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Title: Kim Kardashian Heads to the White House
Source: Vanity Fair
URL Source: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/201 ... hite-house-visit-prison-reform
Published: May 30, 2018
Author: Emily Jane Fox
Post Date: 2018-05-30 22:39:44 by Hondo68
Keywords: prison reform, Keeping Up with, the Kardashians
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Keeping Up with the Kushners: With Jared Back on Top, Kim Kardashian Heads to the White House

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After months of back-channel talks between Kim Kardashian and Jared Kushner, the high priestess of reality television is coming to the White House. By late afternoon on Wednesday, Secret Service agents will wave Kardashian and her attorney through the southwest appointment gate to the West Wing, where they will meet Kushner to discuss prison reform before he walks with them to sit down with President Donald Trump, likely in the Oval Office, along with White House counsel. According to a person familiar with the meeting, Kardashian plans to ask Trump to pardon a woman serving a life sentence without parole for a first-time drug offense. (White House staffers have joked about who will get to accompany her to the West Wing, and what they should wear for the occasion. The White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment.)

Prison reform is an issue near and dear to Kushner, whose father, Charles, spent more than a year in a federal prison camp in 2005 and 2006 on charges of tax evasion, illegal campaign contributions, and witness tampering. The experience left an indelible mark on the young Kushner who, for years, carried a wallet his father made for him in prison; when he joined the White House as senior adviser, he vowed to help improve the system that his father had come through. And so, while other initiatives in his once-dizzying portfolio have fallen by the wayside, Kushner has made significant progress in getting Republican lawmakers on board with the effort, bringing law enforcement officials and Evangelical leaders to the White House, taking meetings on Capitol Hill, and hosting dinner parties with key Washington power players at the home he shares with his wife, Ivanka Trump. He pushed Congress to support a bipartisan bill known as the First Step Act, which aims to better prepare inmates to re-enter society by incentivizing participation in job-training and drug-treatment programs, and which would also give nonviolent offenders more options to serve the ends of their sentences in halfway houses or home confinement. (Kushner’s father left prison 10 months early, and finished his two-year sentence at a halfway house in Newark, New Jersey.)

“If we can start showing that we can make the prisons more purposeful and more effective at lowering the recidivism rate over time, that may help the people who are trying to make the argument for sentencing reform,” Kushner said at an event in the East Room earlier this month. President Trump promised: “Get a bill to my desk, and I will sign it.” Last week, the House passed the First Step Act in a 360-59 vote.

Kardashian, a more recent prison reform evangelist, appears to be approaching the White House meeting with equal seriousness. She will not be bringing the camera crew for her reality show, Keeping Up with the Kardashians, nor will she bring a publicist or her sisters, according to the person familiar with the situation. (Her husband, Kanye West, who recently tweeted a photo of his red Make America Great Again hat, will not be present either, though there have been talks about him making a White House appearance of his own at a later, to-be-determined date.) Instead, Kardashian hopes to make a legal argument to President Trump for why he should pardon Alice Johnson, a 62-year-old great-grandmother serving a life sentence without parole for a first-time drug offense. More than 21 years after Johnson went to prison, Kardashian came across Johnson’s story on Twitter earlier this year and reached out to Ivanka, who connected her to Kushner, according to the source. In an interview earlier this month, Kardashian said that, if given the opportunity, she would “explain to [Trump] that, just like everybody else, we can make choices in our lives that we’re not proud of and that we don’t think through all the way.”

Kardashian’s plea, and Kushner’s push for reform, are at odds with the Trump administration’s own policies. In one of his first moves as attorney general, Jeff Sessions rescinded an Obama-era memo that increased leniency for low-level drug offenders, instructing federal prosecutors to bring punitive charges that could trigger precisely the sort of tough mandatory sentencing that condemned Johnson to life without parole. The president, however, has proven amenable to personal entreaties—especially when celebrities are involved. Last week, Trump hosted Sylvester Stallone, Lennox Lewis, and Deontay Wilder in the Oval Office, as they asked him to pardon Jack Johnson, the legendary boxer who, in 1913, was convicted of violating the Mann Act, which made it illegal to transport women across state lines for the purpose of prostitution or any other “immoral” reason. Johnson, who was widely believed to be convicted because he was black, served a year in prison. After Trump agreed to pardon Johnson, he said in a statement that he was pleased to be able to “correct a wrong that occurred in our history,” before throwing in a jab to his predecessor. “They thought it was going to be signed in the last administration, and that didn’t happen.”

