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Title: Cops Raid Little Boys Lemonade Stand, Shut it Down for Not Having a Permi
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Free Thought Project
URL Source: https://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-denver-lemonade-stand-permit/
Published: May 30, 2018
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2018-05-30 21:17:33 by Deckard
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Views: 16384
Comments: 102
Common sense, among those who work inside the state, is a rare commodity. Agents of the state, like those who work in law enforcement, often become so blinded to reality by ‘just doing my job’ they throw logic and reason to the wayside, choosing authority and force instead. Nothing highlights this blind order following quite like police tormenting a two young boys for the crime of selling lemonade without a permit. Jennifer Knowles, mother of three boys, wanted to instill a bit of entrepreneurial spirit in her sons over the Memorial Day weekend. So, Knowles and her husband decided they would have her four and six-year-old sons run a lemonade stand. “We have never had a lemonade stand and the boys thought Memorial Day weekend is going to be great weather, so why not have a lemonade stand across the street in the park,” Knowles said. Knowles told Denver 7 that she remembered having lemonade stands when she was a kid and she wanted her kids to do the same. “I want to teach my kids about being an entrepreneur and having your own business. My 6-year-old got his little toy cash register out that he got when he was about two or three and he was learning how to interact with customers and about customer service,” Knowles said. On top of teaching her children how to be entrepreneurs, Knowles said she wanted to teach them about giving to those less fortunate as well. “We here are very fortunate and we forget that many kids in the world are not as fortunate as we are in Colorado or in the country, and so I wanted to teach them how to donate money to a charity,” Knowles said. Knowles explained that her two sons picked a child in Indonesia to whom the proceeds from the lemonade stand would provide food and fresh water. “They picked a little 5-year-old boy from Indonesia with siblings, two siblings, kind of like them,” she said. The plan was set. The boys then set up their lemonade stand in the park across the street from their home and went to selling. “They got a lot of people coming and praising the boys and telling them that they were doing a great job,” Knowles said. “That was so good for my boys to hear and for them to interact with people they’ve never met before in a business way.” However, their good deed and entrepreneurial spirit would soon be squashed as police showed up just an hour and a half into their venture. “The police officers came over and they said that because my boys and I did not have permits for a lemonade stand they shut us down and we had to stop immediately,” she said. “My boys were crushed. They were devastated. And I can’t believe that happened. I remember as a child I always had lemonade stands and never had to worry about being shut down by the police officers. I mean that’s unheard of.” When her children saw the police coming toward them, they naturally got scared. “My 6-year-old he saw the police officers coming over and he ran and he hid,” she said. “My 4-year-old came over and was looking at the police officer and heard what he was saying. He started to frown and then he started to cry. And it made me want to cry because they were so upset.” Knowles explained that the police were nice but they were still shutting them down because someone had reported the children for selling unlicensed lemonade. In other words, they were just doing their jobs. After being shut down for selling lemonade without a license, Knowles did some digging and found out that there is actually no law explicitly prohibiting lemonade stands. However, there were no laws explicitly permitting them either—meaning that these officers could’ve used their discretion and allowed the kids to continue selling, but they did not. City officials, however, did say that they will shut down lemonade stands if they get a complaint. “If our inspectors go to a lemonade stand, it means we’ve received a complaint, and generally complaints stem from high levels of activity or noise that disrupt neighbors,” Communications Program Manager Alexandra Foster told Denver7. Sadly, Knowles has now felt the wrath of government regulation and issued a warning to other parents. “I want parents know that they need to be aware that if their kids want to have a lemonade stand there could be repercussions like there with my kids,” Knowles said. While Knowles’ children escaped without a fine, other children who’ve dared to sell the cool lemony goodness without a permit haven’t been so lucky. As TFTP reported last year, a five-year-old girl was issued a citation after she set up a lemonade stand without first obtaining a permit. In 2015, comedian Jerry Seinfeld’s son, Julian, and two friends set up a lemonade stand to raise money for a charity. However, thanks to a see something say something neighbor, police were notified of the illegal lemonade venture. Hero officers then swooped in to shut down the stand, citing local village law violations. After being shut down, Jerry and family posed for an epic pic, trolling both the police and the neighbor who would call the cops to shut down a charitable lemonade stand. In Portland, Ore. an 11-year-old girl wanted to sell mistletoe from their farm at a holiday market to help her dad pay for her braces, which cost $5,000. But the Parks Bureau refused to let her set up without a permit, lease or concession agreement. She was told she could beg instead.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
Troll the elected officials that crafted the local ordinance or state law, regulating permits for food service profit... and troll that neighbor who complained. The cops were simply enforcing the law after a tax paying citizen complained and demanded her local police SERVE THEM.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I hope they put this little scofflaw in prison. They should all be on a chain gang or breaking rocks at hard labor. I'm sick of these lemonade-addled criminals. Let them get away with selling lemonade illegally and next thing you know they are narcotics traffickers.
The problem is with the idiot elected officials that craft such laws without writing in exemptions for those under 16 years of age, operating on private residential property. Where was the concern, when the law was crafted and put on the books?
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
They still have obligations to protect the public health from unhygienic vendors. In addition, restaurants and other vendors pay business licenses and have inspections done. How is it fair to burden them in that way and let someone who is under 16yo (entirely arbitrary) and on private property to sell anything they want to the public as a beverage? Keep in mind, there are instances where lemonade stands have led to food poisoning outbreaks. That is the part of the story these poor-wee-lemonade-stand-kid-gets-busted-by-jackbooted-cops articles will never tell. So: piffle. You're wrong. And you should admit it. You'd feel better.
