention center in downtown Denver. He faces charges for second-degree assault but he has not been formally charged.... [snip]
About time. If it was anyone else, they would have been in custody the entire time or until they made bail. It's the special treatment for an FBI agent that roils. The video leaves no doubt of his guilt in reckless endangerment resulting in injury.
I noticed a scary thread at that CCW site I just posted a thread from about Floriduh's CCW foul-up. *** Kinda bloody *** Don't look at this if your supper hasn't settled yet. He had an IWB holster (butt-holster), using Speer Gold Dot 9mm 115 grain +P+ ammo. ConcealedNation.org: When Bad Holsters Turn Worse: This Guy Took One Right In The A$$, Here’s Why A Proper Holster Is Essential I gotta say, he was pretty shameless about those photos and kept a good sense of humor. Apparently he really likes taking these photos. LOL [Yeah, I know GI has seen a lot worse in real life...] Too bad this wasn't the FBI's Dancing Queen.
Pretty cool... very colorful wound. Good thing it wasn’t stuffed inside his pant, under the belly button.
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I was horrified. LOL
I seriously doubt the ammo had anything to do with the accidental discharge -- yet we get details we don't need. Just out of curiosity -- because it may be somewhat important to the reason for the accidental discharge -- WHAT KIND OF GUN WAS IT? Did he modify the trigger? A "bunching t-shirt" was enough to set it off?
No powder burns.
Gold Dot is decent stuff... might have opened up the wound channel a little more than most hollow point ammo. I’m sure that gun fired due to an accidental finger on the trigger or something catching the trigger because the iwb holser didn’t cover the trigger. I only carry Federal HST ammo.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
You are right. I’ve seen much worse.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I was fascinated by how many rather lurid ass shots he took of himself. He was really into it, capturing all those funny camera angles, taking those shots where you could see all the way through the hole in his cheek, etc. I suppose he posted it all on Facebook too. Some idiot Millennial. They can't help themselves.
I noticed too but it occurred to me that he shot through the holster and that probably minimized the burns.
Try to set off the 12lb. trigger on my 642 with a "bunched up tshirt". Ain't gonna happen.
I carry a standard 5.5 pound pull on any Glock I carry. I too wear iwb holsters that provide zero weapon retention or much of a trigger guard. I’ve never had a problem with AD’s. Then again, I don’t do back flips in alcoholic beverage serving establishments, while packing Roscoe.
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Wasn't it the New York City police department that ordered all their Glocks modified to a 12-pound trigger pull because of AD's? And theirs are open carry in a fitted leather holster with strap by trained shooters.
NYPD add 5.5 pounds for a total of 11... and NYS Police add 3.5 pounds. The selling point for the increased pounds needed for trigger pull wasn’t to reduce AD’s... it was for lawsuit purposes, to show that these two police departments went to a greater length, to promote safety than even the gun manufacturer did. To get the sale of their gun in the worlds largest police department, Glock was happy to make the part needed to accommodate the requests.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Well, if Glock wants to get the sale of their gun in my pants, that's the trigger I'd want. Even better, a DA/SA set at 12/5. I'll adjust for the second shot. There are some nice ambidextrous pistols out there like that (not Glock).
I was gun shopping again and didn't even want to look at pistols but the gun store had some of those Tanfoglio handguns. Man, were those sweet. I loved the way they fit into my hand, so much nicer than those clunky German guns like Sig or even the Austrian Glocks. Just a sweet Italian design, really hugs your hand.
Both of my boys have the 9mm Canik TP9SFx with red dot sight. They love the 4 pound trigger, crisp reset, and slide charging handle. Full-size handgun, striker-fire, fun to shoot. Comes with loads of accessories. Under $500.
Turkish guns have an increasing reputation. I think that Tanfoglio just picked up a Turkish manufacturer for their product line as well. Handsome pistol. I see the one in the video is marketed by Century Arms of Vertmont. And that Made In Turkey logo is way too prominent. Too bad they aren't cultivating a more discreet style. They need to be more mindful of modern EU/USA standards for firearm markings.
What fires me up is the idea that some reckless shooting like this, especially by a trained and trusted government official
#70. To: GrandIsland, Liberator, sneakypete (#69)
(Edited)
In fact, it was a retired ATF agent that interviewed me for my current job... and he’s since resigned.
#71. To: Tooconservative (#68)
The FBI is not above the law. Watching how they keep trying to cover their own tracks, it is apparent that top FBI leadership does not consider itself as under the laws like everyone else.