The Kushner-Kardashian summit marks something of a turning point for the First Son-in-Law. It will be Kushner’s first major act since he was granted a permanent, top-level security clearance last week, after more than a year of negative headlines about why his clearance had been delayed and then downgraded. Among White House tea-leaf readers, the news was received as evidence that perhaps Kushner’s legal exposure in Robert Mueller’s investigation might not be as severe as many had believed it to be, and gave credence to the idea that his standing in the West Wing might be somewhat restored. Those in Ivanka and Kushner’s social orbit in New York joked with each other about how much money they stood to lose on various bets they had made over when Kushner would be indicted by Mueller.

But Kushner and Ivanka are not focused on the chatter, or their old friends in New York—at least not on Wednesday. They plan to host Kardashian for dinner at their home after her presidential sit-down, a private evening with the most famous sibling of America’s other First Family.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Months of talks between Jared Kushner and Kim Kardashian is set to culminate in a meeting with President Trump, in which the reality-TV star will ask him to pardon a 62-year-old great-grandmother serving a life sentence without parole for a first-time drug offense.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-05-30   22:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: hondo68 (#0)

Why does a woman with nice blonde hair dye her roots brown?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-05-30   22:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Fred Mertz, Natural Peroxide Blonde (#2)

She dyed her eyebrows too so she looks twice as slutty. You'll have to ask The Donald about the rest of it.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-05-30   23:00:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: hondo68 (#1)

Months of talks between Jared Kushner and Kim Kardashian is set to culminate in a meeting with President Trump, in which the reality-TV star will ask him to pardon a 62-year-old great-grandmother serving a life sentence without parole for a first-time drug offense.

I didn't think I would ever agree with a Kardashian on anything,but damned if she isn't right about this IF the case is as she presented it.

Only cold-blooded murder or treason should qualify as first-offense death or life sentences.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-31   0:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#4)

I didn't think I would ever agree with a Kardashian on anything,but damned if she isn't right about this IF the case is as she presented it.

Only cold-blooded murder or treason should qualify as first-offense death or life sentences.

I wonder if she'll bring up this case as well.

This Man Was Released From Prison and Rebuilt His Life; Two Years Later He Got Sent Back Because of an 'Error'

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-05-31   5:15:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#5)

I wonder if she'll bring up this case as well.

This Man Was Released From Prison and Rebuilt His Life; Two Years Later He Got Sent Back Because of an 'Error'

I hope so. There should never be ANY prison sentences handed out that are not subject to review. Courts as well as people make mistakes,and sometimes they may even make a "mistake" on purpose depending on who the defendant is and the local prejudices.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-31   9:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: hondo68 (#0)

I see breaking news that Trump will give a full pardon to Dinesh D'Souza today.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-31   9:31:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: hondo68 (#0)

Kardashian said that, if given the opportunity, she would “explain to [Trump] that, just like everybody else, we can make choices in our lives that we’re not proud of and that we don’t think through all the way.”

And I hope Trump explains to Kardashian that actions have consequences -- especially when those actions span a period of three years and involve 2,000 2,000-3,000 kilograms (that's over 3 tons) of cocaine trafficking and millions of dollars of money laundering. How many hundreds of life did she ruin with her "non-violence".

Obama granted clemency to 231 individuals in December 2016, many of whom had similar drug-related charges. But not her. That should tell you something.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-31   10:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative (#7)

I see breaking news that Trump will give a full pardon to Dinesh D'Souza today.

He served his sentence and paid the fines for his illegal $20,000 Senate campaign contribution. It was believed by many at the time (2012) that this was "selective prosecution" and payback for his negative portrayals of Hillary and Obama.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-31   10:17:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#9)

It was believed by many at the time (2012) that this was "selective prosecution" and payback for his negative portrayals of Hillary and Obama.

Believed by many because it was 100% accurate.

