An off-duty FBI agent accidentally fired his gun, striking another patron in the leg, at a Denver nightclub while he was dancing early Saturday, police said.
My opinion is I have no sympathy for anyone that shoots himself while carrying a Glock or similar pistol.
Seems to me to be inevitable,providing they don't accidentally shoot someone else first by accident and get it taken away.
I will never carry a striker fired weapon,period. If you give me one I will sell it.
These days I almost always carry a revolver. A 9 shot 22 snubnose pocket pistol for messing around in the yard or walking to the shop in case I stumble upon a rabid animal or poisonous snake,and a DAO Rossi 44 Special with a 3 inch barrel for social work if I go to a city. It only holds 5 rounds which makes some people think I am nuts,but if I have to shoot it more than 5 times chances are there are going to be a couple of other guns laying around with nobody using them that I can pick up.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
At some point, I'll probably weaken and reconsider my habit of not keeping a bullet in the chamber in my bedroom gun.
One word,"revolver".
Never any question of "is it loaded or not?",and the DA trigger pull on the typical revolver is stout enough you aren't going to fire it accidentially.
BTW,for those of you unfamiliar with revolvers,it is possible for a good gunsmith to do a action job on it that makes the DA trigger pull "smooth as butta",but still require enough trigger pressure to fire that that is no danger of having an accidental discharge. No,it's not cheap,but chances are you will only have it done to the revolver you carry,and the knowledge that you don't have to walk around and face a potential bad guy with a cocked revolver with the hair trigger they have is worth the money.
My Rossi is DAO,and I have shot running snakes in the head with it,and I don't care how tough you think you are,a single 200 grain 44 caliber hollowpoint in your head will give a a LONG time-out. Remember,when getting a action job,the keyword is "SMOOTH",not "light". Do it right and you WILL have to modify the hammer spring to keep from penetrating primers,but that's when you know that everything is working perfectly.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
A hunting friend of mine and gun enthusiast wears his .45 on his hip with the weapon cocked and safety on. Who am I to question him about that?
If it is a 1911 style Colt or other Single Action semi-auto,that is perfectly safe to carry that way because it is the way it was designed to be carried. I have 3 or 4 of them,and even though I switched to the 44 Special revolver a decade or so ago,I carried cocked and locked 45 ACP semi-autos most of my life and in more than one country. Probably the most reliable and safe semi-auto handgun design ever put into production,I still think the US military lost their freaking minds when they dropped it for 9mm Beretta's.
Besides the thumb safety,it also has a grip safety that must be squeezed before the hammer will fall.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Also, one other safety feature is if the weapon is against something with the muzzle it won't fire. I have this recollection from way back when. About three safety features.
There are days when I seriously consider getting rid of the Glock and buying a good wheel gun instead.
You should listen to your inner-voice on one of those days.
If it is for self-defense,forget Magnums. When it comes to calibers,think "heavy,slow,and if possible,with a flat nose and swagged. Or mo betta,a swagged hollow-based wadcutter mounted backwards. Not accurate worth a damn beyond self-defense range,but oh,BOY do they work good at stopping an attacker.
Also think,"44 or 45 caliber" and velocities in the range of 700-800 fps. The idea is to shoot BIG,HEAVY bullets into your attacker and have them expend ALL of their energy inside his body. Milder loads like this also have the advantage of not kicking so hard,so it is easy to get back on target if you need a second shot.
Even 38 Specials with 140-160 grain hollowbase SWAGGED wadcutters will do the job at those velocities.
If it were me and I lived in the great frozen north,I would have two sets of self-defense loads. One set for warm weather as described above,and another set of factory +P jacketed hollowpoint loads for winter use,when your opponent is wearing layers of clothing or even a leather coat.
Unless of course you feel confident enough in your abilities and demeanor to go for head shots. If you can put a bullet through his eyeball,it really doesn't matter how big it is or how fast it's moving.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Also, one other safety feature is if the weapon is against something with the muzzle it won't fire.
Yup! A "out of battery" trigger interrupt to keep it from firing is also a part of the design.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I'll probably weaken and reconsider my habit of not keeping a bullet in the chamber in my bedroom gun.
Glocks don’t accidentally discharge on their own. If you follow the four basic firearm safety rules at all times, you’ll have no problems keeping the mag stuffed and “one up”.
