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Title: FBI Agent Accidentally Discharges Firearm
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Fox News
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/0 ... ncing-at-denver-nightclub.html
Published: Jun 3, 2018
Author: Katherine Lam
Post Date: 2018-06-03 11:57:31 by misterwhite
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Views: 16620
Comments: 109
An off-duty FBI agent accidentally fired his gun, striking another patron in the leg, at a Denver nightclub while he was dancing early Saturday, police said. (Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
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#1. To: All (#0)
Sookie, Sookie, Sookie, Sookie, Sookie, Sookie, BLAM. Bet it was a Glock.
Lawsuit time. It seems from the video that the gun fell out and went off when he picked it up to put it back in his holster. He was trying to a backflip for the crowd. He's kinda old to do backflips so it wasn't perfect but it was pretty good for a big man. Usually big guys have problems wrapping their height and mass fast enough to do any kind of backflip.
Light trigger.
I get the feeling you're not shopping for a Glock. Just a hunch...
Not for concealed carry with one in the chamber, no safety, and a 5-pound trigger. You can shoot your eye out. I'll settle for my S&W 642 with no safety but a 12-pound trigger (DA only). Leave the Glock in the bedside table drawer where you have time to rack a round.
I tend toward this with my Glock but others here tell me the pistol is considered unloaded unless it has a shell in the chamber at all times.
They're correct. It's a paperweight. But it's safe. You'll have plenty of time to "load" it if it is for self-defense in the home, given that all you have to do is pull the slide and release it. Who knows, the sound of you doing that may scare the intruder away.
A classic video to show why all these people keep telling us not to carry without a round in the chamber. This storeowner got himself and his son killed while trying to just get a round into the chamber.
I read another story where the bad guy was dragging the woman along by one arm. She got her weapon out but was unable to operate the slide to put one in the chamber. Paperweight.
At some point, I'll probably weaken and reconsider my habit of not keeping a bullet in the chamber in my bedroom gun. Some years back, my niece dropped by with her very busy and very snoopy toddlers. They got into everything, every closet, every drawer, etc. Regular pint-sized terrorists. After that, I worried about having a bullet in the chamber in that situation. Some kids aren't trained to never touch the guns. Anyway, hers weren't AFAIK.
Glocks don’t accidentally discharge on their own. If you follow the four basic firearm safety rules at all times, you’ll have no problems keeping the mag stuffed and “one up”.
This guy was a trained FBI agent with who knows how many hours of periodic classroom and range safety training. Yet he carried unholstered in the small of his back -- two big no-no's. Three, if it was a Glock. Yet he didn't follow the rules. Match the gun to the person.
It was an odd choice really. And that isn't the small of the back. It's a gun jammed in your asscrack. Ew. That's gross. It's a shame he didn't shoot himself instead of some poor bystander. And just walking away like nothing had happened after he had just discharged the gun and had no idea if someone was injured by it? The FBI should fire him for that alone. Complete recklessness with a firearm. He really should have been arrested IMO. Reckless endangerment charges, maybe more depending on CO statutes.
I agree. He’d had been charged if he worked for my old department or the current place I work out of.
Did you two notice how he tucked his ass-gun back into his butt-crack? He was wearing no belt which contributed to him dropping the gun to start with because his pants slid down low on his hips when he flipped. Then when he tried to put the gun back in, he only put it into his waistband down to (but not including) the trigger guard! Two-thirds of the gun and most of its weight was just floating loose above his waistband. And his shirt was untucked. He's lucky he didn't drop it again as he walked away. With an untucked shirt, it would drop on the floor again unless he was fast enough to catch it. Gee, Sherlock, no need to hide the gun now after you already shot somebody. And did you notice that no one has given out his name yet? What, are the FBI some protected class or something? Anyone else in America (including regular cops or soldiers) would have their names splashed all over the internet. But this guy? Apparently the FBI are too special to get named.
I hope the hot barrel burned his ass.
I just looked again. Is there some kind of mini-holster there on the waistband? It looks like something is there but I can't tell if it is a cellphone holder or mini-holster or something else. Whatever it is, it is doesn't look big enough to hold that gun securely. I think it might be just a cellphone case. Maybe your eyes are better than mine or you know more about back-holsters.
There's something back there. It could be an inside-the-waistband holster with the top sticking out.