The meaning was clear: if you're a conservative thorn in their side, you'd better not so much as jaywalk if you're within reach of a Dem prosecutor.

The Dems are reviving this strategy, as evidenced by the tens of millions that Soros is pouring into key races for DA in various cities.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-31   10:20:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#8) (Edited)

Obama granted clemency to 231 individuals in December 2016, many of whom had similar drug-related charges. But not her. That should tell you something.

I tend to agree. She should have gone to prison certainly, whether it was a first-time offense or whether she personally was involved with the rampant violence associated with the narcotics trade.

But that sentence was quite excessive. All her co-defendants ratted her out to cut deals so the prosecutor went for the full prosecution on her to rack one up for his courtroom victory tally (probably to use that record to run for higher office or to get promoted to higher prosecutorial jobs).

I think it would be a mistake to pardon her. But considering how light the sentences are for more serious crimes than hers, I'm not upset that Trump is commuting the sentence.

He definitely should not pardon her though. Commutation only.

Notice the pattern here. Stallone and a few others got him to pardon the dead boxer, Trump met with Van Jones and worked with him on sentencing reform (for which Van Jones promptly got labelled an Uncle Tom), now he's pardoning D'Souza and shortly will commute this woman narcotics trafficker who did get an unusually harsh sentence IMO.

Trump does seem more willing to do these pardons if they have celeb advocates that will come to the WH personally.     : )

Trump is the closest thing we have to a living P.T. Barnum.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-31   10:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#10)

The Dems are reviving this strategy,

As long as we have conservative Presidents like Trump holding the "Full Pardon" stamp, they're free to waste their time, money, and reputations doing that.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-31   10:32:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Tooconservative (#11)

But that sentence was quite excessive.

For moving 3 tons of cocaine? Over a period of three years? Laundering hundreds of millions of dollars?

This was a big-time operation, and you can't tell me that in those three years no one was injured or killed. "Non- violent", my ass.

Her co-defendants ratted her out because she was the Big Kahuna. You go after the little people to get the big people. She was big people.

Plus, we only have her side of the story. She made a "mistake". She's sowwy. Screw her. May she rot in prison. I have no sympathy for drug traffickers. She knew the rules. She knew the risks. She could have stopped any time.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-31   10:51:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#11)

Trump does seem more willing to do these pardons if they have celeb advocates that will come to the WH personally.

Well, they do shine a brighter light that is hard to hide from. Makes it more difficult for the MSM to ignore, that's for sure.

"Trump is the closest thing we have to a living P.T. Barnum."

In a good way.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-31   10:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#13)

Her co-defendants ratted her out because she was the Big Kahuna. You go after the little people to get the big people. She was big people.

My reading indicates that she was a bit player in a much larger operation. If you have read otherwise, post it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-31   11:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: misterwhite (#14) (Edited)

Well, they do shine a brighter light that is hard to hide from. Makes it more difficult for the MSM to ignore, that's for sure.

Nah. Trump loves having his own White House Celebrity Apprentice program going.

He just eats that stuff up, loves hobnobbing with the rich and famous for the cameras. And especially having them come to beg him for favors.

Trump is still Trump. I'm not sure why anyone thought he would really change.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-31   11:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Tooconservative (#15) (Edited)

My reading indicates that she was a bit player in a much larger operation.

There's always a larger operation … until you get to the cartel itself. She was a big enough player in her $200 million operation that the feds got the people below her to testify against her.

Maybe she refused to rat out her boss, so the buck stopped with her.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-31   11:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative (#16)

Trump is still Trump. I'm not sure why anyone thought he would really change.

The people who voted for him hoped he wouldn't change. And you're right. He hasn't.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-31   11:39:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: misterwhite (#17)

Yahoo, FWIW:

Johnson has been imprisoned for 21 years since she was found guilty of drug conspiracy and money laundering in 1997, according to a 2013 profile by Mic. The single mother of four is from Olive Branch, Miss., and first got pregnant at age 15. She divorced her husband in 1989 and developed a gambling addiction, which resulted in the loss of her 10-year career at FedEx. She filed for bankruptcy and her home foreclosed, and one year later, in 1992, her son was killed while riding a scooter.