I agree will all you posted, prior to you posting it. My post was an idea to appease the paultards... but maybe the paultards don’t really give a shit about 8 year old Johnny getting shut down. Maybe they just like to spread cop hatred. lol
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
This. Yep. That's the whole purpose of these annual lemonade tykes stories. It's almost become a literary genre of its own.
I hate to step on your toes, but your continual "turn-off" posts are proof you don't know diddly-squat: Unfortunately, you are technically incapable or incapacitated by current events much less acting as an ass in publick.
I guess the moral of the story for the kids is that when they grow up, they can be cops instead of productive business people.
Should that be done for every last law, ordinance & regulation on every local, state and federal book? Given the huge amount of bureaucracy Americans are faced with, that's simply not realistic. If a cop gets it in his head to pull over and cite everyone he sees not using a turn signal on a highway when changing lanes, is it still not the cops fault for "enforcing the law that's on the books"? Generally speaking, the separation of powers doctrine provides that the group that passes the laws can't be the same group that enforces them, so the executive branch, in this case the police, has the option to elect NOT to enforce laws in particular cases. But these cops chose otherwise.
We nesd a sense of ethics and morals beyond production capacity & capability. despite all the directives ny top management/
This. Yep. That's the whole purpose of these annual lemonade tykes stories. You frikkin' clowns just don't get it, do you? I doubt that you ever will. Stories like this one display just how far this nation has gone down the tubes when it comes to freedom. Nobody would have called the cops on kids selling lemonade in the past or if they did, these Gladys Kravitzes would have been roundly mocked and shunned by their neighbors or the cops would have ignored their complaints. Not anymore. We have become A Nation of Narcs Good grief!
In what way? I said these stories are all pretty phony and that we can easily expect an annual rash of them, always casting the cops as jackboots shooting lemony tykes. I'm not even sure what a "turn-off post" is. I suppose it's something you made up to feel important about.
I do find it interesting how these stories always erupt in the spring. Some citrused-up tykes are being oppressed by the jackboots. The rest of the year, the cops can tase people in wheelchairs, shoot anyone for most any reason and then get off with the ol' IWFFML (by saying "I was frightened for my life"), on and on and on. But apparently the one kind of anti-cop story you can play on Fox News or that gets big clicks on Drudge or other sites are the ones about those dirty cops going after crappy lemonade stands run by rugrats. It's the only kind of anti-cop stories that ever get traction with the law-and-order crowd. While a few of the lemonade busts have certainly been due to nosy neighbors or traditional storefront competitors, usually it's just the cops driving by and seeing a lemonade stand. So are you complaining about the narcing or the cops?
You sound stupidest when you try to sound like an intellectual. It just doesn't work for you. That sentence doesn't even make sense.
I think it is ridiculous that your nanny state isn't in every mother's kitchen. There have been no inspections of kitchens in people's homes. I'm outtraged what if some mother serves her kids some bad food with germs on it. In this day and age there is no excuse to cook at home in an unregulated kitchen. You could hurt your very own children. That can of Campbell's soup in an unsanitized pan. There is simply no excuse to cook at home. Everyone should be forced to eat out every meal. Cooking for yourself is so dangerous and twentieth century.
Oh and don't get me started if you want to cook for guests. You don't even have liability insurance should they get sick in your filthy uninspected kitchen.
Due to many thousands of outbreaks of food poisoning, we have regulations on selling food and beverages. None of those regulations make exception for grubby little rugrats hawking "lemonade" (which no one makes any more at all, they all use powdered lemonade mix). I'm surprised they never go after the much larger offenders, like church bake sales or pep club vending at school games or parents bringing homemade cookies to class for a birthday or other event. Those all violate the same laws as the little citrus-bandits.
You aren't selling to a guest. You do understand there is a difference between private home food preparation and preparing/serving food as a public business?
Regardless of where you are serving the food it still needs to be clean and germ free. It's for the children you see. If not you could hurt your kids.
I read a story before where a mother gaabe her kids food poisoning and almost killed them. She wasn't even trying to have an abortion.
No but they are consuming. I buy lemonade from every kids lemonade stand. Even if I'm not thirsty. Never got sick never will.
Yes. For every law or ordinance that hasn’t been proven unconstitutional via CASE LAW... and there is a valid actual tax paying public COMPLIANT lodged. The officers have a duty to act... you have a duty to bitch to the asshole who crafted the law you don’t like. Stupid question... next.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
The diffrence is in your analogy, mom isn’t selling food products to her kids for profit. This is no different than a mom allowing her two 14 year olds to run a black jack table on the corner... 5 dollar minimum bets. Same thing, the kids are violating a constitutionally tester law or ordinance. Selling lemonade for MONEY, on a public sidewalk, to the passing public, is no different than selling Big Mac’s at McDonald’s... for the exception that McDonalds pays dearly with permits and health inspections to sell food, the kids aren’t. There was an actual complaint... a law was being violated. How can The responding department not act? Personally for me, if there wasn’t a complaint and I saw the lemonade stand on patrol... I’d stop and buy a drink. If the neighbor complained 30 minutes later and I was dispatched to the call... I’d arrive and shut it down. Drive away muttering how much a douchebag the neighbor is... and then realize the lemonade family might be bigger douchebags to live next to and that might be why the complaint was lodged.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I think people who haven't worked in law enforcement don't readily grasp these issues of practical law enforcement. To be fair, we all have to live under the same laws and their enforcement. If people want kiddie lemonade stands, they need to elect representatives who will write specific exceptions to beverage vending requirements and exempt from regulation and inspection all beverage businesses run by children under a certain age. But no one ever does that. And no one will. Instead, they'll whine and complain about these endless annual stories about some jackboot cop abusing some poor tyke trying to sell a glass of (possibly deadly) lemonade mix to the public. But let 10-20 people get sick from that lemonade, and they'll be howling at the police for allowing these scofflaws to break our beverage vending laws and health regulations.