At BearingArms, they had an update. The dancing fool has finally been ID'd: Attorney Frank Azar says the gunshot hit a main artery and his client could have bled to death. The owners of Mile High Spirits and Distillery say it was one of their quick-thinking security guards who took off his belt and applied a tourniquet to the victim’s leg. However, witnesses dispute the claim that it was a bar security guard who applied the tourniquet. A witness told Denver7’s Lance Hernandez that he used his belt to apply the tourniquet, and he is not employed, nor is he affiliated with the bar in any capacity. … There is now a chorus of growing outrage among the public as the agent waits to see if he will face charges in the case. The agent’s name is Chase Bishop, 29. He was visiting Denver, but works out of Washington D.C. Some experts say after reviewing the videos several times, the case rises to the level of felony assault. Denver police say they are waiting on laboratory tests to determine whether Bishop will face charges. “The main thing I’m concerned about is that he’s being given incredibly special treatment because he’s an FBI agent,” said attorney and legal expert David Lane. “Had that been ‘Joe Citizen’ in that bar doing exactly the same thing, the cops would have been there in a heartbeat. They would have slapped the cuffs on him and he would have been in jail on a fairly high bond. Because anybody acting that ridiculously stupid should be in jail on a high bond.” Given his privileged treatment in this case, I have to wonder what senior bureaucrats at the Bureau or elsewhere in government he might be related to. I'd like to see the videos of his little dance routine redone with the soundtrack to Abba's Dancing Queen. : )
It fits more into a section dealing with reckless endangerment. Hopefully they have a section that dictates it’s a felony to commit a reckless act that produces serious physical injury... regardless of intent. I will say however, the lack of intent should be factored into sentencing, cop or no cop.
I would agree. What fires me up is the idea that some reckless shooting like this, especially by a trained and trusted government official, would not be prosecuted the same way if it was any other civilian, or a PD cop, or a deputy or a politician. The FBI is not above the law. Watching how they keep trying to cover their own tracks, it is apparent that top FBI leadership does not consider itself as under the laws like everyone else. They consider themselves to be immune to the laws of this country. It's arrogant beyond belief. It's not pleasant to realize that the FBI has sunk so low as a result of nearly a decade of community organizing and Lefty leadership. We can't be too surprised really.
In my retirement job, I actually have opportunity to work with more of the feds (mostly FBI and ATF) than I ever did in my NYS job. In fact, it was a retired ATF agent that interviewed me for my current job... and he’s since resigned. The Feds do a good job at what they do... but most wouldn’t make it in the state and local department level, handling all kinds of calls with the local dysfunctional natives.
Something very significant has happened with BATFE in the last 10 years or so, something no one seems to write about. They allowed bump stocks, they allowed the "arm braces" on certain weapons (Sig's MPX/MCX and others), they're apparently allowing the unrifled Franklin Armory not-an-SBR to be classified as a "firearm" and not an SBR rifle, etc. They are still too slow at processing permits for restricted firearms like full-autos, SBRs and suppressors but that is just as likely to be bureaucratic sloth as any actual opposition to issuing the permits. And they still charge the same fee for full-auto permits as they did back in the Thirties. They seem to issue these various permits willy-nilly but it takes 6-12 months to get the permits. 10 years ago, we would have thought that Wayne LaPierre had instituted a hostile takeover of the BATFE if they had done these things. You don't even see the regular BATFE bashing by the gun sites and they used to be jampacked with BATFE-hate posts. Some of this undoubtedly started under Bush but most of it happened under 0bama (the greatest firearms salesman in the history of America). There has been a real sea change, mostly unnoticed, in BATFE and how it treats the public and how it is perceived by gunowners. Anyway, it is something no one seems to write about but it is remarkable. A little shocking even. Hell's bells, hardly anyone even mentions BATFE any more other than bitching about how long it takes to get a suppressor or SBR permit.
What's a SBR? I am GUESSING some sort of battle rifle,but it's just a guess.
Short Barreled Rifle. They don't put real stocks on them to evade the restrictions. Because an arm brace isn't a stock legally. And no one forced the BATFE to issue that classification. As with bump stocks, they could easily have regulated these off the market. But they chose not to. Put a real stock on it, the same length, and it is an SBR and has to have a matching federal license, just like a suppressor or machine gun would. Sell it with an arm brace and it's legal almost anywhere. For some time, no one would post a video on YouBoob showing them cradling the "arm brace" to their shoulder because it was supposed to be just an arm brace to be legal. So they would only video it if the "arm brace" was held an inch from their shoulder. Obviously, it's all just a way to avoid BATFE restrictions based on that old list of the characteristics of ATF "black scary guns" from the AWB ban back in the Nineties. BATFE just is not the same bunch they were 20 years ago. Of course, these are essentially pistol-caliber AR-15 guns with matching controls. Notice that the "arm brace" typically folds to the left while the gun remains fully functional. So it is a very short They're pricey but people love 'em. I just shopped for one this last week but I'm not gonna give in to the thrill.
