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Title: Poland would like a permanent U.S. military base
Source: HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2018/05 ... e-permanent-u-s-military-base/
Published: May 28, 2018
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2018-05-28 19:02:28 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 9117
Comments: 100

Word has leaked out that Poland has delivered a proposal requesting a permanent American military base in their country and they’re willing to put up a couple of billion dollars to help make it happen. What should have been a fairly normal diplomatic request, however, has turned into a complicated mess before it could even be officially announced. Questions were immediately raised as to not only how or if this should happen, but even who came up with the proposal in the first place. (Politico)
Poland wants a permanent U.S. military presence — and is willing to pony up as much as $2 billion to get it, according to a defense ministry proposal obtained by Polish news portal Onet.

The Polish offer reflects a long-standing desire in Warsaw to build closer security relations with the U.S. and put American boots on the ground. The push dates back to Poland’s entry into NATO in 1999, but has taken on added urgency in the wake of Russia’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea region four years ago and aggressive posture toward the alliance.

Coming just over a month before NATO leaders gather in Brussels for a summit, the Polish initiative is bound to anger Russia, and will be looked at with skepticism by European allies that want to improve relations with Moscow, such as Italy and at times Germany.

The first, and strangest thing about this proposal is that it was already sent to Washington, but it came directly from the Polish Defense Ministry. That may not sound all that unusual since their Defense Department would obviously be involved in such planning, but Defense never even told their Foreign Ministry about it, nor did they consult with President Andrzej Duda. Much the same as with the United States government, Duda is Poland’s Commander in Chief. You’d think someone would mention it to him before they committed to spending $2B constructing a foreign military base on their own soil.

Duda has had a fairly good relationship with President Trump thus far and, as a NATO ally, has taken a bit more of an adversarial approach toward Russia. But that complicates the picture even further. Poland is justifiably worried about the situation with Putin ever since the hostilities in Ukraine began. Poland shares a border with Ukraine and only has Belarus as a buffer between themselves and the Russian border. But given that things are a bit “tense” between us and the Russians at the moment, it makes entering into such an agreement even more complicated.

And, of course, the Russians jumped on the story almost immediately expressing their disapproval. (Reuters)
The Kremlin said on Monday that gradual NATO military expansion towards its borders did not improve security or stability in Europe as it commented on media reports Poland is seeking to secure a permanent U.S. military presence on its territory.

“When we see the gradual expansion of NATO military structures towards our borders…, this of course in no way creates security and stability on the continent,” Dmitry Peskov told reporters on a conference call on Monday.

Do we really even need another base over there right now? We’re supposedly focusing on closing and consolidating bases in that region to tighten up the Defense budget. Even with the Poles kicking in a couple of billion, this is still going to cost us some cash and we already have a rotating military presence in their country anyway. We’ve supposedly been on track to close 15 more bases in Europe, including some in Germany, since 2015. Assuming we’re still moving forward with that plan, how do we justify a new base in Poland unless we want to officially ramp up the cold war yet again?

We have a solid ally in Poland and cooperation with them probably isn’t a bad idea. But a permanent military base? The benefit to Poland on any number angles is obvious, but I’m not sure what it really does for us. Perhaps we should hold off until Duda has had a chance to make his official position known and set up a call with Trump to discuss this.


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The Poles are begging Trump to Make Poland Great Again.

I can't recall any of our allies offering to pay billions to build a new base for us to flock to. Maybe the Qataris did for our navy base but I don't recall that they paid either.

I think the Poles are hoping to woo us out of Germany where Merkel has gotten more unfriendly and has an embarrassing military. Poland's military is scrappy with good equipment for the most part. Poland would like to be our new military hub in Europe instead of Germany.

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#67. To: Tooconservative (#0)

The Poles are begging Trump to Make Poland Great Again. I can't recall any of our allies offering to pay billions to build a new base for us to flock to. Maybe the Qataris did for our navy base but I don't recall that they paid either. I think the Poles are hoping to woo us out of Germany where Merkel has gotten more unfriendly and has an embarrassing military. Poland's military is scrappy with good equipment for the most part. Poland would like to be our new military hub in Europe instead of Germany.

I enjoyed serving with the Polish Army in Iraq. Unfortunately, two weeks after I left my first deployment a Major I befriended was KIA by an IED. Two of his soldiers caught up with me in Kuwait to deliver the bad news. Good guy and good officer. Took care of his troops well.

We are already rotating out brigade combat teams every 9 months or so, so perhaps having a permanent base there might actually cut some costs.

redleghunter  posted on  2018-05-31   18:17:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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I am kind of amused that Poland is bold enough to try to take advantage of Merkel's bad relationship with Trump and her weak military and attempts to foist all those migrants on to the resisting eastern EUros.

And they just forthrightly offer him a business deal. Poland: "You give us base, we give you $2B American. Okay?"

Trump must love the offer, even if the Pentagon probably isn't so thrilled that allies might bid to get bases sited in their country.

Can you imagine Trump out on the campaign trail: "Ya know, those Poles are terrific at standing up to Merkel trying to force them to take in her overflow of refugees. And Poland, a great little country, very classy military, made me an offer to pay us $2 billion to put a base in Poland. Yeah, no president ever made a deal like that before, getting paid to put our base in their country. Looking at this, you realize how our past presidents have made terrible deals on trade, on NATO, on lots of things but I intend to fix all those bad deals."

It really would be astonishing if Trump actually took their deal. Or bid them up to $2.5B and then accepted the deal. LOL

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EU plans to reduce subsidies to Eastern Europe by tens of billions.

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Can you imagine Trump out on the campaign trail: "Ya know, those Poles are terrific at standing up to Merkel trying to force them to take in her overflow of refugees. And Poland, a great little country, very classy military, made me an offer to pay us $2 billion to put a base in Poland. Yeah, no president ever made a deal like that before, getting paid to put our base in their country. Looking at this, you realize how our past presidents have made terrible deals on trade, on NATO, on lots of things but I intend to fix all those bad deals."

LOL!!! You should speech write for Trump. You have him down pat.

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