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Correct. But they do fire when a douche nozzle fingers the trigger trying to scoop it up off the floor and there is one in the chamber, no safety and the trigger has a 5-pound pull.
If you follow the four basic firearm safety rules at all times,
This guy was a trained FBI agent with who knows how many hours of periodic classroom and range safety training. Yet he carried unholstered in the small of his back -- two big no-no's. Three, if it was a Glock.
Yet he didn't follow the rules. Match the gun to the person.
This guy was a trained FBI agent with who knows how many hours of periodic classroom and range safety training. Yet he carried unholstered in the small of his back -- two big no-no's. Three, if it was a Glock.
It was an odd choice really. And that isn't the small of the back. It's a gun jammed in your asscrack.
Ew. That's gross.
It's a shame he didn't shoot himself instead of some poor bystander.
And just walking away like nothing had happened after he had just discharged the gun and had no idea if someone was injured by it? The FBI should fire him for that alone. Complete recklessness with a firearm.
He really should have been arrested IMO. Reckless endangerment charges, maybe more depending on CO statutes.
#43. To: misterwhite, Fred Mertz, hondo68, sneakypete, GrandIsland (#40)
Another report from CBS, this one has another camera angle and you can see that the gun went off as he picked it up. In another camera angle, you see him throw his hands up as he's walking away and he almost grinned! And Langley spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to train this nimrod?
No mention that he was arrested but the video states that the police took a blood sample for testing.
Proudly called, “West Point for Law Enforcement,' the FBI Academy occupies 547 acres on a Marine Corps base in Quantico, Virginia, just 40 miles from Washington DC
My brother is a product of Quantico on the jar-head side. I've been there.
A friend worked at Langley and took me on an office visit on a Saturday. He hated having to lie to family and friends that he worked for the State Department. He was a desk jockey analyst. His son will be married in October - I was there when he was born in Virginia.
He’d had been charged if he worked for my old department or the current place I work out of.
Did you two notice how he tucked his ass-gun back into his butt-crack?
He was wearing no belt which contributed to him dropping the gun to start with because his pants slid down low on his hips when he flipped.
Then when he tried to put the gun back in, he only put it into his waistband down to (but not including) the trigger guard! Two-thirds of the gun and most of its weight was just floating loose above his waistband. And his shirt was untucked. He's lucky he didn't drop it again as he walked away. With an untucked shirt, it would drop on the floor again unless he was fast enough to catch it. Gee, Sherlock, no need to hide the gun now after you already shot somebody.
And did you notice that no one has given out his name yet? What, are the FBI some protected class or something? Anyone else in America (including regular cops or soldiers) would have their names splashed all over the internet. But this guy? Apparently the FBI are too special to get named.
I just looked again. Is there some kind of mini-holster there on the waistband? It looks like something is there but I can't tell if it is a cellphone holder or mini-holster or something else. Whatever it is, it is doesn't look big enough to hold that gun securely. I think it might be just a cellphone case.
Maybe your eyes are better than mine or you know more about back-holsters.
I would think he was wearing some kind of hybrid, IWB holster. They are designed for concealment, and all hybrid holsters have ZERO weapon retention. All the ones I own, if you put the gun in it and turn it upside down, the gun will fall out (tho wearing them, inside your pant waistband, under a belt, does improve weapon retention).
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They are designed for concealment, and all hybrid holsters have ZERO weapon retention.
It sounds reckless. I always think of PD detectives and FBI with shoulder harness or a side holster or a front-holster where the gun is a lot more secure.
What happened Pete ? I thought you carried a Charter Arms of same caliber and configuration . What caused the change ?
I understand the Charter Arms are built better these days,but back in the 70's they were junk if you planned on shooting them much. I put 4 or 5 boxes of factory level 44 Special loads through mine,and it was already starting to look like it was going to have indexing/timing problems,so I sold it.
The Rossi is a whole nother animal,though. If I was 30 I doubt I would ever live long enough to shoot it loose using factory equivalent loads. Plus it is insanely accurate with Winchester 200 grain Silvertip hollowpoints.
Rossi is no longer in business,though. Taurus bought them out because they couldn't stand the competition,and ceased production of the 44 Special Rossi. It was smaller and build better than the Taurus 44 Special,so it had to be killed.