Alice Marie Johnson has been in prison for 21 years for a first-time, nonviolent drug offense. pic.twitter.com/VFe29D2ve8

— Mic (@mic) October 23, 2017

Johnson then became involved in drug dealing, specifically engaging with a multimillion-dollar organization that carried cocaine from Memphis. According to Mic, during the trial, Johnson’s partners plotted against her, despite her minimal role (she alleges that she never sold drugs but rather assisted with communications in the organization), resulting in her life sentence at Aliceville Correctional Facility in Alabama without parole, plus 25 years.

To be fair, most of the articles about her do not detail the evidence brought against her. She claims she functioned as a telephone mule, relaying messages to various members of the local gang. Maybe she was the head of the gang but they seem to have no evidence that she was. Others were convicted but given light sentences or probation for testifying against her. They had strong incentives to blame her for everything.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-31   12:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete, Deckard, *Bill of Rights-Constitution* (#7)

I see breaking news that Trump will give a full pardon to Dinesh D'Souza today.

That's good but none of these pardons/commutations solve the basic underlying problems, which requires legislative action as well as executive action to rectify bad policies, bureaucratic regulations, and evil and/or apathetic administration. There's no incentive in gov to perform well. The floaters rise to the top.

Mandatory minimums, three strikes, qualified immunity, civil asset forfeiture need to go for starters. . Major judicial & justice reforms are needed, and Trump and Sessions are on the wrong track, along with the vast majority of the D&R party.

The Donald loves to meet with celebrities and get in the news, but that's not getting 'er done!

Hondo68  posted on  2018-05-31   13:02:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Tooconservative (#19)

"She claims she functioned as a telephone mule …"

"I jess answered the phone. I din know they was selling coke."

Those 10 who testified against her. What did they say she did? They have no reason to lie. She does.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-31   14:13:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: misterwhite (#21)

Those 10 who testified against her. What did they say she did? They have no reason to lie. She does.

Come now. They had lots of reasons to lie. Like getting probation for actually moving and supplying the product. They could all blame her, saying they were just following her orders by phone on what to pick up and where to deliver it.

Even so, her sentence seems pretty harsh by the sentencing guidelines and by the standard set in similar crimes committed at the time and punished by the courts.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-31   14:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Tooconservative (#22)

They had lots of reasons to lie.

They had a deal. Why jeopardize it by telling 10 different stories? The truth is less complicated.

"her sentence seems pretty harsh by the sentencing guidelines"

Trafficking 3,000 kilos of cocaine is off the chart of any federal guideline I could find. She got (I think) life plus 25 years. I guess that means her corpse will be incarcerated.

I'll make you a deal. I'm willing to pardon the corpse.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-31   15:08:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: misterwhite (#23)

I'm afraid Trump is ready to make that deal. Our opinions don't count as much as a Kardashian's, it seems.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-31   15:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Tooconservative (#24)

I'm afraid Trump is ready to make that deal.

Jack Johnson and now Alice Johnson? Maybe Trump is going after the black vote.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-05-31   15:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: misterwhite (#25)

Maybe Trump is going after the black vote.

Is there any doubt?

The black folks have to keep on the move so Trump doesn't show up and try to take a photo with them.

Trump would love to cripple the Dems by slicing off another 10%-20% of the black vote. He already did better in 2016 than most GOP candidates and his support is growing, including Kanye. Van Jones worked with him. Kanye kinda defends him.

So, yeah, Trump absolutely wants to cut deals with blacks if he gets some credit for it. And that's what is finally happening.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-31   15:21:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: All, misterwhite, hondo68, Fred Mertz, sneakypete, Liberator (#26)

Breaking now:

HotGas: Trump: I might commute Rod Blagojevich’s sentence and pardon Martha Stewart

He's outta control!

I can see why. Blago got an excessive sentence and I hate Martha Stewart with a passion but she was totally railroaded while others who did much worse stuff didn't even get their wrists slapped. And everyone knows it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-31   15:28:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Tooconservative (#27)

He's outta control!

There's some speculation that this is Trump's way of telling Manafort & Cohen that he's got their backs. So STFU, and you'll get your pardons.

Seems like the Clinton's already got a stealth pardon?