Never got sick never will. So you insist that lemonade mix prepared by kiddies is scientifically incapable of causing disease. Isn't that quaint...
It's obvious that you are too young to remember when this was a free country and allowing kids to make money on their own was encouraged.
Yeah - in GrandIsland Bizarro Wold, anyone not a cop is a "douchebag". Man you are such an asshole! No wonder you became a cop - police departments are loaded with assholes like you.
Oops. Forgot all about the paperwork part. Plus, who sets up a private business on public property?
Don't give him any ideas.
Oh, so I guess I needed to file paperwork on all the money I earned mowing grass in the neighborhood as a teen? Plus, who sets up a private business on public property? Plenty of people do - of course if you and your ilk had their way, you'd put a stop to that as well.
No one showed up. No one cared. It's only when it affects them personally that they believe they should be the exception to the rule because they're special and their hearts are pure.
There was no such "law on the books". After being shut down for selling lemonade without a license, Knowles did some digging and found out that there is actually no law explicitly prohibiting lemonade stands. However, there were no laws explicitly permitting them either—meaning that these officers could’ve used their discretion and allowed the kids to continue selling, but they did not. "Selling lemonade without a license". Do you not see the absurdity in that statement?
Or practicing medicine.
You mean you haven't?
I'm old enough to remember when this was still a free country and kids weren't busted for selling lemonade to make a few bucks..
"Busted"? The kids were asked to stop because of a neighbor's complaint. I'm old enough to remember that when a neighbor complained about what we kids were doing we stopped. We may have grumbled about it, but we didn't call our lawyer, run to the media, and make a fucking federal case out of it. And we sure as shit didn't tell our parents, because they would have given it to us double. It's called respect -- for the rule of law, for the cop, for neighbors, for elders.
Uh no, it wasn't a "neighbor", someone from the nearby art show called police on her sons and complained. I'm old enough to remember that when a neighbor complained about what we kids were doing we stopped. The difference is that said neighbor would have worked it out with the kids, probably getting a free cup of lemonade for their trouble . THAT'S how neighbors are supposed to act, not call the cops as you are so want to do when you see someone engaging in an activity which you disapprove. Knowles set up a GoFundMe page for her boys to raise the money instead. As of Wednesday afternoon, they were already about halfway to their goal. Happy now Gladys? Your not allowing the kids to earn money on their own has resulted in making them beg for money.
Only if the kids act the way they're supposed to. More likely, today's kids would accuse the neighbor of cursing them, assaulting them, or even molesting them. And people would believe it and flood social media with the accusations. Screw that. I'm calling the police every time. Ain't nobody got time for that.
Who's teaching them that they should be afraid of the police, mom?
Well, no, there is no law explicitly prohibiting lemonade stands. The Denver city ordinance simply says you must have a pedder's license ($125 for a one day operation) to sell food and drink. Now here's the kicker the story didn't disclose. The kids set up their lemonade stand right next to the Denver Arts Festival, where there was a lemonade vendor. The kids sold lemonade 2/ $1 while the licensed vendor sold it for $7 a glass. "Knowles says they raked in about $200 for charity before police shut them down". Meaning they sold 400 glasses of lemonade. Meaning the licensed vendor lost $2,800. No wonder he was pissed. Thanks mom. A real "business" lesson.
They should have gone for the license. They still would have cleaned up at $4 glass. This goes back to what I was saying about a level playing field to compete for customers. The guy ripping people off for $7 lemonade had a lot higher costs. He probably had to pay the venue to have a stand. He had to have all the usual beverage/food safety items. Bathrooms and washing for employees, etc. And pay a minimum wage or more. And carry insurance. Et cetera, et cetera.
They already raised a little more than their target. See? Much easier to teach them to beg than to work for it. Smart kids, now they know how to make money next year. Get busted, whine on the internet, beg for money. They'll be experts at running their own griftathons in only a few years!
"And how, indeed, are the Goyim to perceive the underlying meaning of things when their rep-resentatives give the best of their energies to enjoying themselves? For our policy it is of the greatest importance to take cognizance of this detail; it will be of assistance to us when we come to consider the division of authority, freedom of speech, of the press, of religion (faith) , of the law of association, of equality before the law, of the inviolability of property, of the dwelling, of taxation (the idea of concealed taxes) , of the reflex force of the laws..." --Protocol No. 10 Somebody sure went through a lot of trouble to author that satirical commentary.
Ahem...
This story is amazing ! This story, and the comments from a number of the posters, shows that our nation has a serious deficit / lack of common sense !!! Many of the posters should be ashamed of their statements displaying their low IQ's and lack of common sense !! I am rather surprised at the comments of some of the posters ! I had previously thought better of them !! Based on the story, and many of the posters comments, if this line of thinking prevails across our nation, we are en route to bad times!
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers) AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.
I'm surprised no one posted the perp shot of these thugs:
Hero officers then swooped in to shut down the stand, citing local village law violations. Ha! Gotta love the reporting.
