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Title: Cops Raid Little Boys’ Lemonade Stand, Shut it Down for Not Having a Permi
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Free Thought Project
URL Source: https://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-denver-lemonade-stand-permit/
Published: May 30, 2018
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2018-05-30 21:17:33 by Deckard
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Views: 16548
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Common sense, among those who work inside the state, is a rare commodity. Agents of the state, like those who work in law enforcement, often become so blinded to reality by ‘just doing my job’ they throw logic and reason to the wayside, choosing authority and force instead. Nothing highlights this blind order following quite like police tormenting a two young boys for the crime of selling lemonade without a permit. Jennifer Knowles, mother of three boys, wanted to instill a bit of entrepreneurial spirit in her sons over the Memorial Day weekend. So, Knowles and her husband decided they would have her four and six-year-old sons run a lemonade stand. “We have never had a lemonade stand and the boys thought Memorial Day weekend is going to be great weather, so why not have a lemonade stand across the street in the park,” Knowles said. Knowles told Denver 7 that she remembered having lemonade stands when she was a kid and she wanted her kids to do the same. “I want to teach my kids about being an entrepreneur and having your own business. My 6-year-old got his little toy cash register out that he got when he was about two or three and he was learning how to interact with customers and about customer service,” Knowles said. On top of teaching her children how to be entrepreneurs, Knowles said she wanted to teach them about giving to those less fortunate as well. “We here are very fortunate and we forget that many kids in the world are not as fortunate as we are in Colorado or in the country, and so I wanted to teach them how to donate money to a charity,” Knowles said. Knowles explained that her two sons picked a child in Indonesia to whom the proceeds from the lemonade stand would provide food and fresh water. “They picked a little 5-year-old boy from Indonesia with siblings, two siblings, kind of like them,” she said. The plan was set. The boys then set up their lemonade stand in the park across the street from their home and went to selling. “They got a lot of people coming and praising the boys and telling them that they were doing a great job,” Knowles said. “That was so good for my boys to hear and for them to interact with people they’ve never met before in a business way.” However, their good deed and entrepreneurial spirit would soon be squashed as police showed up just an hour and a half into their venture. “The police officers came over and they said that because my boys and I did not have permits for a lemonade stand they shut us down and we had to stop immediately,” she said. “My boys were crushed. They were devastated. And I can’t believe that happened. I remember as a child I always had lemonade stands and never had to worry about being shut down by the police officers. I mean that’s unheard of.” When her children saw the police coming toward them, they naturally got scared. “My 6-year-old he saw the police officers coming over and he ran and he hid,” she said. “My 4-year-old came over and was looking at the police officer and heard what he was saying. He started to frown and then he started to cry. And it made me want to cry because they were so upset.” Knowles explained that the police were nice but they were still shutting them down because someone had reported the children for selling unlicensed lemonade. In other words, they were just doing their jobs. After being shut down for selling lemonade without a license, Knowles did some digging and found out that there is actually no law explicitly prohibiting lemonade stands. However, there were no laws explicitly permitting them either—meaning that these officers could’ve used their discretion and allowed the kids to continue selling, but they did not. City officials, however, did say that they will shut down lemonade stands if they get a complaint. “If our inspectors go to a lemonade stand, it means we’ve received a complaint, and generally complaints stem from high levels of activity or noise that disrupt neighbors,” Communications Program Manager Alexandra Foster told Denver7. Sadly, Knowles has now felt the wrath of government regulation and issued a warning to other parents. “I want parents know that they need to be aware that if their kids want to have a lemonade stand there could be repercussions like there with my kids,” Knowles said. While Knowles’ children escaped without a fine, other children who’ve dared to sell the cool lemony goodness without a permit haven’t been so lucky. As TFTP reported last year, a five-year-old girl was issued a citation after she set up a lemonade stand without first obtaining a permit. In 2015, comedian Jerry Seinfeld’s son, Julian, and two friends set up a lemonade stand to raise money for a charity. However, thanks to a see something say something neighbor, police were notified of the illegal lemonade venture. Hero officers then swooped in to shut down the stand, citing local village law violations. After being shut down, Jerry and family posed for an epic pic, trolling both the police and the neighbor who would call the cops to shut down a charitable lemonade stand. In Portland, Ore. an 11-year-old girl wanted to sell mistletoe from their farm at a holiday market to help her dad pay for her braces, which cost $5,000. But the Parks Bureau refused to let her set up without a permit, lease or concession agreement. She was told she could beg instead.