Hondo68  posted on  2018-05-31   16:20:44 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: hondo68 (#28)

There's some speculation that this is Trump's way of telling Manafort & Cohen that he's got their backs. So STFU, and you'll get your pardons.

The HotGas take was similar, that Trump is choosing those cases in particular to blur the lines of legitimate prosecution and miscarriages of justice. And that he is doing this to undermine Mueller and the FBI and lay the groundwork for a possible pardon of Flynn and/or Manafort.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-31   16:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Tooconservative (#27)

I hate Martha Stewart with a passion but she was totally railroaded while others who did much worse stuff didn't even get their wrists slapped.

I have always wondered whose soup bowl she had pissed in. She got a tip on the stock market that kept her from losing millions,and she acted on it to protect her assets.

Who WOULDN'T?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-31   19:19:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: hondo68 (#0)

Kim Kardashian Heads to the White House

Who G. A. S.

Having interest in nobodies like the Kardashian’s, is like following the “royal” unimportant nobodies in the UK.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-05-31   19:25:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: sneakypete, Liberator (#30) (Edited)

I have always wondered whose soup bowl she had pissed in. She got a tip on the stock market that kept her from losing millions,and she acted on it to protect her assets.

It was nowhere near a total of millions. It was like $40K. And she lost most o it anyway.

They really got her for lying to the feds and she got out of a Club Fed after five months or so.

It was one of those ghastly NYC political prosecutions with the D.A. sending out his goons to handcuff her and frogmarch her to a booking with every media outlet in town tipped off to show up and take non-stop photos. Even Harvey Weinstein didn't get such a full treatment for his rape hobby as what they gave Martha Stewart.

Again, don't think for a second that I like Martha Stewart. But I did really like her "guest appearance" on South Park some years back, showing how to eat a turkey.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-31   19:36:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: GrandIsland, way down deep, Donnell is very shallow (#31)

Having interest in nobodies like the Kardashian’s, is like following the “royal” unimportant nobodies in the UK.

Please inform Donnell directly of your displeasure. Thank you for finally noticing that Trump is a maroon.

Better late, than never.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-05-31   19:46:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: hondo68 (#33)

Washington Examiner: Patricia Blagojevich says same people who took down her husband are gunning for Trump: 'Now they’ve got their sights much higher’

You just know Trump is eating this stuff up.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-31   20:26:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Tooconservative (#32)

Again, don't think for a second that I like Martha Stewart. But I did really like her "guest appearance" on South Park some years back, showing how to eat a turkey.

There is something wrong at the genetic level with anyone that doesn't like South Park.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-31   20:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#35) (Edited)

The two best skits are....

1) The F word

2) Wheel of Fortune (N_GGERS)

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-05-31   21:06:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: GrandIsland (#36)

The two best skits are....

1) The F word

2) Wheel of Fortune (N_GGERS)

I have no idea how I could even narrow it down to the best 200 skits.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-31   23:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Tooconservative (#7)

I see breaking news that Trump will give a full pardon to Dinesh D'Souza today.

And good news it was.

Vindication at last for D-Sousa. This was the all-time most outrageous case of select partisan-political hit by the 0bama's SS.

FREE! FREE AT LAST!!

When Trump wins in 2020, the gig is fully up for the entire 0bama-ValJar-Klintoon-Holder Gangstas.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   11:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Liberator (#38)

Vindication at last for D-Sousa. This was the all-time most outrageous case of select partisan-political hit by the 0bama's SS.

And he's no longer an ex-felon. So that makes a difference in his life in a lot of ways. Even things like getting a credit card are impacted by a felony record that resulted in prison time. Other stuff too.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-01   11:27:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: misterwhite, TooConservative, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#8)

And I hope Trump explains to Kardashian that actions have consequences -- especially when those actions span a period of three years and involve 2,000 2,000-3,000 kilograms (that's over 3 tons) of cocaine trafficking and millions of dollars of money laundering. How many hundreds of life did she ruin with her "non-violence".

Ok, I get that perspective and principle, but what's important here is THE. BIG. PICTURE. Let that go for a moment. We have entered a new political paradigm to consider whether we like it or not.

The visceral reaction to Kardashian's invitation to the WH is much the same as that of Kanya West: An eyeball roll + snicker...

