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Title: Russia Just Blinked in Syria and It Isn’t an Accident
Source: RedState
URL Source: https://www.redstate.com/streiff/20 ... t-blinked-syria-isnt-accident/
Published: May 28, 2018
Author: streiff
Post Date: 2018-05-28 14:53:02 by Tooconservative
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Comments: 17

“When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse.”

–Osama bin Laden, terrorist mastermind and, as it turned out, prophet.


One of the many signature accomplishments of the Obama administration was inviting Russia to take a role in the war in Syria. If one were writing a John le Carre-style novel one could draw a straight line from our withdrawal from Iraq to the rise of ISIS to the Arab Spring to our attempt to overthrow Assad to the rise of ISIS to the increase of Iranian power to using the Russians as our intermediary with Iran to negotiate the now-defunct Iran nuclear deal to a Russian military presence in Syria.

But as Iran’s power has grown in the region and it looks more and more intent upon creating a Shia empire stretching from Tehran to the Mediterranean, it has become an existential threat to Israel. Israel has struck at Iranian bases in Syria and the intermixing of Russian and Iranian assets has now become a liability. Two days ago, Israel told Russia that it would no longer confine its attacks to Iranian targets along the Syria-Israel frontier but would now target them throughout Syria.
Israel has told Russia that it will broaden its military operations against Iranian positions in Syria to include the entire country, an international Arabic newspaper reported over the weekend.

According to London-based Asharq al-Awsat, Israel has decided to expand its “red lines” in Syria and will no longer confine itself to the area near its southern border. Israel has been cited as the source of numerous air and missile strikes in the country on sites connected to Iran and its Lebanese terror proxy Hezbollah.

Now Russia is trying to extract its Iranian client/master (because the Russo-Iranian relationship has Russia both leading and being the toady to the Iranians) from a no-win predicament. Iran can’t stay in southern Syria because they can’t project the force necessary to either deter Israeli attacks or to defend their own forces. They can’t leave, because to be seen as being booted out by the Jews would destroy the aura of invincibility and inevitability that Iran has tried to develop around its march to the sea.
Israeli political and military leaders believe Russia is willing to discuss a significant distancing of Iranian forces and allied Shi’ite militias from the Israel-Syria border, Israeli officials say.

The change in Russia’s position has become clearer since Israel’s May 10 military clash with Iran in Syria and amid Moscow’s concerns that further Israeli moves would threaten the stability of Syrian President Bashar Assad’s regime.

Russia recently renewed efforts to try to get the United States involved in agreements that would stabilize Syria. The Russians might be willing to remove the Iranians from the Israeli border, though not necessarily remove the forces linked to them from the whole country.

Russia, too, is dealing with a public relations problem. It is trying to link a withdrawal of Iranian forces from the Syrian border with a withdrawal of US forces around al-Tanf–this was the location where Russian mercenaries got the snot beat out of them by US forces back in February. Without some sort of face-saving deal, Russian prestige will suffer and the Iranians will start thinking the Russians are looking for an exit. And they are.

What had started out as a venture to procure a Mediterranean port and supporting logistics facilities and airbases to project Russian naval power into the Eastern Med has become an oozing ulcer, costing Russia cash and lives.

None of this just happened.Leon Hadar has an interesting article in The National Interest called Trump’s Strategy for the Middle East Is Working. In it he juxtaposes the way Middle East crises used to work and the deft change of calculus made by Trump (I’m using Trump as a metaphor for his administration because guys like Mattis and Bolton and Pompeo have watched the Middle East for a while).
Remember the days when any sign of growing tensions in the Middle East, not to mention a new act of violence involving Arabs and Israelis, would have immediately triggered pressure on Washington to “do something” as soon as possible.

Doing nothing, U.S. officials were warned, could risk a full-blown regional war, outside intervention by global adversaries, oil embargoes, the collapse of pro-American Arab regimes, the survival of Israel, and perhaps even the end of the world as we know it.

As the rest of the nation’s international and domestic problems would be placed on the policy backburner, the U.S. president would make urgent phone calls to Middle Eastern leaders, as he and the rest of Washington would consider sending the Marines, dispatching American envoys to the Middle East, launching another “peace process” and perhaps even convening another “peace conference.”

This kind of American diplomatic hyperactivity in the Middle East would be followed by the deployment of U.S. peacekeeping troops and the provision of huge financial assistance packages, with the Americans being drawn into never-ending efforts to resolve unresolvable conflicts, continuing to raise the costs of U.S. intervention in the Middle East.

And you could always count on America’s European allies, in another demonstration of their free-riding on American power, to press the United States to “do something” and then criticize Washington’s policies as a way of pandering to the Middle Easterners (“See, we aren’t as pro-Israeli as the Americans”).