Well, partially true...I'd also blame whomever gave the order to "immediately shut down" the stand and make a scene. But given these "crafted-laws" and enforcement, how many technical "laws" aren't enforced and simple "courtesy warnings" issued instead? LE have leeway, you know that. In my opinion, the treatment was too heavy-handed. Couldn't the cops have given some common-sense leniency, have quietly spoken to the parent(s) and asked politely to shut it down within a half-hour or so? OTOH, cops in say Berkeley allow "the Law" to be broken by Leftist agitators. I guess what p*sses people off about this incident is a double standard by LE, equating "soft" laws with "hard" law, and the insensitive manner in which kids must be subject to direct LE interaction.
Given the huge amount of bureaucracy Americans are faced with, that's simply not realistic. If a cop gets it in his head to pull over and cite everyone he sees not using a turn signal on a highway when changing lanes, is it still not the cops fault for "enforcing the law that's on the books"? Exactly. This is a matter of propriety AND priority; NOT for weaponizing LE for petty BS. Now IF the tykes were hawking their wares on a weekly basis, then perhaps some LE action is warranted.
LOL, rather like future MS-13 !! Surprised some of the posters did not demand summary execution on the spot !!
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers) AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.
Well...They ARE breaking the Law. ;-)
Smart kids, now they know how to make money next year. Get busted, whine on the internet, beg for money. They'll be experts at running their own griftathons in only a few years! Sometimes I think your posts can be appreciated more.
Ha! Gotta love the reporting. " Drama queens !!
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers) AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.
I'm willing to consider it if they can't somehow curb these citrus terrorists! I really can't believe people are arguing over lemonade. What is this, 1918? Do people imagine they're going to stroll in a straw hat down to the bandstand in the park to listen keenly to some favorite John Phillip Sousa tune while sipping some pink lemonade and wooing their best girl? Yowza.
Of course. Then no one could have complained. And mom would have taught them a positive lesson about the responsibilities of running a business. Assuming that was her intent. "They still would have cleaned up at $4 glass." There you go! The importance of market research and competitive analysis. Mom really dropped the ball here.
Also, not to be a gang of wee scofflaws.
These kids caused a legit lemonade seller to lose almost $3,000. That's petty BS? He's probably got kids to feed. What about him and his family?
Not only that but the arts venue may have had a contractual profitsharing agreement with the authorized beverage seller and been entitled to a share of his profits. They may have been using beverage profits to subsidize their show and advertising and to try to monetize the looky-loos who were just going to stroll through but not buy anything. So it probably wasn't just the authorized beverage vendor who had an incentive to rat them out to the citrus police.
Does that goal include the $2800 worth of business they stole from the legitimate lemonade vendor? Are they going to make him whole? Or don't you care about him and his family?
A small, local Arts Festival -- $2800 is a lot of money. What's worse, the kids were not fined for violating the city ordinance and were allowed to keep the $200. Well, children … what lessons have we learned today?
Violating the laws can be profitable despite those stinky cops trying to ruin it all and making us cry so our mama can whine about it on CreepBook and make a legit licensed arts festival look like a bunch of thugs?
Yes! Hell yes! What does David Hogg have to say?
Camera Hogg does make himself an easy target with his dramatic gestures and facial contortions. He really could be posing for photos as a Hitler Youth leader. He's perfect for the part.
I agree. A good, little Nazi.
Camera Hogg does look a bit like Goebbels.
With a dash of Eichmann thrown in.
He's no Reinhard Heydrich though.
"Knowles says they raked in about $200 for charity before police shut them down". Meaning they sold 400 glasses of lemonade. Meaning the licensed vendor lost $2,800. No wonder he was pissed. Thanks mom. A real "business" lesson. Ok, so this story does happen to touch on several facets of sub-stories, doesn't it? I'm going to concede a point to you here -- thanks for revealing this pertinent un-reported, un-disclosed detail. Fair enough. But for further fairness sake, exactly just how close was "next to the Denver Arts Festival"? Some of these fairs are YUGE. The greed may cut BOTH WAYS. And the LE may still be over-officiously petty. I also found the Mommy's claim about giving the proceeds to the Indonesian kid to be contrived BS. Moreover, Mommy then starts a Go Fund Me page?? ALL THAT SAID, there's GOT to be a better way to handle shutting down a kids' lemonade stand. In this case there is circumstantial evidence that Mommy is a slick one who knowingly exploited a situation. The kids don't know better and still shouldn't be subject to anything less than treating *them* with kid-gloves. (Speaking of that, do we know *what* the LEO demeanor was toward them?)
As to pose, I think the Goebbels' pose = Hogg wins. For demeanor, Heydrich. Or THIS man:
Posters will click on this thread and wonder if they accidentally typed in stormfront.org.
I did wonder that myself. Maybe their house was just on a nearby street. It almost does look like they set up shop in a park or something which would make it worse than if they tried it on private property. Exactly. This was mama's idea and plan, from beginning to end. Kids who are 4, 5, and 6 don't really plot to have a lemonade stand if an adult doesn't put them up to it and help them do it. Are we to believe the tykes made those signs for the beverage list, provided the big glass lemonade dispensers, got the sodas and the bottles of water and the cups for the lemonade and all the ice needed? No way, they did not. That was all mama's doing. I think mama used these kids as a shield for knowingly breaking the law. And it mostly worked. And she still monetized by begging on the internet. And we'll never know if there even was a child in Indonesia or if they got any money from this.