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#58. To: Liberator (#50)
These kids caused a legit lemonade seller to lose almost $3,000. That's petty BS? He's probably got kids to feed. What about him and his family?
Not only that but the arts venue may have had a contractual profitsharing agreement with the authorized beverage seller and been entitled to a share of his profits. They may have been using beverage profits to subsidize their show and advertising and to try to monetize the looky-loos who were just going to stroll through but not buy anything. So it probably wasn't just the authorized beverage vendor who had an incentive to rat them out to the citrus police.
Does that goal include the $2800 worth of business they stole from the legitimate lemonade vendor? Are they going to make him whole? Or don't you care about him and his family?
A small, local Arts Festival -- $2800 is a lot of money. What's worse, the kids were not fined for violating the city ordinance and were allowed to keep the $200. Well, children … what lessons have we learned today?
Violating the laws can be profitable despite those stinky cops trying to ruin it all and making us cry so our mama can whine about it on CreepBook and make a legit licensed arts festival look like a bunch of thugs?
Yes! Hell yes! What does David Hogg have to say?
Camera Hogg does make himself an easy target with his dramatic gestures and facial contortions. He really could be posing for photos as a Hitler Youth leader. He's perfect for the part.
I agree. A good, little Nazi.
Camera Hogg does look a bit like Goebbels.
With a dash of Eichmann thrown in.
He's no Reinhard Heydrich though.
"Knowles says they raked in about $200 for charity before police shut them down". Meaning they sold 400 glasses of lemonade. Meaning the licensed vendor lost $2,800. No wonder he was pissed. Thanks mom. A real "business" lesson. Ok, so this story does happen to touch on several facets of sub-stories, doesn't it? I'm going to concede a point to you here -- thanks for revealing this pertinent un-reported, un-disclosed detail. Fair enough. But for further fairness sake, exactly just how close was "next to the Denver Arts Festival"? Some of these fairs are YUGE. The greed may cut BOTH WAYS. And the LE may still be over-officiously petty. I also found the Mommy's claim about giving the proceeds to the Indonesian kid to be contrived BS. Moreover, Mommy then starts a Go Fund Me page?? ALL THAT SAID, there's GOT to be a better way to handle shutting down a kids' lemonade stand. In this case there is circumstantial evidence that Mommy is a slick one who knowingly exploited a situation. The kids don't know better and still shouldn't be subject to anything less than treating *them* with kid-gloves. (Speaking of that, do we know *what* the LEO demeanor was toward them?)
As to pose, I think the Goebbels' pose = Hogg wins. For demeanor, Heydrich. Or THIS man:
Posters will click on this thread and wonder if they accidentally typed in stormfront.org.
I did wonder that myself. Maybe their house was just on a nearby street. It almost does look like they set up shop in a park or something which would make it worse than if they tried it on private property. Exactly. This was mama's idea and plan, from beginning to end. Kids who are 4, 5, and 6 don't really plot to have a lemonade stand if an adult doesn't put them up to it and help them do it. Are we to believe the tykes made those signs for the beverage list, provided the big glass lemonade dispensers, got the sodas and the bottles of water and the cups for the lemonade and all the ice needed? No way, they did not. That was all mama's doing. I think mama used these kids as a shield for knowingly breaking the law. And it mostly worked. And she still monetized by begging on the internet. And we'll never know if there even was a child in Indonesia or if they got any money from this.
These are all MSM/DNC-type of people. The irony is that most Dems channel their inner-Stormtrooper. Maybe posters will think they've have stumbled into the DU or ANTIFA hive site.
Close enough for the legitimate lemonade vendor to feel the pinch and call the cops. He didn't do it to be mean -- he's trying to make a living.
Major Hochstetter from Hogan's Heroes? Damn, like we didn't look like a bunch of old geezes already.