Now, it is the Russians in that position. Though I think Hadar goes to obscene lengths to not criticize the Obama administration–they are the ones that turned a routine Syrian massacre of political opponents into a regional war complete with genocide and ethnic cleansing–what has happened is completely right:
Although President Trump has yet to state a coherent foreign-policy doctrine (something that he shares with his predecessor), it seems that his idea of U.S. disengagement from the region has been to support Saudi Arabia and the other Arab-Sunni states and Israel to encourage them to use their military power to contain what they considered to be an Iranian threat to their security. At the same time, he supported allowing the Russians to establish some sort of stability in Syria, and make it possible for the United States to end its military presence in the Levant now that the Islamic State has been defeated.

It is interesting to note that many officials and pundits in Washington continue to operate under the belief that what happens or would happen in the Middle East, including the prospects for a military confrontation between Iran and Israel, depends on what the United States says and does.

Hence, the notion that the U.S. decision to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal accelerated the military tensions between the Iranians and Israelis (because the Iranians were supposedly “humiliated” and the Israelis were “emboldened” by Trump’s abrogation of the 2015 accord.)

In fact, both sides are being driven by other considerations (Iran’s interest in exerting its influence in the region; Israel’s concerns over Iranian military presence across its border with Syria), and nothing that Washington would do is going to change their respective strategic calculations, short of deploying U.S. troops to Syria.

But this time around, the global actor that needs to be worried about the possibility of a military confrontation between Iran and Israel in Syria is Russia that recognizes that that could threaten its evolving Pax Russiana in the Levant.

President Putin would, therefore, need to use Russia’s military and diplomatic power, including his close personal ties with the Israeli and Iranian leader, to prevent that from happening. As the Americans learned in the past, that kind of diplomacy ends up being the target of criticism by all the major players, as Putin discovers that he has no choice but to bribe the Iranians and the Israelis, without receiving any gratitude from either side.

If Putin succeeds in his efforts, and convinces the Iranians and the Israelis to adhere to a set of rules of engagement in Syria. he would win a few diplomatic brownie points for averting an Iran-Israel war. If he fails, Russia and not the United States would be blamed the ensuing mess this time, allowing the Trump Administration to pick up the pieces, if it so desires.

And there is more:
But isn’t the withdrawal of the United States from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), and the tough posture the Trump Administration has embraced in dealing with the Islamic Republic, run contrary to President Trump’s goal of reducing U.S. military presence in the Middle East since it supposedly would lead to a confrontation between the United States and Iran?

That is not necessarily the way President Trump sees it. He is counting on the Saudis and the Israelis, joined by Egypt, Jordan and the other Arab Gulf states to stand-up to the Iranians, by using their enormous military power to mention the high financial resources at their disposal, with the United States providing indirect intelligence and military assistance, and ready to intervene only as the “balancer of last resort.”

I think Hadar misses a larger point here. This forcing of the Arab states and Israel into an alliance, and this was a stated objective of Trump in his visit to Saudi Arabia–a visit that was overshadowed in some quarters by his participation in a sword dance and Toby Keith performing to an all-male audience–has defanged the Palestinians. They are seeing that no one really cares about them and while the Arab states are willing to say pleasing things, the Palestinian issue is a secondary concern to states fighting for their very lives against Iran. This is a generational, if not permanent, re-ordering of the Middle East.
At the same time, while much of the conventional wisdom has been that the opposition to revoking the by America’s European allies is driven by their business interests in Iran, the fact is that they, and in particular France and the other southern European countries, are even more concerned about the more direct threat that a nuclear Iran and its ballistic missiles could pose to their security. That explains why France was insisting on tougher restrictions on Iran during the negotiations over the JCPOA, and why French President Emanuel Macron is interested in working on some sort of a compromise that would prevent the Iranians from restarting their nuclear military program. He is fully aware that only the United States could guarantee such a deal.

And, amazingly, this is serving to reduce Germany’s ability to call the shots for the EU on how it relates to Iran.

In sixteen months the Trump administration has beaten ISIS to rags, forced Israel and Saudi Arabia into a virtual alliance, and has the Russians looking for the exit. This is not a bad start.

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

I see in this just a lot of patriotic flag-waving hot air. Instead of championing right over wrong, it champions the might of one country over another, completely ignoring what's best & just for the people in the region. Iran and Russia wanting to dominate the region is bad, while the USA and Israel wanting to dominate the region is good. And that in a country where Iran and Russia are welcome by the Syrian government, and where both the USA Israel are expressly NOT welcome.

Screw the rule of law. Hooray for the USA. We're the champions because we can kick around other countries who (maybe) can't kick back. Aren't we the greatest country in the world? Don't you wish you were on our team?

That's the sentiment I read here.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-28   15:36:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tooconservative (#0) (Edited)

In sixteen months the Trump administration has beaten ISIS to rags, forced Israel and Saudi Arabia into a virtual alliance, and has the Russians looking for the exit. This is not a bad start.

Oh, and this last paragraph is rich.