These are all MSM/DNC-type of people. The irony is that most Dems channel their inner-Stormtrooper. Maybe posters will think they've have stumbled into the DU or ANTIFA hive site.
Close enough for the legitimate lemonade vendor to feel the pinch and call the cops. He didn't do it to be mean -- he's trying to make a living.
Major Hochstetter from Hogan's Heroes? Damn, like we didn't look like a bunch of old geezes already.
From the article: "... so why not have a lemonade stand across the street in the park,” Knowles said." "And we'll never know if there even was a child in Indonesia or if they got any money from this."
Yup. It's another missing detail. The media has been so fake and ideological, no story can be taken at face value anymore. IF the kids are in the park, that does change the equation; A lemonade stand set up on a neighborhood corner or in front of a kids' house is a whole different animal, isn't it? This was mama's idea and plan, from beginning to end. Kids who are 4, 5, and 6 don't really plot to have a lemonade stand if an adult doesn't put them up to it and help them do it. Are we to believe the tykes made those signs for the beverage list, provided the big glass lemonade dispensers, got the sodas and the bottles of water and the cups for the lemonade and all the ice needed? No way, they did not. That was all mama's doing. Yup. It was shameful to use her little kids like this. The deeper one digs into this story, the more Mama looks like...a Lemonade Pimp. I think mama used these kids as a shield for knowingly breaking the law. And it mostly worked. And she still monetized by begging on the internet. Sure appears that way. And tapping Go Fund Me for charity further indicts her. This fictional Indonesia kid ain't receiving a red cent. Mommy seems like a typical Dem-Socialist conveniently worked her inner-Capitalist.
I've seen that Jeselnik bit before, the whole comedy show. Pretty good stuff.
Seems that way. Those kids look pretty average for 4-6yo, not a little gang of lemonade-huffing Einsteins, determined to become entrepreneurs.
He's very good. Reminds me of Steven Wright.
What's with that? Here she is taking credit for helping some kid in Indonesia … … with other people's money? "Oooh, look what I did. With your money. Aren't I a good person?" Gotta be a Democrat.
There was an admission that Mommy helped set the lemonade stand up IN the park. She *could* have merely set up the stand just outside the park but didn't. We still don't know just how "close" to the action it was, or whether patrons could clearly see the kids' stand. IF they could, then I empathize with the vendor, who as you remind us, is only trying to make a living. (Even IF he is ripping people off by charging $7.00 a pop for lemonade.) Here's the local Denver Tee-Bee station reporting on the incident. They obviously took the side of Mommy, who is interviewed. Her account seems too slick, scripted and idealistic to be believed. Your impressions? She claimed to be "teaching" her tots lessons. But exactly which ones?? Her "business model" seems to be modeled on the ChiCom slave-labor that undercut American business (see? we can ALL spin this the way we want.) I'd love to know whether or not Mommy is a teacher. Or her political affiliation.
Of course! Damn, like we didn't look like a bunch of old geezes already. Time is cruel, ain't it?
Gotta be a Democrat. HA!! What you said. As I also suggested -- Mom has GOT to be a Dem, totally blind to the irony of her Marxist principle of taking OTHER peoples' money to redistribute. Then congratulating herself.
Same. She's being cagey IMO. Definitely auditioning for her 15 minutes of fame. IOW, I'm ready for my close-up, Mr. De Mille.
Nice job of derailing the topic of thread, questioning and criticizing the family's motives instead of discussing the obvious heavy-handedness of the local gendarme and the loss of individual freedoms in this once great country. The stand was set up NEAR the art fair, not AT it. More details here: Person calls police on Denver boys' Memorial Day lemonade stand “We have never had a lemonade stand and the boys thought Memorial Day weekend is going to be great weather, so why not have a lemonade stand across the street in the park,” Knowles said. Like many, Knowles made and sold lemonade during her summers as a kid. She appreciates all of the life lessons that come along with the idea. “I want to teach my kids about being an entrepreneur and having your own business. My 6-year-old got his little toy cash register out that he got when he was about two or three and he was learning how to interact with customers and about customer service,” Knowles said. He was also learning about the value of money and practicing his addition and subtraction skills. “We here are very fortunate and we forget that many kids in the world are not as fortunate as we are in Colorado or in the country, and so I wanted to teach them how to donate money to a charity,” Knowles said. Together, her sons picked a child in Indonesia to help provide basic necessities for, including clean water. “They picked a little 5-year-old boy from Indonesia with siblings, two siblings, kind of like them,” she said. **** Denver7 reached out to the permitting department. A spokesperson said there are no rules explicitly prohibiting a lemonade stand, but there are also no rules protecting it. Communications Program Manager Alexandra Foster said her department does not typically go out to enforce its permitting rules against children. However, if a call is made to police about a certain lemonade stand blocking traffic for instance, the family could be asked to shut the lemonade stand down. She added that temporary stands typically don’t need a permit, but if a stand was set up on a regular basis that it might.
Allowing her kids to earn money by selling lemonade to willing customers on a hot day is a Marxist ideal? Back when this was a free country, that used to be called "Capitalism" WTF is wrong with you people? Unbelievable!
I'm guessing it was placed to take advantage of the Art Festival foot traffic. Otherwise she would have just set it up in her front yard.
It was close enough to take business away from it. And, coincidentally, she set up her lemonade stand on the same day of the fair.
