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Title: FBI Agent Accidentally Discharges Firearm
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/0 ... ncing-at-denver-nightclub.html
Published: Jun 3, 2018
Author: Katherine Lam
Post Date: 2018-06-03 11:57:31 by misterwhite
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Views: 20033
Comments: 109
An off-duty FBI agent accidentally fired his gun, striking another patron in the leg, at a Denver nightclub while he was dancing early Saturday, police said. (Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
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#38. To: GrandIsland (#36)
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This guy was a trained FBI agent with who knows how many hours of periodic classroom and range safety training. Yet he carried unholstered in the small of his back -- two big no-no's. Three, if it was a Glock. Yet he didn't follow the rules. Match the gun to the person.
It was an odd choice really. And that isn't the small of the back. It's a gun jammed in your asscrack. Ew. That's gross. It's a shame he didn't shoot himself instead of some poor bystander. And just walking away like nothing had happened after he had just discharged the gun and had no idea if someone was injured by it? The FBI should fire him for that alone. Complete recklessness with a firearm. He really should have been arrested IMO. Reckless endangerment charges, maybe more depending on CO statutes.
He was very lucky someone wasn't killed in that crowded room.
Just a 5-pound pull away from going from an ass crack to an ass chasm.
‹/rimshot› LOL
Another report from CBS, this one has another camera angle and you can see that the gun went off as he picked it up. In another camera angle, you see him throw his hands up as he's walking away and he almost grinned! And Langley spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to train this nimrod? No mention that he was arrested but the video states that the police took a blood sample for testing.
He learned his disco moves at Quantico. Langley is CIA.
I thought it looked wrong, didn't bother to look it up. I'll blame it on the U.N. celebrating World Environment Day today. Yup, that's it.
I held my tongue, but good job hondopehead. My brother is a product of Quantico on the jar-head side. I've been there. A friend worked at Langley and took me on an office visit on a Saturday. He hated having to lie to family and friends that he worked for the State Department. He was a desk jockey analyst. His son will be married in October - I was there when he was born in Virginia.
5.5 pounds.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I agree. He’d had been charged if he worked for my old department or the current place I work out of.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Did you two notice how he tucked his ass-gun back into his butt-crack? He was wearing no belt which contributed to him dropping the gun to start with because his pants slid down low on his hips when he flipped. Then when he tried to put the gun back in, he only put it into his waistband down to (but not including) the trigger guard! Two-thirds of the gun and most of its weight was just floating loose above his waistband. And his shirt was untucked. He's lucky he didn't drop it again as he walked away. With an untucked shirt, it would drop on the floor again unless he was fast enough to catch it. Gee, Sherlock, no need to hide the gun now after you already shot somebody. And did you notice that no one has given out his name yet? What, are the FBI some protected class or something? Anyone else in America (including regular cops or soldiers) would have their names splashed all over the internet. But this guy? Apparently the FBI are too special to get named.
I hope the hot barrel burned his ass.
He was wearing no belt I stopped watching after I identified what caused the AD. Watching stupid shit by cops, isn’t on my list for entertainment... unless it’s part of department training.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I just looked again. Is there some kind of mini-holster there on the waistband? It looks like something is there but I can't tell if it is a cellphone holder or mini-holster or something else. Whatever it is, it is doesn't look big enough to hold that gun securely. I think it might be just a cellphone case. Maybe your eyes are better than mine or you know more about back-holsters.
I suspect this FBI agent is about to become the star in some upcoming police training films. Just a hunch. : )
I would think he was wearing some kind of hybrid, IWB holster. They are designed for concealment, and all hybrid holsters have ZERO weapon retention. All the ones I own, if you put the gun in it and turn it upside down, the gun will fall out (tho wearing them, inside your pant waistband, under a belt, does improve weapon retention).
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
It sounds reckless. I always think of PD detectives and FBI with shoulder harness or a side holster or a front-holster where the gun is a lot more secure.
You can clearly see in the vid that he's wearing a dark brown belt on his light tan pants. Look again at your vid. The tan belt loops across the brown belt are very visible.
There's something back there. It could be an inside-the-waistband holster with the top sticking out.
What happened Pete ? I thought you carried a Charter Arms of same caliber and configuration . What caused the change ?
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers) AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.