...Until you consider the PR value and clout of co-opting the value of the Kanya-Kardasian Fan Base. And other Hollywood reinforcement.

If we are engaged in a cold Civil War (which many believe IS the case), this IS 5-D Chess in action. Trump's tactic is attempting to deliver blows to the Left's flank, trying to create a break in their Social Media "Maginot Line". (This war is not being fought with bullets and bombs.)

Can we deny that Social Media is the new weaponized "armor" in the Culture War?

Yes, we can easily be dismissive about this move by Trump as PT Barnum stuff, but after all -- Contemporary Politics HAS become "Show-Biz", hasn't it? Trump should weaponize his celebrity. ON OUR BEHALF. The Left has long weaponized show-biz to influence the sheep, hasn't it?

Trump didn't become a Gazillionaire, defeat the Uni-Party/NWO, and get elected President of the USA by becoming predictable and complacent.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   11:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Tooconservative (#39)

He's [DiSouza] no longer an ex-felon. So that makes a difference in his life in a lot of ways. Even things like getting a credit card are impacted by a felony record that resulted in prison time. Other stuff too.

Yup. As well as psychologically and stigma-wise.

DiSouza took a yuge risk and hit for the Right Side of this Culture War/Civil War. President Trump *knows* this. He also know the DiSouza case was a similar witch-hunt.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   11:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: misterwhite (#9)

It was believed by many at the time (2012) that this was "selective prosecution" and payback for his negative portrayals of Hillary and Obama.

But what do YOU believe in this case?

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   11:49:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Tooconservative (#27)

Blago got an excessive sentence and I hate Martha Stewart with a passion but she was totally railroaded while others who did much worse stuff didn't even get their wrists slapped.

I tend to agree with your overall assessment and opinion, although I have no hate for Martha Stewart. She's been very successful at what she does and my friend's mom is a big time fan of hers. She got railroaded.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-06-01   11:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Tooconservative (#11)

Notice the pattern here. Stallone and a few others got him to pardon the dead boxer, Trump met with Van Jones and worked with him on sentencing reform (for which Van Jones promptly got labelled an Uncle Tom), now he's pardoning D'Souza and shortly will commute this woman narcotics trafficker who did get an unusually harsh sentence IMO.

Trump does seem more willing to do these pardons if they have celeb advocates that will come to the WH personally. : )

Trump is the closest thing we have to a living P.T. Barnum.

I stole your PT Barnum reference in my previous post ;-)....Because it's too good analogy.

Yes, there IS obviously a pattern here to his pardons; They are calculated to create sympathies and alliances within the Show-Biz/Minoritah communitahs. (5-D Chess)

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   11:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Liberator (#40)

Yes, we can easily be dismissive about this move by Trump as PT Barnum stuff

I think Trump and his lawyers are executing a legal strategy.

They're "dumbing down" the standards for prosecution of unrelated crimes, for lying to the FBI about inconsequentials, for maliciously selective prosecution, etc.

IOW, they're trying to gaslight the entire political prosecutions circus.

He already pardoned Scooter Libby. With the Martha Stewart and Blagojevich pardons, he'll further blur a lot more lines. And create even more doubt about whether Mueller can accomplish anything if Trump looks ready to drop pardons all over to anyone they go after. Including himself (unless he decides to schedule a sedated medical exam to hand the presidency to Pence for a few hours and when Trump wakes up he discovers Pence pardoned him).

We should watch the Dersh. This kind of strategy using pardons really sounds like something he would cook up. And he is everywhere these days, slugging away for Trump. I'd bet that Dersh is passing notes or making calls to Giuliani, offering advice and legal theory. Why wouldn't they solicit his opinion? He is a top legal scholar even in retirement.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-01   11:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite (#16)

He just eats that stuff up, loves hobnobbing with the rich and famous for the cameras. And especially having them come to beg him for favors.

Trump is still Trump. I'm not sure why anyone thought he would really change.

True. And true.

Trump WILL grow on these Hollywood types and celebs...as he reminds them, "SEE? I'M ONE OF YOU!"

Savvy PR moves.