From the article: "... so why not have a lemonade stand across the street in the park,” Knowles said." "And we'll never know if there even was a child in Indonesia or if they got any money from this."
Yup. It's another missing detail. The media has been so fake and ideological, no story can be taken at face value anymore. IF the kids are in the park, that does change the equation; A lemonade stand set up on a neighborhood corner or in front of a kids' house is a whole different animal, isn't it? This was mama's idea and plan, from beginning to end. Kids who are 4, 5, and 6 don't really plot to have a lemonade stand if an adult doesn't put them up to it and help them do it. Are we to believe the tykes made those signs for the beverage list, provided the big glass lemonade dispensers, got the sodas and the bottles of water and the cups for the lemonade and all the ice needed? No way, they did not. That was all mama's doing. Yup. It was shameful to use her little kids like this. The deeper one digs into this story, the more Mama looks like...a Lemonade Pimp. I think mama used these kids as a shield for knowingly breaking the law. And it mostly worked. And she still monetized by begging on the internet. Sure appears that way. And tapping Go Fund Me for charity further indicts her. This fictional Indonesia kid ain't receiving a red cent. Mommy seems like a typical Dem-Socialist conveniently worked her inner-Capitalist.
I've seen that Jeselnik bit before, the whole comedy show. Pretty good stuff.
Seems that way. Those kids look pretty average for 4-6yo, not a little gang of lemonade-huffing Einsteins, determined to become entrepreneurs.
He's very good. Reminds me of Steven Wright.
What's with that? Here she is taking credit for helping some kid in Indonesia … … with other people's money? "Oooh, look what I did. With your money. Aren't I a good person?" Gotta be a Democrat.
There was an admission that Mommy helped set the lemonade stand up IN the park. She *could* have merely set up the stand just outside the park but didn't. We still don't know just how "close" to the action it was, or whether patrons could clearly see the kids' stand. IF they could, then I empathize with the vendor, who as you remind us, is only trying to make a living. (Even IF he is ripping people off by charging $7.00 a pop for lemonade.) Here's the local Denver Tee-Bee station reporting on the incident. They obviously took the side of Mommy, who is interviewed. Her account seems too slick, scripted and idealistic to be believed. Your impressions? She claimed to be "teaching" her tots lessons. But exactly which ones?? Her "business model" seems to be modeled on the ChiCom slave-labor that undercut American business (see? we can ALL spin this the way we want.) I'd love to know whether or not Mommy is a teacher. Or her political affiliation.
Of course! Damn, like we didn't look like a bunch of old geezes already. Time is cruel, ain't it?
Gotta be a Democrat. HA!! What you said. As I also suggested -- Mom has GOT to be a Dem, totally blind to the irony of her Marxist principle of taking OTHER peoples' money to redistribute. Then congratulating herself.
Same. She's being cagey IMO. Definitely auditioning for her 15 minutes of fame. IOW, I'm ready for my close-up, Mr. De Mille.
Nice job of derailing the topic of thread, questioning and criticizing the family's motives instead of discussing the obvious heavy-handedness of the local gendarme and the loss of individual freedoms in this once great country. The stand was set up NEAR the art fair, not AT it. More details here: Person calls police on Denver boys' Memorial Day lemonade stand “We have never had a lemonade stand and the boys thought Memorial Day weekend is going to be great weather, so why not have a lemonade stand across the street in the park,” Knowles said. Like many, Knowles made and sold lemonade during her summers as a kid. She appreciates all of the life lessons that come along with the idea. “I want to teach my kids about being an entrepreneur and having your own business. My 6-year-old got his little toy cash register out that he got when he was about two or three and he was learning how to interact with customers and about customer service,” Knowles said. He was also learning about the value of money and practicing his addition and subtraction skills. “We here are very fortunate and we forget that many kids in the world are not as fortunate as we are in Colorado or in the country, and so I wanted to teach them how to donate money to a charity,” Knowles said. Together, her sons picked a child in Indonesia to help provide basic necessities for, including clean water. “They picked a little 5-year-old boy from Indonesia with siblings, two siblings, kind of like them,” she said. **** Denver7 reached out to the permitting department. A spokesperson said there are no rules explicitly prohibiting a lemonade stand, but there are also no rules protecting it. Communications Program Manager Alexandra Foster said her department does not typically go out to enforce its permitting rules against children. However, if a call is made to police about a certain lemonade stand blocking traffic for instance, the family could be asked to shut the lemonade stand down. She added that temporary stands typically don’t need a permit, but if a stand was set up on a regular basis that it might.