That's my thought as well - as you can see, those comments are coming from the usual suspects. My guess is that those here who cheer this police state absurdity are too young to remember when kids were encouraged to earn money by doing things like having lemonade stands, mowing lawns and shoveling snow. These same posters would rat out their own neighbors for having a yard sale or bake sale. Kids used to be allowed to be independent - not so much anymore. If there was a problem with the kids,, why not go over and discuss it in person with them. Instead, people have been conditioned to call the cops for any perceived offense, even for one as trivial as this.
So effing what? If the art fair vendors had a problem with the kids' "outlaw" lemonade stand operating too close to their turf, why not confront them directly, you know - instead of calling the cops?
So what? The lemonade stand wasn't AT the fair.
misterwhite and I have made a real success of this thread, ably assisted by Liberator. Were it not for our diligence, your puny thread would have died out after 2-3 comments. And we've actually talked about lemonade stands steadily, not wandered off into endless gossip and off-topic posts. You're welcome.
Yeah sure you have. Here's what I've learned from your posts - Lemonade stands run by kids in a public park need to be shut down by the State. Instead of solving a problem by talking to the parties you have the problem with and working out an amicable solution (like having the kids move to another location) - call the cops and let them handle it. Kids are not astute enough to understand that there are others in the world who are less fortunate than them. Any mother who helps her kids set up and operate a lemonade stand and use the proceeds to help others is a leftist commie who worships Gaia and doesn't shave her legs or armpits and is brainwashing her kids. Yah - your obscene viewpoints are duly noted.
Well, you have been paying attention so we haven't entirely wasted our time trying to help you. And we steadily approach comment #100, a strong thread for LF.
Think! Use your brain. A kid sets up a lemonade stand in his front yard and sells what, 10-20 glasses of lemonade in an entire afternoon? Maybe. These kids sold 400 glasses of lemonade in 90 minutes. AT the fair is irrelevant. They stole revenue from legitimate vendors.
Here's what you should have learned - Lemonade stands run by kids in a public park need Let the authorities explain why the lemonade stand needs to be shut down, rather than taking time away from your sales to go over and explain the law to these idiots who a) won't believe you and b) will tell you it's a free country and to go fuck yourself. These kids and their parents were not astute enough to understand that there are others in the world who are trying to make a living legitimately, and their actions are affecting them. "Any mother who helps her kids set up and operate a lemonade stand and use the proceeds to help others is a leftist commie who worships Gaia and doesn't shave her legs or armpits and is brainwashing her kids." That one you got right.
Let's face it: this was her lemonade stand. Those kids were just a front. They were barely able to pour a glass of lemonade by themselves. It was all her.
Oh sure. Blame the KlingoLutherans. Again. You do understand that was SATIRICAL PARODY, don't you - Along the same lines of the Screwtape letters?
I guess I don't have room to talk, having posted pics of Heydrich and Goebbels just yesterday. IOW, I'm trying to figure out how to get back on my high horse but I'm having trouble... It's so hard to keep things classy.
I am feeling better now. Since posting those Nazi pics yesterday, I was trying to recall the name of Hitler's personal photographer who took so many of these photos of the Nazi leadership. I'd almost have it and then it would slip away, like a sneeze that didn't quite happen. Everyone recalls Hitler's dog was Blondie but who recalls a photo bug? Anyway, a moment ago I recalled his name was Heinrich Hoffmann. It's been about 45 years since I read about Hoffmann's career in various history books about Hitler and the war. I used to read all of them, knew my history of the European theater pretty well, all the major and minor government officials, the diplomats, etc. So I'm not senile just yet. Either that or I'm having a rare but fleeting moment of lucidity, one or the other.
Because today’s DYSFUNCTIONAL populace aren’t able to “solve” anything between themselves without calling the “cops”, you stupid fuck. Lawsuits... dumb shit. They call the “cops” so they get sued... when they: Remove idiots from planes Retarded kids from school Drunk husbands from the house Neighbor disputes... and so on.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
the police and the neighbor who would call the cops to shut down a charitable lemonade stand.
#2. To: Deckard (#0)
As TFTP reported last year, a five-year-old girl was issued a citation after she set up a lemonade stand without first obtaining a permit. In 2015, comedian Jerry Seinfeld’s son, Julian, and two friends set up a lemonade stand to raise money for a charity. However, thanks to a see something say something neighbor, police were notified of the illegal lemonade venture. Hero officers then swooped in to shut down the stand, citing local village law violations.
#3. To: Tooconservative (#2)
#4. To: GrandIsland (#3)
(Edited)
The problem is with the idiot elected officials that craft such laws without writing in exemptions for those under 16 years of age, operating on private residential property.
#5. To: Tooconservative (#4)
So: piffle. You're wrong. And you should admit it. You'd feel better.
#6. To: GrandIsland (#5)
Maybe they just like to spread cop hatred.
#7. To: Tooconservative (#6)
#8. To: Deckard (#0)
#9. To: GrandIsland (#1)
The cops were simply enforcing the law after a tax paying citizen complained and demanded her local police SERVE THEM.
#10. To: Pinguinite (#8)
I guess the moral of the story for the kids is that when they grow up, they can be cops instead of productive business people.
#11. To: Tooconservative, GrandIsland, (#6)
Maybe they just like to spread cop hatred.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#12. To: buckeroo (#7)
I hate to step on your toes, but your continual "turn-off" posts are proof you don't know diddly-squat: Unfortunately, you are technically incapable or incapacitated by current events much less acting as an ass in publick.
#13. To: Deckard (#11)
Stories like this one display just how far this nation has gone down the tubes when it comes to freedom. Nobody would have called the cops on kids selling lemonade in the past or if they did, these Gladys Kravitzes would have been roundly mocked and shunned by their neighbors or the cops would have ignored their complaints.