As I;d suggested, he's attempting to out-flanking circumventing the engines that drive public relations: TV, Celebrity, and especially Social Media.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   11:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Tooconservative (#45)

I think Trump and his lawyers are executing a legal strategy.

They're "dumbing down" the standards for prosecution of unrelated crimes, for lying to the FBI about inconsequentials, for maliciously selective prosecution, etc.

IOW, they're trying to gaslight the entire political prosecutions circus.

Interesting theory...and strategery ("Inconsequentials" is the keyword).

Another presumed "5-D Chess" move.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   12:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Tooconservative (#47)

Yes, as well as, "maliciously selective prosecution, etc." in the cases he's pardoned.

Brilliant.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   12:06:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: hondo68, Tooconservative, sneakypete, Deckard (#20)

That's good but none of these pardons/commutations solve the basic underlying problems, which requires legislative action as well as executive action to rectify bad policies, bureaucratic regulations, and evil and/or apathetic administration. There's no incentive in gov to perform well.

True, good point...

But Rome wasn't built in a day either. Trump can only advance the football down the field.

Eventually legislators are left to dealing with their own conscience and obligation. (A long shot, admittedly.)

Of course draining them of their profiteering on the backs of American taxpayers, "sweetheart-deals" that inexplicably make them multi-millionaires, and outright TREASON as they sell out our security is the goal. Trump threatens "business-as-usual", which is one major reason they have targeted him.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   12:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Tooconservative (#26)

Trump would love to cripple the Dems by slicing off another 10%-20% of the black vote. He already did better in 2016 than most GOP candidates and his support is growing, including Kanye. Van Jones worked with him. Kanye kinda defends him.

So, yeah, Trump absolutely wants to cut deals with blacks if he gets some credit for it. And that's what is finally happening.

Absolutely.

He is denting the Plantation Vote. But more importantly, exposing the Dem game while changing blacks perception of themselves and why, "WE ALL MUST VOTE DEM".

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   12:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Tooconservative (#27)

The Blago pardon might be more about releasing him (along with the Hounds of Truth over Cihi-Town politics as well as his relationship in Chicago with Zero.)

Blago knows where the bodies are buried. This is another shot over the bow of the USS ZERO.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   12:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: hondo68 (#28)

Seems like the Clinton's already got a stealth pardon?

NOT remotely.

The Witch's Day is a-coming.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   12:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Liberator (#46)

Trump WILL grow on these Hollywood types and celebs...as he reminds them, "SEE? I'M ONE OF YOU!"

No, they will never accept him again. One of the rules of Hollyweird is that you don't ever get to come back once you've been thoroughly expelled from the herd.

They'd rather have Mel Gibson or some of the #MeToo rapey guys like Weinstein or that serial child molester Polanski than Trump.

Trump loves that role as the Decider. He revels in it. It's just like his old Apprentice show. People groveling (especially celebrities groveling) and wanting stuff from him which he will grant or withhold for incomprehensible reasons. And all of it on TV of course. LOL

That's our Don-don.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-01   12:25:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: sneakypete (#30)

I have always wondered whose soup bowl she had pissed in. She got a tip on the stock market that kept her from losing millions,and she acted on it to protect her assets.

Yeah, that was an obvious BS prosecution. She did nothing out of the ordinary. Ego-maniacal Comey is said to have been behind this whole circus and used the Stewart prosecution as career Viagra.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   12:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Tooconservative (#53)

No, they will never accept him again.

I agree that *most* won't; He knows that. But he's already set up enough defections to hurt the Left's cause. He's accomplishing the same of Black support. If he converts just 10%, that's all he needs to do. Any more is a bonus.

One of the rules of Hollyweird is that you don't ever get to come back once you've been thoroughly expelled from the herd.

True. And it has been THE Rule". But Trump has been shattering ALL the "rules".

The power and clout of the Presidency can't be dismissed (especially not Trump's.) Trump changed the Dem-GOP paradigm when we didn't think it possible. Maybe he can do the same of Hollywood. Trump is The Big Dawg.

They'd rather have Mel Gibson or some of the #MeToo rapey guys like Weinstein or that serial child molester Polanski than Trump.

Sure appears that way. I'd submit that their cult is facing defections now that widespread abuse and hypocrisy AND political-insanity-run-amok has been exposed. These people need Daddy. For SOME Trump is it.