I understand the Charter Arms are built better these days,but back in the 70's they were junk if you planned on shooting them much. I put 4 or 5 boxes of factory level 44 Special loads through mine,and it was already starting to look like it was going to have indexing/timing problems,so I sold it. The Rossi is a whole nother animal,though. If I was 30 I doubt I would ever live long enough to shoot it loose using factory equivalent loads. Plus it is insanely accurate with Winchester 200 grain Silvertip hollowpoints. Rossi is no longer in business,though. Taurus bought them out because they couldn't stand the competition,and ceased production of the 44 Special Rossi. It was smaller and build better than the Taurus 44 Special,so it had to be killed. Look around for a good used one at gun shows,though. Since I know I can't buy another new one,I literally wouldn't sell mine for a thousand bucks in cash.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Interesting. I am not in the market for such a toy, but if I ever decide to do so, I will keep your advice in mind. I was just curious, as I remember you talking about the charter arms before. Thanks
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers) AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.
BTW,I bought my Rossi,the DAO model with no trigger spur in stainless steel new in the box from a gun shop for $229. Good luck finding even a used one for that kind of money now. Small enough to fit in a standard pants pocket,and no sharp edges to interfere with a draw. Only downside is they are heavy,but heavy is good if you ever want to use stout loads,and even better if just using standard pressure loads because you will never shoot it loose. Besides,other than the rubber grips,it's all steel,so it's supposed to be heavier than the alloy guns. Also,besides being a weapons man in the army,I also have an associate degree in gunsmithing,and the double action trigger pull was so smooth right out of the box that I have never even considered taking the side cover off to do any work to it. It's the only revolver I have ever owned that needed nothing but to be loaded when I bought it.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
At BearingArms, they had an update. The dancing fool has finally been ID'd: Attorney Frank Azar says the gunshot hit a main artery and his client could have bled to death. The owners of Mile High Spirits and Distillery say it was one of their quick-thinking security guards who took off his belt and applied a tourniquet to the victim’s leg. However, witnesses dispute the claim that it was a bar security guard who applied the tourniquet. A witness told Denver7’s Lance Hernandez that he used his belt to apply the tourniquet, and he is not employed, nor is he affiliated with the bar in any capacity. … There is now a chorus of growing outrage among the public as the agent waits to see if he will face charges in the case. The agent’s name is Chase Bishop, 29. He was visiting Denver, but works out of Washington D.C. Some experts say after reviewing the videos several times, the case rises to the level of felony assault. Denver police say they are waiting on laboratory tests to determine whether Bishop will face charges. “The main thing I’m concerned about is that he’s being given incredibly special treatment because he’s an FBI agent,” said attorney and legal expert David Lane. “Had that been ‘Joe Citizen’ in that bar doing exactly the same thing, the cops would have been there in a heartbeat. They would have slapped the cuffs on him and he would have been in jail on a fairly high bond. Because anybody acting that ridiculously stupid should be in jail on a high bond.” Given his privileged treatment in this case, I have to wonder what senior bureaucrats at the Bureau or elsewhere in government he might be related to. I'd like to see the videos of his little dance routine redone with the soundtrack to Abba's Dancing Queen. : )
Man, the FBI is really taking some hard hits lately. This douchebag isn't helping. "Some experts say after reviewing the videos several times, the case rises to the level of felony assault. “Had that been ‘Joe Citizen’ in that bar doing exactly the same thing, the cops would have been there in a heartbeat." 'Joe Citizen' would have been charged with reckless conduct - -- -- as most are in those situations.
Which would be a very good reason to prosecute him, politically speaking. And because he does deserve it. I think Snoozy Jeff ought to wake up and institute a full-blown investigation from outside the FBI chain of command. Let's see if the Dems and libmedia want to defend the Dancing Queen.
Little known song of theirs. They say some play it at funerals.
Your song isn't a universal favorite about dancing. I think I read that it remains one of the most recognized and liked pop songs of all time. It's still popular after 42 years. That's pretty unusual. Amazing really.
It fits more into a section dealing with reckless endangerment. Hopefully they have a section that dictates it’s a felony to commit a reckless act that produces serious physical injury... regardless of intent. I will say however, the lack of intent should be factored into sentencing, cop or no cop.
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I would agree. What fires me up is the idea that some reckless shooting like this, especially by a trained and trusted government official, would not be prosecuted the same way if it was any other civilian, or a PD cop, or a deputy or a politician. The FBI is not above the law. Watching how they keep trying to cover their own tracks, it is apparent that top FBI leadership does not consider itself as under the laws like everyone else. They consider themselves to be immune to the laws of this country. It's arrogant beyond belief. It's not pleasant to realize that the FBI has sunk so low as a result of nearly a decade of community organizing and Lefty leadership. We can't be too surprised really.
In my retirement job, I actually have opportunity to work with more of the feds (mostly FBI and ATF) than I ever did in my NYS job. In fact, it was a retired ATF agent that interviewed me for my current job... and he’s since resigned. The Feds do a good job at what they do... but most wouldn’t make it in the state and local department level, handling all kinds of calls with the local dysfunctional natives.