#72. To: GrandIsland (#69)
but most wouldn’t make it in the state and local department level, handling all kinds of calls with the local dysfunctional natives.
#73. To: Tooconservative (#70)
They allowed bump stocks, they allowed the "arm braces" on certain weapons (Sig's MPX/MCX and others), they're apparently allowing the unrifled Franklin Armory not-an-SBR to be classified as a "firearm" and not an SBR rifle, etc.
#74. To: sneakypete, misterwhite (#73)
(Edited)
What's a SBR? I am GUESSING some sort of battle rifle,but it's just a guess.
full-auto semi-auto that can be used as small rifle as well. Bigger and more stable than a pistol, just long enough you can stabilize it better than a pistol, shoots cheap ammo including your supply of cheap 9mm bullets.
#75. To: Tooconservative (#74)
#76. To: misterwhite (#75)
Pistol-caliber carbines. Bleech!
#77. To: Tooconservative (#74)
Of course, these are essentially pistol-caliber AR-15 guns with matching controls.
#78. To: sneakypete (#77)
(Edited)
I know this practically makes me a Neanderthall,but I LOVE bolt-action rifles.
Give me something starting with a 300 H&H with a 26 inch barrel in a Winchester receiver,and I will do my little happy dance.
#79. To: Tooconservative (#78)
It seems that no one sells their bolt-actions to buy anything except a better bolt-action rifle.
#80. To: sneakypete, misterwhite (#79)
I've owned the damn thing for over 30 years and never even shot it.
Winchester Model 12 shotgun, Forties or Fifties gun
some crappy old single-shot .410 (Harrington & Richardson, Topper Model 158), can't imagine it's worth more than $100
Winchester Model 74, .22 short, made in 1942, decent shape, probably the most valuable of the bunch
#81. To: Tooconservative (#80)
Winchester Model 74, .22 short, made in 1942, decent shape, probably the most valuable of the bunch
#82. To: misterwhite (#81)
I ordered parts from all over the country, cleaned and blued them, and ended up with a beautiful gun that cost three times to restore than what it's worth.
#83. To: Tooconservative (#82)
#84. To: GrandIsland (#83)
I’ve got an old side by side 20 gauge (model 311) that ain’t worth putting money into.
#85. To: Tooconservative (#80)
(Edited)
It sounds like you are sort of one of those durned collectors yourself. : )
#86. To: Tooconservative (#82)
Naturally firearms were at the bottom of the list of things to get rid of
#87. To: GrandIsland (#83)
I’ve got an old side by side 20 gauge (model 311) that ain’t worth putting money into.
#88. To: Tooconservative (#82)
#89. To: sneakypete (#86)
I once let a guy talk me into trading a ratty AMC Hornet...
#90. To: misterwhite (#88)
The Stevens Visible Loader is nicknamed the Miserable Loader.
#91. To: Tooconservative (#39)
He really should have been arrested IMO. Reckless endangerment charges, maybe more depending on CO statutes.
FBI agent whose gun went off while doing dance backflip taken into custody
Jun.12.2018 / 2:01 PM ET / Updated 2:09 PM ET
#92. To: nolu chan (#91)
FBI agent whose gun went off while doing dance backflip taken into custody
#93. To: nolu chan, sneakypete, redleghunter, Liberator, GrandIsland, misterwhite (#91)
(Edited)
#94. To: Tooconservative (#93)
#95. To: GrandIsland (#94)
Pretty cool... very colorful wound.
#96. To: Tooconservative (#93)
"using Speer Gold Dot 9mm 115 grain +P+ ammo."
#97. To: GrandIsland (#94)
Pretty cool... very colorful wound
#98. To: misterwhite (#96)
(Edited)
#99. To: Tooconservative (#95)
#100. To: GrandIsland (#99)
You are right. I’ve seen much worse.
#101. To: misterwhite (#97)
No powder burns.
#102. To: GrandIsland (#98)
or something catching the trigger
#103. To: misterwhite (#102)
Try to set off the 12lb. trigger
#104. To: GrandIsland (#103)
I’ve never had a problem with AD’s.
#105. To: misterwhite (#104)
#106. To: GrandIsland (#105)
To get the sale of their gun in the worlds largest police department, Glock was happy to make the part needed to accommodate the requests.
#107. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland (#106)
Even better, a DA/SA set at 12/5. I'll adjust for the second shot. There are some nice ambidextrous pistols out there like that (not Glock).
#108. To: Tooconservative (#107)
#109. To: misterwhite (#108)
(Edited)
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