We have become A Nation of Narcs
#14. To: buckeroo (#10)
We nesd a sense of ethics and morals beyond production capacity & capability. despite all the directives ny top management/
#15. To: Tooconservative (#14)
#16. To: Tooconservative (#14)
#17. To: A K A Stone (#15)
I think it is ridiculous that your nanny state isn't in every mother's kitchen. There have been no inspections of kitchens in people's homes. I'm outtraged what if some mother serves her kids some bad food with germs on it. In this day and age there is no excuse to cook at home in an unregulated kitchen. You could hurt your very own children.
#18. To: A K A Stone (#16)
Oh and don't get me started if you want to cook for guests. You don't even have liability insurance should they get sick in your filthy uninspected kitchen.
#19. To: Tooconservative (#18)
#20. To: Tooconservative (#17)
#21. To: Tooconservative (#18)
You aren't selling to a guest.
#22. To: Pinguinite (#9)
Should that be done for every last law, ordinance & regulation on every local, state and federal book?
#23. To: A K A Stone (#15)
(Edited)
I'm outtraged what if some mother serves her kids some bad food with germs on it. In this day and age there is no excuse to cook at home in an unregulated kitchen. You could hurt your very own children.
#24. To: GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#23)
Personally for me, if there wasn’t a complaint and I saw the lemonade stand on patrol... I’d stop and buy a drink. If the neighbor complained 30 minutes later and I was dispatched to the call... I’d arrive and shut it down. Drive away muttering how much a douchebag the neighbor is... and then realize the lemonade family might be bigger douchebags to live next to and that might be why the complaint was lodged.
#25. To: A K A Stone (#21)
I buy lemonade from every kids lemonade stand. Even if I'm not thirsty.
#26. To: GrandIsland (#23)
This is no different than a mom allowing her two 14 year olds to run a black jack table on the corner... 5 dollar minimum bets. Same thing, the kids are violating a constitutionally tester law or ordinance.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#27. To: GrandIsland (#23)
Drive away muttering how much a douchebag the neighbor is... and then realize the lemonade family might be bigger douchebags to live next to and that might be why the complaint was lodged.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#28. To: Deckard (#0)
“I want to teach my kids about being an entrepreneur and having your own business."
#29. To: A K A Stone (#15)
I think it is ridiculous that your nanny state isn't in every mother's kitchen. There have been no inspections of kitchens in people's homes
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#30. To: misterwhite (#28)
(Edited)
Oops. Forgot all about the paperwork part.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#31. To: GrandIsland (#3)
Where was the concern when the law was crafted and put on the books?
#32. To: GrandIsland (#3)
Where was the concern, when the law was crafted and put on the books?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#33. To: Tooconservative (#2)
Let them get away with selling lemonade illegally and next thing you know they are narcotics traffickers.
#34. To: Deckard (#30)
Oh, so I guess I needed to file paperwork on all the money I earned mowing grass in the neighborhood as a teen?
#35. To: misterwhite (#34)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#36. To: Deckard (#35)
I'm old enough to remember when this was still a free country and kids weren't busted for selling lemonade to make a few bucks..
#37. To: misterwhite (#36)
(Edited)
The kids were asked to stop because of a neighbor's complaint.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#38. To: Deckard (#37)
THAT'S how neighbors are supposed to act, not call the cops as you are so want to do when you see someone engaging in an activity which you disapprove.
#39. To: Deckard (#0)
When her children saw the police coming toward them, they naturally got scared.
#40. To: Deckard, GrandIsland, Tooconservative (#0)
After being shut down for selling lemonade without a license, Knowles did some digging and found out that there is actually no law explicitly prohibiting lemonade stands.
#41. To: misterwhite (#40)
"Knowles says they raked in about $200 for charity before police shut them down". Meaning they sold 400 glasses of lemonade. Meaning the licensed vendor lost $2,800. No wonder he was pissed.
#42. To: Deckard (#37)
Knowles set up a GoFundMe page for her boys to raise the money instead. As of Wednesday afternoon, they were already about halfway to their goal.
#43. To: misterwhite (#40)
#44. To: Tooconservative (#41)
The guy ripping people off for $7 lemonade had a lot higher costs. He probably had to pay the venue to have a stand. He had to have all the usual beverage/food safety items. Bathrooms and washing for employees, etc. And pay a minimum wage or more. And carry insurance. Et cetera, et cetera.
#45. To: VxH, A K A Stone (#44)
--Protocol No. 10
#46. To: Deckard (#0)
(Edited)
" Cops Raid Little Boys’ Lemonade Stand, Shut it Down for Not Having a Permit "
#47. To: Stoner (#46)
#48. To: Deckard, Stoner, Tooconservative (#0)
However, thanks to a see something say something neighbor, police were notified of the illegal lemonade venture.
#49. To: GrandIsland (#3)
The problem is with the idiot elected officials that craft such laws without writing in exemptions for those under 16 years of age, operating on private residential property.
#50. To: Pinguinite, GrandIsland, TooConservative, misterwhite (#9)
Should that [strict LE) be done for every last law, ordinance & regulation on every local, state and federal book?
#51. To: Liberator (#47)
#52. To: Stoner (#51)
Surprised some of the posters did not demand summary execution on the spot !!
#53. To: Tooconservative, Olive Garden Fans (#42)
See? Much easier to teach them to beg than to work for it.