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Something very significant has happened with BATFE in the last 10 years or so, something no one seems to write about. They allowed bump stocks, they allowed the "arm braces" on certain weapons (Sig's MPX/MCX and others), they're apparently allowing the unrifled Franklin Armory not-an-SBR to be classified as a "firearm" and not an SBR rifle, etc. They are still too slow at processing permits for restricted firearms like full-autos, SBRs and suppressors but that is just as likely to be bureaucratic sloth as any actual opposition to issuing the permits. And they still charge the same fee for full-auto permits as they did back in the Thirties. They seem to issue these various permits willy-nilly but it takes 6-12 months to get the permits. 10 years ago, we would have thought that Wayne LaPierre had instituted a hostile takeover of the BATFE if they had done these things. You don't even see the regular BATFE bashing by the gun sites and they used to be jampacked with BATFE-hate posts. Some of this undoubtedly started under Bush but most of it happened under 0bama (the greatest firearms salesman in the history of America). There has been a real sea change, mostly unnoticed, in BATFE and how it treats the public and how it is perceived by gunowners. Anyway, it is something no one seems to write about but it is remarkable. A little shocking even. Hell's bells, hardly anyone even mentions BATFE any more other than bitching about how long it takes to get a suppressor or SBR permit.
MY biggest disappointment with the FBI came when it was revealed the FBI Crime Lab routinely altered evidence to get convictions. That was when I started calling them "Feebs". Still,I am inclined to believe they have more honest and upright field agents that take their jobs and their oaths seriously than any other LEO in the world. Providing you get away from the "Career Glamour" field offices,that is. The brass in those places are nothing but career politicians.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Good point. They are a specialized police agency and don't normally deal with nutcases getting messages from their dead dog on Jupiter.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
What's a SBR? I am GUESSING some sort of battle rifle,but it's just a guess.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Short Barreled Rifle. They don't put real stocks on them to evade the restrictions. Because an arm brace isn't a stock legally. And no one forced the BATFE to issue that classification. As with bump stocks, they could easily have regulated these off the market. But they chose not to. Put a real stock on it, the same length, and it is an SBR and has to have a matching federal license, just like a suppressor or machine gun would. Sell it with an arm brace and it's legal almost anywhere. For some time, no one would post a video on YouBoob showing them cradling the "arm brace" to their shoulder because it was supposed to be just an arm brace to be legal. So they would only video it if the "arm brace" was held an inch from their shoulder. Obviously, it's all just a way to avoid BATFE restrictions based on that old list of the characteristics of ATF "black scary guns" from the AWB ban back in the Nineties. BATFE just is not the same bunch they were 20 years ago. Of course, these are essentially pistol-caliber AR-15 guns with matching controls. Notice that the "arm brace" typically folds to the left while the gun remains fully functional. So it is a very short They're pricey but people love 'em. I just shopped for one this last week but I'm not gonna give in to the thrill.
Pistol-caliber carbines. Bleech! I predict the arm brace will go the way of the bump stock as a device which takes advantage of a loophole in the law. Pay the one-time $200 NFA tax for the SBR and be done with it.
They're cute! And a very cute way for the firearms industry to turn some extra pistol parts into another AR-15 market. You have to give the gun industry some credit for inventing entirely new categories of civilian firearms.
I guess they are ok for people that like them,but I like rifles chambered for rifle cartridges. I know this practically makes me a Neanderthall,but I LOVE bolt-action rifles. Give me something starting with a 300 H&H with a 26 inch barrel in a Winchester receiver,and I will do my little happy dance. I did have a pretty sweet one based on a 700 Remington action once. Never did trust the safety,though. I once built a 375 caliber Siamese Mauser that was based on a blown out 348 Winchester case that was pretty impressive. Effectively,it was a 375 H & H on a medium action. I ended up giving it to a friend that said he was interested in shooting it,but AFAIK,it has never left his gun cabinet.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Not at all. Lots of shooters start with these cheaper .223 tactical rifles but end up selling them to buy bolt-action rifles. You don't have to look far on the gun sites to find used AR-15s, fully outfitted and set up to be very accurate, with the ad saying that it never leaves the gun cabinet any more and they're selling it to get into bolt-action shooting. The reverse is almost never seen. It seems that no one sells their bolt-actions to buy anything except a better bolt-action rifle. Now we see the AR-15 crowd trying to cut into distance shooting out to 1300 yards with those newish Valkyrie .224 rounds. But those do cost over a dollar a round for good ammo, about twice what a good .308 bullet costs. And you still don't have the stopping power of any of the 30-cal rounds. It's surprising just how much those pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters cost. Anyway, I was surprised. They do have their fans.