Allowing her kids to earn money by selling lemonade to willing customers on a hot day is a Marxist ideal? Back when this was a free country, that used to be called "Capitalism" WTF is wrong with you people? Unbelievable!
I'm guessing it was placed to take advantage of the Art Festival foot traffic. Otherwise she would have just set it up in her front yard.
It was close enough to take business away from it. And, coincidentally, she set up her lemonade stand on the same day of the fair.
That's my thought as well - as you can see, those comments are coming from the usual suspects. My guess is that those here who cheer this police state absurdity are too young to remember when kids were encouraged to earn money by doing things like having lemonade stands, mowing lawns and shoveling snow. These same posters would rat out their own neighbors for having a yard sale or bake sale. Kids used to be allowed to be independent - not so much anymore. If there was a problem with the kids,, why not go over and discuss it in person with them. Instead, people have been conditioned to call the cops for any perceived offense, even for one as trivial as this.
So effing what? If the art fair vendors had a problem with the kids' "outlaw" lemonade stand operating too close to their turf, why not confront them directly, you know - instead of calling the cops?
So what? The lemonade stand wasn't AT the fair.
misterwhite and I have made a real success of this thread, ably assisted by Liberator. Were it not for our diligence, your puny thread would have died out after 2-3 comments. And we've actually talked about lemonade stands steadily, not wandered off into endless gossip and off-topic posts. You're welcome.
Yeah sure you have. Here's what I've learned from your posts - Lemonade stands run by kids in a public park need to be shut down by the State. Instead of solving a problem by talking to the parties you have the problem with and working out an amicable solution (like having the kids move to another location) - call the cops and let them handle it. Kids are not astute enough to understand that there are others in the world who are less fortunate than them. Any mother who helps her kids set up and operate a lemonade stand and use the proceeds to help others is a leftist commie who worships Gaia and doesn't shave her legs or armpits and is brainwashing her kids. Yah - your obscene viewpoints are duly noted.
Well, you have been paying attention so we haven't entirely wasted our time trying to help you. And we steadily approach comment #100, a strong thread for LF.
Think! Use your brain. A kid sets up a lemonade stand in his front yard and sells what, 10-20 glasses of lemonade in an entire afternoon? Maybe. These kids sold 400 glasses of lemonade in 90 minutes. AT the fair is irrelevant. They stole revenue from legitimate vendors.
Here's what you should have learned - Lemonade stands run by kids in a public park need Let the authorities explain why the lemonade stand needs to be shut down, rather than taking time away from your sales to go over and explain the law to these idiots who a) won't believe you and b) will tell you it's a free country and to go fuck yourself. These kids and their parents were not astute enough to understand that there are others in the world who are trying to make a living legitimately, and their actions are affecting them. "Any mother who helps her kids set up and operate a lemonade stand and use the proceeds to help others is a leftist commie who worships Gaia and doesn't shave her legs or armpits and is brainwashing her kids." That one you got right.
Let's face it: this was her lemonade stand. Those kids were just a front. They were barely able to pour a glass of lemonade by themselves. It was all her.
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#59. To: misterwhite (#58)
These kids caused a legit lemonade seller to lose almost $3,000. That's petty BS?
#60. To: Deckard (#37)
Knowles set up a GoFundMe page for her boys to raise the money instead. As of Wednesday afternoon, they were already about halfway to their goal.
#61. To: Tooconservative (#59)
So it probably wasn't just the authorized beverage vendor who had an incentive to rat them out to the citrus police.
#62. To: misterwhite (#61)
Well, children … what lessons have we learned today?
#63. To: Tooconservative (#59)
So it probably wasn't just the authorized beverage vendor who had an incentive to rat them out to the citrus police.