#54. To: Liberator (#48)
" Hero officers then swooped in to shut down the stand, citing local village law violations.
#55. To: Stoner, Liberator (#51)
(Edited)
Surprised some of the posters did not demand summary execution on the spot !!
#56. To: Tooconservative (#41)
They should have gone for the license.
#57. To: misterwhite (#56)
And mom would have taught them a positive lesson about the responsibilities of running a business.
#58. To: Liberator (#50)
NOT for weaponizing LE for petty BS.
#59. To: misterwhite (#58)
These kids caused a legit lemonade seller to lose almost $3,000. That's petty BS?
#60. To: Deckard (#37)
Knowles set up a GoFundMe page for her boys to raise the money instead. As of Wednesday afternoon, they were already about halfway to their goal.
#61. To: Tooconservative (#59)
So it probably wasn't just the authorized beverage vendor who had an incentive to rat them out to the citrus police.
#62. To: misterwhite (#61)
Well, children … what lessons have we learned today?
#63. To: Tooconservative (#59)
So it probably wasn't just the authorized beverage vendor who had an incentive to rat them out to the citrus police.
#64. To: misterwhite (#63)
#65. To: Tooconservative (#64)
He really could be posing for photos as a Hitler Youth leader. He's perfect for the part.
#66. To: misterwhite (#65)
#67. To: Tooconservative (#66)
#68. To: misterwhite (#67)
#69. To: misterwhite, Deckard, GrandIsland, Tooconservative, Stoner (#40)
(Edited)
Now here's the kicker the story didn't disclose. The kids set up their lemonade stand right next to the Denver Arts Festival, where there was a lemonade vendor. The kids sold lemonade 2/ $1 while the licensed vendor sold it for $7 a glass.
#70. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite (#66)
(Edited)
#71. To: Tooconservative (#68)
#72. To: Liberator (#69)
But for further fairness sake, exactly just how close was "next to the Denver Arts Festival"? Some of these fairs are YUGE.
In this case there is circumstantial evidence that Mommy is a slick one who knowingly exploited a situation. The kids don't know better and still shouldn't be subject to anything less than treating *them* with kid-gloves.
#73. To: misterwhite, Tooconservative (#71)
#74. To: Liberator (#69)
exactly just how close was "next to the Denver Arts Festival"?
#75. To: Liberator (#70)
#76. To: Tooconservative (#72)
"It almost does look like they set up shop in a park"
#77. To: Tooconservative (#72)
I did wonder that myself. Maybe their house was just on a nearby street. It almost does look like they set up shop in a park or something which would make it worse than if they tried it on private property.
#78. To: misterwhite (#76)
#79. To: Liberator (#77)
The deeper one digs into this story, the more Mama looks like...a Lemonade Pimp.
#80. To: Tooconservative (#78)
I've seen that Jeselnik bit before, the whole comedy show. Pretty good stuff.
#81. To: Tooconservative (#72)
And she still monetized by begging on the internet.
#82. To: misterwhite, TooConservative, Stoner (#74)
Close enough for the legitimate lemonade vendor to feel the pinch and call the cops. He didn't do it to be mean -- he's trying to make a living.
#83. To: Tooconservative (#75)
Major Hochstetter from Hogan's Heroes?
#84. To: misterwhite (#81)
What's with that? Here she is taking credit for helping some kid in Indonesia … … with other people's money? "Oooh, look what I did. With your money. Aren't I a good person?"
#85. To: Liberator (#82)
Here's the local Denver Tee-Bee station reporting on the incident. They obviously took the side of Mommy, who is interviewed. Her account seems too slick, scripted and idealistic to be believed. Your impressions?
#86. To: misterwhite, Tooconservative (#82)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#87. To: Liberator (#84)
Mom has GOT to be a Dem, totally blind to the irony of her Marxist principle of taking OTHER peoples' money to redistribute.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#88. To: Liberator (#82)
or whether patrons could clearly see the kids' stand.
#89. To: Deckard (#86)
The stand was set up NEAR the art fair, not AT it.
#90. To: Stoner (#46)
Many of the posters should be ashamed of their statements displaying their low IQ's and lack of common sense !! I am rather surprised at the comments of some of the posters ! I had previously thought better of them !!
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#91. To: misterwhite (#88)
I'm guessing it was placed to take advantage of the Art Festival foot traffic.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#92. To: misterwhite (#89)
And, coincidentally, she set up her lemonade stand on the same day of the fair.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#93. To: Deckard, misterwhite, Liberator (#86)
Nice job of derailing the topic of thread, questioning and criticizing the family's motives instead of discussing the obvious heavy-handedness of the local gendarme and the loss of individual freedoms in this once great country.
#94. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite, Liberator (#93)
And we've actually talked about lemonade stands steadily
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#95. To: Deckard, misterwhite, Liberator (#94)
Any mother who helps her kids set up and operate a lemonade stand and use the proceeds to help others is a leftist commie who worships Gaia and doesn't shave her legs or armpits and is brainwashing her kids.
#96. To: Deckard (#92)
So what? The lemonade stand wasn't AT the fair.
#97. To: Deckard (#94)
Here's what I've learned from your posts -
to be shut down by the State a permit just like everyone else.
#98. To: misterwhite, Deckard (#97)
#99. To: Tooconservative (#45)
Ahem...
#100. To: VxH (#99)
Oh sure. Blame the KlingoLutherans. Again.
#101. To: VxH, misterwhite (#99)
#102. To: Deckard (#91)
why not confront them directly, you know - instead of calling the cops?
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