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Title: FBI Agent Accidentally Discharges Firearm
Source: Fox News
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/0 ... ncing-at-denver-nightclub.html
Published: Jun 3, 2018
Author: Katherine Lam
Post Date: 2018-06-03 11:57:31 by misterwhite
Keywords: None
Views: 21609
Comments: 109

An off-duty FBI agent accidentally fired his gun, striking another patron in the leg, at a Denver nightclub while he was dancing early Saturday, police said.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Sookie, Sookie, Sookie, Sookie, Sookie, Sookie, BLAM.

Bet it was a Glock.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-03   12:03:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1) (Edited)

Lawsuit time.

It seems from the video that the gun fell out and went off when he picked it up to put it back in his holster. He was trying to a backflip for the crowd.

He's kinda old to do backflips so it wasn't perfect but it was pretty good for a big man. Usually big guys have problems wrapping their height and mass fast enough to do any kind of backflip.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-03   13:37:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#2)

and went off when he picked it up to put it back in his holster.

Light trigger.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-03   16:16:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#6)

Light trigger.

I get the feeling you're not shopping for a Glock. Just a hunch...

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-03   17:02:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#7)

I get the feeling you're not shopping for a Glock. Just a hunch...

Not for concealed carry with one in the chamber, no safety, and a 5-pound trigger. You can shoot your eye out.

I'll settle for my S&W 642 with no safety but a 12-pound trigger (DA only).

Leave the Glock in the bedside table drawer where you have time to rack a round.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-03   17:48:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#8)

Leave the Glock in the bedside table drawer where you have time to rack a round.

I tend toward this with my Glock but others here tell me the pistol is considered unloaded unless it has a shell in the chamber at all times.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-03   18:21:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#10)

but others here tell me the pistol is considered unloaded unless it has a shell in the chamber at all times.

They're correct. It's a paperweight. But it's safe.

You'll have plenty of time to "load" it if it is for self-defense in the home, given that all you have to do is pull the slide and release it. Who knows, the sound of you doing that may scare the intruder away.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-03   18:42:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#12)

They're correct. It's a paperweight. But it's safe.

A classic video to show why all these people keep telling us not to carry without a round in the chamber. This storeowner got himself and his son killed while trying to just get a round into the chamber.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-04   9:14:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Tooconservative (#18)

This storeowner got himself and his son killed while trying to just get a round into the chamber.

I read another story where the bad guy was dragging the woman along by one arm. She got her weapon out but was unable to operate the slide to put one in the chamber.

Paperweight.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-04   11:34:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#22) (Edited)

At some point, I'll probably weaken and reconsider my habit of not keeping a bullet in the chamber in my bedroom gun.

Some years back, my niece dropped by with her very busy and very snoopy toddlers. They got into everything, every closet, every drawer, etc. Regular pint-sized terrorists.

After that, I worried about having a bullet in the chamber in that situation. Some kids aren't trained to never touch the guns. Anyway, hers weren't AFAIK.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-04   11:57:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Tooconservative (#23)

I'll probably weaken and reconsider my habit of not keeping a bullet in the chamber in my bedroom gun.

Glocks don’t accidentally discharge on their own. If you follow the four basic firearm safety rules at all times, you’ll have no problems keeping the mag stuffed and “one up”.

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-06-04   23:30:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: GrandIsland (#36) (Edited)

If you follow the four basic firearm safety rules at all times,

This guy was a trained FBI agent with who knows how many hours of periodic classroom and range safety training. Yet he carried unholstered in the small of his back -- two big no-no's. Three, if it was a Glock.

Yet he didn't follow the rules. Match the gun to the person.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-05   8:54:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland (#38)

This guy was a trained FBI agent with who knows how many hours of periodic classroom and range safety training. Yet he carried unholstered in the small of his back -- two big no-no's. Three, if it was a Glock.

It was an odd choice really. And that isn't the small of the back. It's a gun jammed in your asscrack.

Ew. That's gross.

It's a shame he didn't shoot himself instead of some poor bystander.

And just walking away like nothing had happened after he had just discharged the gun and had no idea if someone was injured by it? The FBI should fire him for that alone. Complete recklessness with a firearm.

He really should have been arrested IMO. Reckless endangerment charges, maybe more depending on CO statutes.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-05   9:28:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Tooconservative (#39)

He really should have been arrested IMO. Reckless endangerment charges, maybe more depending on CO statutes.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-agent-whose-gun-went-while-doing-dance-backflip-taken-n882466

FBI agent whose gun went off while doing dance backflip taken into custody

by Daniel Arkin
Jun.12.2018 / 2:01 PM ET / Updated 2:09 PM ET

Dance like the whole world is watching.