I guess they are ok for people that like them,but I like rifles chambered for rifle cartridges. I know this practically makes me a Neanderthall,but I LOVE bolt-action rifles. Give me something starting with a 300 H&H with a 26 inch barrel in a Winchester receiver,and I will do my little happy dance. I did have a pretty sweet one based on a 700 Remington action once. Never did trust the safety,though. I once built a 375 caliber Siamese Mauser that was based on a blown out 348 Winchester case that was pretty impressive. Effectively,it was a 375 H & H on a medium action. I ended up giving it to a friend that said he was interested in shooting it,but AFAIK,it has never left his gun cabinet.
Not at all. Lots of shooters start with these cheaper .223 tactical rifles but end up selling them to buy bolt-action rifles. You don't have to look far on the gun sites to find used AR-15s, fully outfitted and set up to be very accurate, with the ad saying that it never leaves the gun cabinet any more and they're selling it to get into bolt-action shooting. The reverse is almost never seen. It seems that no one sells their bolt-actions to buy anything except a better bolt-action rifle. Now we see the AR-15 crowd trying to cut into distance shooting out to 1300 yards with those newish Valkyrie .224 rounds. But those do cost over a dollar a round for good ammo, about twice what a good .308 bullet costs. And you still don't have the stopping power of any of the 30-cal rounds. It's surprising just how much those pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters cost. Anyway, I was surprised. They do have their fans.
Yup,and the most anal get into benchrest shooting. Which means they will NEVER be happy. It's surprising just how much those pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters cost. Anyway, I was surprised. They do have their fans. I think more people are collecting them these days than shooting them. I have an original Model 54 in 30/06 from the 30's,and nobody seems to be at all interested in it. Then again,I am not trying real hard to sell it. I want to sell it to a collector who will care for it and shoot it,not somebody looking for a receiver. I've owned the damn thing for over 30 years and never even shot it.
It sounds like you are sort of one of those durned collectors yourself. : ) I inherited some guns from my dad that I never shoot. I've considered trading them in for something I would want to shoot. I looked them over a few days ago just to see their condition. Closet guns that haven't been shot or cleaned in ages aren't a good way to keep guns and what is the point of a gun you don't shoot and don't want to shoot? Browning Belgian, early to mid-Fifties, a little rust on it in the decorative engraving The shotguns are in rough condition IMO, probably worth $200-$300 each. The Model 74 is the only one I ever shot much, the only one with any sentimental value.
I recently restored a Stevens Model 70 "Visible Loader" (.22) that I got from my brother-in law. It was missing parts, parts were welded together, the barrel was rusted in spots. I ordered parts from all over the country, cleaned and blued them, and ended up with a beautiful gun that cost three times to restore than what it's worth. But it was fun.
I hear ya. This Belgian was so beautiful when I was a kid but it got those little rust spots, shows a few marks of dryness or friction, a little wood scuffing. I hate to think how much it would cost to make it a mint gun. You could spend a thousand or more and turn a $300 shotgun into a $600 shotgun. A shotgun that hadn't been fired since the mid-Eighties at that. Hell, I have maybe one box of shotgun shells and it isn't even full. If they were totally mint, I admit I would find it harder to part with them because I would think of them as collectibles. So your efforts to restore a .22 to mint condition might be appreciated by someone in the family some day. I'm kind of in the phase of "I kept too much of my parents' stuff for sentimental reasons". Naturally firearms were at the bottom of the list of things to get rid of but I have gotten a little tired of just seeing them sit in a closet too, especially if I don't want to shoot them. I keep thinking how much more I would enjoy having a gun that I actually want and would take out to shoot X many times a year. And those shotguns should find a home with someone who wants to actually shoot them, maybe end up parted out to keep someone else's family gun in working order. I just question the value of guns that do nothing but sit in a closet for decades.
The Stevens Visible Loader is nicknamed the Miserable Loader. You have to completely assemble it to check clearances, then completely disassemble it to make adjustments. Wash, rinse, repeat. It's a $100 rifle (today's price) tha that that was given to boys in the early 1900's as their first rifle.