Trump loves that role as the Decider. He revels in it. It's just like his old Apprentice show. People groveling (especially celebrities groveling) and wanting stuff from him which he will grant or withhold for incomprehensible reasons. And all of it on TV of course. LOL...That's our Don-don.

He does, doesn't it? Fun to watch. Glad he's on our side. The Left has good reason to fear this guy's charisma.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   12:36:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: sneakypete (#35)

There is something wrong at the genetic level with anyone that doesn't like South Park.

It's got its moments..but I find it just too juvenile and classless.

Liberator  posted on  2018-06-01   12:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Liberator (#50)

He is denting the Plantation Vote. But more importantly, exposing the Dem game while changing blacks perception of themselves and why, "WE ALL MUST VOTE DEM".

He won't really budge that black vote that much with his current actions.

What would change a lot of black votes is campaigning for complete school choice so that state and federal money follows the student wherever their parents choose to send them in public or private schools, something black parents desperately want and something the Dem party is absolutely committed to preventing.

It's the one real wedge issue the GOP has with black voters. This is what they want and that the Dems refuse to give them. And black voters are somewhat restive, realizing how little the Dems did for them overall despite having 0bama in office for 8 years, a House majority and 60-vote Senate for 2 years, and strong position in the Senate throughout even after they lost the 60-vote majority. And what did blacks get for all that? Well, kinda nothing really. And they know it.

The Plantation is a little restive. They're asking themselves if they can cut a better deal even with the hated GOP. And Van Jones and Kanye/Kim really do help make that more thinkable, more doable. This is the reason why the libmedia has been so insanely determined to oppose Trump on everything, so as to resist "normalizing" his presidency. IOW, make him so radioactive that anyone who does deal with him gets branded an Uncle Tom, even a Lefty of impeccable standing like Van Jones. Now some of them talk about him like he's Clarence Thomas's long-lost twin, part of a matching porch monkey set for Da White Man. Or in this case, Da Orange Man.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-01   12:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Liberator (#55) (Edited)

He's accomplishing the same of Black support. If he converts just 10%, that's all he needs to do. Any more is a bonus.

Trump already got that. Hitlery got 88% of the black vote, Trump got 8%. (0bama got 93% in 2012, meaning that Milquetoast Mitt didn't do as well with black voters as The Amazing Donaldo. And don't think Trump doesn't relish that fact too. He loves this stuff, loves all the "winning".)

The improved economy, the tax cuts, rising wages, record low black unemployment have undoubtedly pushed Trump's support to 10%-12% by now. It's not unthinkable that Trump could garner 15% of the black vote now.

But seriously offering school choice legislation by the GOP could drive those numbers as high as 20%, 25%, or even 30%. And that, numerically, is the death toll of the Dem party. It could cripple the NEA entirely as a major Dem subsidiary. They can't win about half of their current Blue seats in Congress without that uniformity of black voter support.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-01   12:55:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: (#0)

TRUMP MEETS RUMP!

Woo hoo!

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-06-01   15:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Tooconservative (#57)

They're asking themselves if they can cut a better deal even with the hated GOP

The generic answer is no. But they can cut a deal with the King, and he'll make the GOP do his bidding. Trump is the key, not the GOP.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-06-01   15:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Vicomte13 (#60)

The generic answer is no. But they can cut a deal with the King, and he'll make the GOP do his bidding. Trump is the key, not the GOP.

Not true really. Various elements of the GOP have tried for years to ram through school choice. They had it for a while even in DC, then 0bama came to power and re-enabled the teachers' unions and ruined it all. A lot of blacks were pretty unhappy to be forced back to their old inferior neighborhood schools so the suburbs could go back to being accidentally all-white and lavishly funded.

In fact, Trump isn't all that interested in the issue. I can name a number of GOP elected officials who have championed this cause for many years. A few have even bankrolled private schools for inner city kids (Mitch Daniels did it with some fellow-Presbys, for instance).

And school choice fits well for private schools and homeschools as well. So the GOP is broadly in favor of all these things over urban schools that are primarily run for the benefit of the teachers' unions and administrators and that fail their mission miserably, year after year.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-06-01   15:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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