An off-duty FBI agent who accidentally fired a gun that dropped out of its holster while he was doing a back-flip at a nightclub was booked into custody on Tuesday, jail records showed.

Chase Bishop, 29, was being held in a detention center in downtown Denver. He faces charges for second-degree assault but he has not been formally charged....

[snip]

nolu chan  posted on  2018-06-12   16:00:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: nolu chan, sneakypete, redleghunter, Liberator, GrandIsland, misterwhite (#91) (Edited)

I noticed a scary thread at that CCW site I just posted a thread from about Floriduh's CCW foul-up.

*** Kinda bloody *** Don't look at this if your supper hasn't settled yet.

He had an IWB holster (butt-holster), using Speer Gold Dot 9mm 115 grain +P+ ammo.

ConcealedNation.org: When Bad Holsters Turn Worse: This Guy Took One Right In The A$$, Here’s Why A Proper Holster Is Essential

I gotta say, he was pretty shameless about those photos and kept a good sense of humor. Apparently he really likes taking these photos. LOL

[Yeah, I know GI has seen a lot worse in real life...]

Too bad this wasn't the FBI's Dancing Queen.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-12   19:14:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Tooconservative (#93)

"using Speer Gold Dot 9mm 115 grain +P+ ammo."

I seriously doubt the ammo had anything to do with the accidental discharge -- yet we get details we don't need.

Just out of curiosity -- because it may be somewhat important to the reason for the accidental discharge -- WHAT KIND OF GUN WAS IT? Did he modify the trigger? A "bunching t-shirt" was enough to set it off?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-12   20:42:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: misterwhite (#96) (Edited)

Gold Dot is decent stuff... might have opened up the wound channel a little more than most hollow point ammo. I’m sure that gun fired due to an accidental finger on the trigger or something catching the trigger because the iwb holser didn’t cover the trigger.

I only carry Federal HST ammo.

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-06-12   22:23:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: GrandIsland (#98)

or something catching the trigger

Try to set off the 12lb. trigger on my 642 with a "bunched up tshirt". Ain't gonna happen.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-13   8:03:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: misterwhite (#102)

Try to set off the 12lb. trigger

I carry a standard 5.5 pound pull on any Glock I carry. I too wear iwb holsters that provide zero weapon retention or much of a trigger guard. I’ve never had a problem with AD’s.

Then again, I don’t do back flips in alcoholic beverage serving establishments, while packing Roscoe.

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-06-13   17:39:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: GrandIsland (#103)

I’ve never had a problem with AD’s.

Wasn't it the New York City police department that ordered all their Glocks modified to a 12-pound trigger pull because of AD's?

And theirs are open carry in a fitted leather holster with strap by trained shooters.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-13   18:30:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: misterwhite (#104)

NYPD add 5.5 pounds for a total of 11... and NYS Police add 3.5 pounds.

The selling point for the increased pounds needed for trigger pull wasn’t to reduce AD’s... it was for lawsuit purposes, to show that these two police departments went to a greater length, to promote safety than even the gun manufacturer did.

To get the sale of their gun in the worlds largest police department, Glock was happy to make the part needed to accommodate the requests.

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-06-13   18:42:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: GrandIsland (#105)

To get the sale of their gun in the worlds largest police department, Glock was happy to make the part needed to accommodate the requests.

Well, if Glock wants to get the sale of their gun in my pants, that's the trigger I'd want.

Even better, a DA/SA set at 12/5. I'll adjust for the second shot. There are some nice ambidextrous pistols out there like that (not Glock).

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-13   19:01:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland (#106)

Even better, a DA/SA set at 12/5. I'll adjust for the second shot. There are some nice ambidextrous pistols out there like that (not Glock).

I was gun shopping again and didn't even want to look at pistols but the gun store had some of those Tanfoglio handguns. Man, were those sweet. I loved the way they fit into my hand, so much nicer than those clunky German guns like Sig or even the Austrian Glocks. Just a sweet Italian design, really hugs your hand.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-14   0:33:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#108. To: Tooconservative (#107)

Both of my boys have the 9mm Canik TP9SFx with red dot sight. They love the 4 pound trigger, crisp reset, and slide charging handle.

Full-size handgun, striker-fire, fun to shoot. Comes with loads of accessories. Under $500.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-06-14 10:28:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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