Look around for a good used one at gun shows,though. Since I know I can't buy another new one,I literally wouldn't sell mine for a thousand bucks in cash.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Interesting. I am not in the market for such a toy, but if I ever decide to do so, I will keep your advice in mind. I was just curious, as I remember you talking about the charter arms before. Thanks
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Interesting. I am not in the market for such a toy, but if I ever decide to do so, I will keep your advice in mind.
BTW,I bought my Rossi,the DAO model with no trigger spur in stainless steel new in the box from a gun shop for $229.
Good luck finding even a used one for that kind of money now. Small enough to fit in a standard pants pocket,and no sharp edges to interfere with a draw.
Only downside is they are heavy,but heavy is good if you ever want to use stout loads,and even better if just using standard pressure loads because you will never shoot it loose.
Besides,other than the rubber grips,it's all steel,so it's supposed to be heavier than the alloy guns.
Also,besides being a weapons man in the army,I also have an associate degree in gunsmithing,and the double action trigger pull was so smooth right out of the box that I have never even considered taking the side cover off to do any work to it. It's the only revolver I have ever owned that needed nothing but to be loaded when I bought it.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#62. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland, Liberator (#57)
At BearingArms, they had an update. The dancing fool has finally been ID'd:
The attorney for the man shot at a Denver bar over the weekend by a dancing FBI agent says the injury to his client’s leg is much worse than first reported.
Attorney Frank Azar says the gunshot hit a main artery and his client could have bled to death. The owners of Mile High Spirits and Distillery say it was one of their quick-thinking security guards who took off his belt and applied a tourniquet to the victim’s leg.
However, witnesses dispute the claim that it was a bar security guard who applied the tourniquet. A witness told Denver7’s Lance Hernandez that he used his belt to apply the tourniquet, and he is not employed, nor is he affiliated with the bar in any capacity.
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There is now a chorus of growing outrage among the public as the agent waits to see if he will face charges in the case. The agent’s name is Chase Bishop, 29. He was visiting Denver, but works out of Washington D.C.
Some experts say after reviewing the videos several times, the case rises to the level of felony assault. Denver police say they are waiting on laboratory tests to determine whether Bishop will face charges.
“The main thing I’m concerned about is that he’s being given incredibly special treatment because he’s an FBI agent,” said attorney and legal expert David Lane. “Had that been ‘Joe Citizen’ in that bar doing exactly the same thing, the cops would have been there in a heartbeat. They would have slapped the cuffs on him and he would have been in jail on a fairly high bond. Because anybody acting that ridiculously stupid should be in jail on a high bond.”
Given his privileged treatment in this case, I have to wonder what senior bureaucrats at the Bureau or elsewhere in government he might be related to.
I'd like to see the videos of his little dance routine redone with the soundtrack to Abba's Dancing Queen. : )
Given his privileged treatment in this case, I have to wonder what senior bureaucrats at the Bureau or elsewhere in government he might be related to.
Man, the FBI is really taking some hard hits lately. This douchebag isn't helping.
"Some experts say after reviewing the videos several times, the case rises to the level of felony assault. “Had that been ‘Joe Citizen’ in that bar doing exactly the same thing, the cops would have been there in a heartbeat."
'Joe Citizen' would have been charged with reckless conduct - -- -- as most are in those situations.
Your song isn't a universal favorite about dancing. I think I read that it remains one of the most recognized and liked pop songs of all time. It's still popular after 42 years. That's pretty unusual. Amazing really.
Some experts say after reviewing the videos several times, the case rises to the level of felony assault.
It fits more into a section dealing with reckless endangerment. Hopefully they have a section that dictates it’s a felony to commit a reckless act that produces serious physical injury... regardless of intent.
I will say however, the lack of intent should be factored into sentencing, cop or no cop.
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I will say however, the lack of intent should be factored into sentencing, cop or no cop.
I would agree. What fires me up is the idea that some reckless shooting like this, especially by a trained and trusted government official, would not be prosecuted the same way if it was any other civilian, or a PD cop, or a deputy or a politician.
The FBI is not above the law. Watching how they keep trying to cover their own tracks, it is apparent that top FBI leadership does not consider itself as under the laws like everyone else. They consider themselves to be immune to the laws of this country. It's arrogant beyond belief.
It's not pleasant to realize that the FBI has sunk so low as a result of nearly a decade of community organizing and Lefty leadership. We can't be too surprised really.