#64. To: misterwhite (#63)
#65. To: Tooconservative (#64)
He really could be posing for photos as a Hitler Youth leader. He's perfect for the part.
#66. To: misterwhite (#65)
#67. To: Tooconservative (#66)
#68. To: misterwhite (#67)
#69. To: misterwhite, Deckard, GrandIsland, Tooconservative, Stoner (#40)
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Now here's the kicker the story didn't disclose. The kids set up their lemonade stand right next to the Denver Arts Festival, where there was a lemonade vendor. The kids sold lemonade 2/ $1 while the licensed vendor sold it for $7 a glass.
#70. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite (#66)
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#71. To: Tooconservative (#68)
#72. To: Liberator (#69)
But for further fairness sake, exactly just how close was "next to the Denver Arts Festival"? Some of these fairs are YUGE.
In this case there is circumstantial evidence that Mommy is a slick one who knowingly exploited a situation. The kids don't know better and still shouldn't be subject to anything less than treating *them* with kid-gloves.
#73. To: misterwhite, Tooconservative (#71)
#74. To: Liberator (#69)
exactly just how close was "next to the Denver Arts Festival"?
#75. To: Liberator (#70)
#76. To: Tooconservative (#72)
"It almost does look like they set up shop in a park"
#77. To: Tooconservative (#72)
I did wonder that myself. Maybe their house was just on a nearby street. It almost does look like they set up shop in a park or something which would make it worse than if they tried it on private property.
#78. To: misterwhite (#76)
#79. To: Liberator (#77)
The deeper one digs into this story, the more Mama looks like...a Lemonade Pimp.
#80. To: Tooconservative (#78)
I've seen that Jeselnik bit before, the whole comedy show. Pretty good stuff.
#81. To: Tooconservative (#72)
And she still monetized by begging on the internet.
#82. To: misterwhite, TooConservative, Stoner (#74)
Close enough for the legitimate lemonade vendor to feel the pinch and call the cops. He didn't do it to be mean -- he's trying to make a living.
#83. To: Tooconservative (#75)
Major Hochstetter from Hogan's Heroes?
#84. To: misterwhite (#81)
What's with that? Here she is taking credit for helping some kid in Indonesia … … with other people's money? "Oooh, look what I did. With your money. Aren't I a good person?"
#85. To: Liberator (#82)
Here's the local Denver Tee-Bee station reporting on the incident. They obviously took the side of Mommy, who is interviewed. Her account seems too slick, scripted and idealistic to be believed. Your impressions?
#86. To: misterwhite, Tooconservative (#82)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#87. To: Liberator (#84)
Mom has GOT to be a Dem, totally blind to the irony of her Marxist principle of taking OTHER peoples' money to redistribute.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#88. To: Liberator (#82)
or whether patrons could clearly see the kids' stand.
#89. To: Deckard (#86)
The stand was set up NEAR the art fair, not AT it.
#90. To: Stoner (#46)
Many of the posters should be ashamed of their statements displaying their low IQ's and lack of common sense !! I am rather surprised at the comments of some of the posters ! I had previously thought better of them !!
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#91. To: misterwhite (#88)
I'm guessing it was placed to take advantage of the Art Festival foot traffic.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#92. To: misterwhite (#89)
And, coincidentally, she set up her lemonade stand on the same day of the fair.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#93. To: Deckard, misterwhite, Liberator (#86)
Nice job of derailing the topic of thread, questioning and criticizing the family's motives instead of discussing the obvious heavy-handedness of the local gendarme and the loss of individual freedoms in this once great country.
#94. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite, Liberator (#93)
And we've actually talked about lemonade stands steadily
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#95. To: Deckard, misterwhite, Liberator (#94)
Any mother who helps her kids set up and operate a lemonade stand and use the proceeds to help others is a leftist commie who worships Gaia and doesn't shave her legs or armpits and is brainwashing her kids.
#96. To: Deckard (#92)
So what? The lemonade stand wasn't AT the fair.
#97. To: Deckard (#94)
Here's what I've learned from your posts -
to be shut down by the State a permit just like everyone else.
#98. To: misterwhite, Deckard (#97)
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