Sounds pretty awful. : ) Isn't that like rebuilding an Edsel? Even if you do it perfect, no one will want it.
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#2. To: misterwhite (#1)
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#6. To: Tooconservative (#2)
and went off when he picked it up to put it back in his holster.
#7. To: misterwhite (#6)
Light trigger.
#8. To: Tooconservative (#7)
I get the feeling you're not shopping for a Glock. Just a hunch...
#10. To: misterwhite (#8)
Leave the Glock in the bedside table drawer where you have time to rack a round.
#12. To: Tooconservative (#10)
but others here tell me the pistol is considered unloaded unless it has a shell in the chamber at all times.
#18. To: misterwhite (#12)
They're correct. It's a paperweight. But it's safe.
#22. To: Tooconservative (#18)
This storeowner got himself and his son killed while trying to just get a round into the chamber.
#23. To: misterwhite (#22)
(Edited)
#36. To: Tooconservative (#23)
I'll probably weaken and reconsider my habit of not keeping a bullet in the chamber in my bedroom gun.
#38. To: GrandIsland (#36)
(Edited)
If you follow the four basic firearm safety rules at all times,
#39. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland (#38)
This guy was a trained FBI agent with who knows how many hours of periodic classroom and range safety training. Yet he carried unholstered in the small of his back -- two big no-no's. Three, if it was a Glock.
#48. To: Tooconservative (#39)
He really should have been arrested IMO. Reckless endangerment charges, maybe more depending on CO statutes.
#49. To: GrandIsland, misterwhite (#48)
He’d had been charged if he worked for my old department or the current place I work out of.
#50. To: Tooconservative (#49)
Did you two notice how he tucked his ass-gun back into his butt-crack?
#52. To: misterwhite (#50)
#57. To: Tooconservative (#52)
#62. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland, Liberator (#57)
The attorney for the man shot at a Denver bar over the weekend by a dancing FBI agent says the injury to his client’s leg is much worse than first reported.
#67. To: Tooconservative (#62)
Some experts say after reviewing the videos several times, the case rises to the level of felony assault.
#68. To: GrandIsland (#67)
I will say however, the lack of intent should be factored into sentencing, cop or no cop.
#69. To: Tooconservative (#68)
What fires me up is the idea that some reckless shooting like this, especially by a trained and trusted government official
#70. To: GrandIsland, Liberator, sneakypete (#69)
(Edited)
In fact, it was a retired ATF agent that interviewed me for my current job... and he’s since resigned.
#73. To: Tooconservative (#70)
They allowed bump stocks, they allowed the "arm braces" on certain weapons (Sig's MPX/MCX and others), they're apparently allowing the unrifled Franklin Armory not-an-SBR to be classified as a "firearm" and not an SBR rifle, etc.
#74. To: sneakypete, misterwhite (#73)
(Edited)
What's a SBR? I am GUESSING some sort of battle rifle,but it's just a guess.
full-auto semi-auto that can be used as small rifle as well. Bigger and more stable than a pistol, just long enough you can stabilize it better than a pistol, shoots cheap ammo including your supply of cheap 9mm bullets.
#77. To: Tooconservative (#74)
Of course, these are essentially pistol-caliber AR-15 guns with matching controls.
#78. To: sneakypete (#77)
(Edited)
I know this practically makes me a Neanderthall,but I LOVE bolt-action rifles.
Give me something starting with a 300 H&H with a 26 inch barrel in a Winchester receiver,and I will do my little happy dance.
#79. To: Tooconservative (#78)
It seems that no one sells their bolt-actions to buy anything except a better bolt-action rifle.
#80. To: sneakypete, misterwhite (#79)
I've owned the damn thing for over 30 years and never even shot it.
Winchester Model 12 shotgun, Forties or Fifties gun
some crappy old single-shot .410 (Harrington & Richardson, Topper Model 158), can't imagine it's worth more than $100
Winchester Model 74, .22 short, made in 1942, decent shape, probably the most valuable of the bunch
#81. To: Tooconservative (#80)
Winchester Model 74, .22 short, made in 1942, decent shape, probably the most valuable of the bunch
#82. To: misterwhite (#81)
I ordered parts from all over the country, cleaned and blued them, and ended up with a beautiful gun that cost three times to restore than what it's worth.
#88. To: Tooconservative (#82)
#90. To: misterwhite (#88)
The Stevens Visible Loader is nicknamed the Miserable Loader.
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