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#39. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland (#38)
This guy was a trained FBI agent with who knows how many hours of periodic classroom and range safety training. Yet he carried unholstered in the small of his back -- two big no-no's. Three, if it was a Glock.
#40. To: Tooconservative (#39)
#41. To: Tooconservative (#39)
It's a gun jammed in your asscrack.
#42. To: misterwhite (#41)
Just a 5-pound pull away from going from an ass crack to an ass chasm.
#43. To: misterwhite, Fred Mertz, hondo68, sneakypete, GrandIsland (#40)
#44. To: Tooconservative (#43)
Proudly called, “West Point for Law Enforcement,' the FBI Academy occupies 547 acres on a Marine Corps base in Quantico, Virginia, just 40 miles from Washington DC
#45. To: hondo68 (#44)
#46. To: hondo68 (#44)
He learned his disco moves at Quantico.
#47. To: misterwhite (#37)
a 5-pound pull.
#48. To: Tooconservative (#39)
He really should have been arrested IMO. Reckless endangerment charges, maybe more depending on CO statutes.
#49. To: GrandIsland, misterwhite (#48)
He’d had been charged if he worked for my old department or the current place I work out of.
#50. To: Tooconservative (#49)
Did you two notice how he tucked his ass-gun back into his butt-crack?
#51. To: Tooconservative (#49)
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Did you two notice how he tucked his ass-gun back into his butt-crack?
#52. To: misterwhite (#50)
#53. To: GrandIsland (#51)
Watching stupid shit by cops, isn’t on my list for entertainment... unless it’s part of department training.
#54. To: Tooconservative (#52)
#55. To: GrandIsland (#54)
They are designed for concealment, and all hybrid holsters have ZERO weapon retention.
#56. To: Tooconservative (#49)
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He was wearing no belt
#57. To: Tooconservative (#52)
#58. To: sneakypete (#29)
" DAO Rossi 44 Special with a 3 inch barrel for social work "
#59. To: Stoner (#58)
What happened Pete ? I thought you carried a Charter Arms of same caliber and configuration . What caused the change ?
#60. To: sneakypete (#59)
#61. To: Stoner (#60)
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Interesting. I am not in the market for such a toy, but if I ever decide to do so, I will keep your advice in mind.
#62. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland, Liberator (#57)
The attorney for the man shot at a Denver bar over the weekend by a dancing FBI agent says the injury to his client’s leg is much worse than first reported.
#63. To: Tooconservative (#62)
Given his privileged treatment in this case, I have to wonder what senior bureaucrats at the Bureau or elsewhere in government he might be related to.
#64. To: misterwhite (#63)
Man, the FBI is really taking some hard hits lately. This douchebag isn't helping.
#65. To: Tooconservative (#64)
#66. To: misterwhite (#65)
#67. To: Tooconservative (#62)
Some experts say after reviewing the videos several times, the case rises to the level of felony assault.
#68. To: GrandIsland (#67)
I will say however, the lack of intent should be factored into sentencing, cop or no cop.
#69. To: Tooconservative (#68)
What fires me up is the idea that some reckless shooting like this, especially by a trained and trusted government official
#70. To: GrandIsland, Liberator, sneakypete (#69)
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In fact, it was a retired ATF agent that interviewed me for my current job... and he’s since resigned.
#71. To: Tooconservative (#68)
The FBI is not above the law. Watching how they keep trying to cover their own tracks, it is apparent that top FBI leadership does not consider itself as under the laws like everyone else.
#72. To: GrandIsland (#69)
but most wouldn’t make it in the state and local department level, handling all kinds of calls with the local dysfunctional natives.
#73. To: Tooconservative (#70)
They allowed bump stocks, they allowed the "arm braces" on certain weapons (Sig's MPX/MCX and others), they're apparently allowing the unrifled Franklin Armory not-an-SBR to be classified as a "firearm" and not an SBR rifle, etc.
#74. To: sneakypete, misterwhite (#73)
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What's a SBR? I am GUESSING some sort of battle rifle,but it's just a guess.
full-auto semi-auto that can be used as small rifle as well. Bigger and more stable than a pistol, just long enough you can stabilize it better than a pistol, shoots cheap ammo including your supply of cheap 9mm bullets.
#75. To: Tooconservative (#74)
#76. To: misterwhite (#75)
Pistol-caliber carbines. Bleech!
#77. To: Tooconservative (#74)
Of course, these are essentially pistol-caliber AR-15 guns with matching controls.
#78. To: sneakypete (#77)
(Edited)
I know this practically makes me a Neanderthall,but I LOVE bolt-action rifles.
Give me something starting with a 300 H&H with a 26 inch barrel in a Winchester receiver,and I will do my little happy dance.
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