It wasn't Trump that defeated ISIS. It was Putin. Russia did far more to eradicate ISIS than the USA did and that's a fact. But somehow, not only does Trump get credit for the evil Putin's accomplishments in eradicating perhaps the worst terror group in history, but ISIS's defeat is, strangely, a defeat of Putin!

So very rich....

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-28   15:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#0) (Edited)

has the Russians looking for the exit

I doubt if they will exit before they achieve their objectives.

But if you look at the history, Russia often was doing tactical retreats to win in the end. What they are doing now, they are devoting all their limited resources to be ready for a big confrontation.

But who knows, although the stakes are rising, people want peace and the world might become truly uni-polar, with the whole power concentrated in one place.

A Pole  posted on  2018-05-28   15:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#1)

I see in this just a lot of patriotic flag-waving hot air. Instead of championing right over wrong, it champions the might of one country over another, completely ignoring what's best & just for the people in the region. Iran and Russia wanting to dominate the region is bad, while the USA and Israel wanting to dominate the region is good. And that in a country where Iran and Russia are welcome by the Syrian government, and where both the USA Israel are expressly NOT welcome.

We were not uniformly unwelcome, not at first. Back then, our presence helped Assad. We made clear that any use of chem weapons would draw a reprisal.

The article is correct. The U.S. and Israel will not stand down from confronting Iran and demanding that it exit before the situation in Syria is considered resolved.

Trump doesn't want to stay at all. Israel knows that its somewhat fragile alliance with the Saudis could fall apart if they are too aggressive in Syria, even against Iran.

If Iran and Hezbollah withdraw, Israel will stand down and Trump will pull our troops back to the Iraqi border. Then Russia can declare victory in preserving its ally, Assad, and hightail it for Moscow while the getting is good. Russia knows that America, Israel and the Sunni Gulf sheiks could flood the insurgents with weapons to make the Russians' lives unbearable. Trump doesn't want to let Syria turn into his Vietnam but Putin doesn't want Syria to turn into his Afghanistan.

There will be no peace until Iran and Hezbollah get out of Syria. It's just that simple.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-28   16:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#2)

It wasn't Trump that defeated ISIS. It was Putin. Russia did far more to eradicate ISIS than the USA did and that's a fact.

Both sides did a lot of damage to ISIS, there is no doubt.

I'm not sure I've seen a fair scorecard of verified kills so we can tally it up and declare one the victor over ISIS. And Assad's army and militias killed plenty of them too.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-28   16:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A Pole (#3)

But if you look at the history, Russia often was doing tactical retreats to win in the end. What they are doing now, they are devoting all their limited resources to be ready for a big confrontation.

I don't think Russia is retreating yet. But I think they want a timeframe in the next year or so at most for withdrawing most of their forces.

It is not in Russia's interest for Iran to control Iran/Iraq/Syria/Lebanon.

Everyone wants Iran/Hezbollah out of Syria, for much the same reasons. Then the path to disengagement by America and Israel will open and the Russians will leave. There will be a peace settlement/amnesty to formally end the civil war. Assad remains adamant in negotiations that the presidency must be preserved (and held by an Alawite like him).

Assad has won. It's time to stop people dying and let people return to their homes and a chance to live their lives. And the outsiders like Iran/Russia/America need to get out ASAP. It's actually in all their interests to do so. Iran is overextended in Syria, Trump has been willing to commit some resources but he wants out, Vlad wants to declare that Russia has stood by her ally Syria and they beat the terrorists/rebels.

It's time for all of them to get out of Syria. No need to wait much longer. Assad is consolidating control and re-establishing a police apparatus. When the M-5 to Jordan is re-opened, it will be possible for people in refugee camps to return to Syria and start to rebuild the country. This could happen in the next 3-6 months. But only if Iran gets out first.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-28   17:05:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#4)

The U.S. and Israel will not stand down from confronting Iran and demanding that it exit before the situation in Syria is considered resolved.

I disagree. Israel and Saudi Arabia want Assad gone. That was the whole point of the civil war in the first place. Saudi Arabia is Sunni and Iran Shiite and Saudi Arabia doesn't want Iran to have an ally in Assad. So they've wanted Assad gone from the get go. And end to the civil war with Assad remaining in power won't change that. And Isreal simply wants to isolate Iran as much as possible and, as usual, wants all countries bordering them, plus Iran, to be disarmed.

If Iran and Hezbollah withdraw, Israel will stand down

I don't think "stand down" is in the Israeli vocabulary.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-28   17:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#5)

Both sides did a lot of damage to ISIS, there is no doubt.

Insofar as the USA had a vested interest in removing Assad, they had a motive in letting ISIS do as much damage to Syria as possible. It's not even realistic to suggest that the US would arm, train & aid some rebels in their fight against Assad, and at the same time, combat ISIS forces that have the same objective. It's simply something everyone learns in Military Strategy 101. You don't attack forces doing you favors. So on that basis, I don't consider it realistic to suggest that the US did damage to ISIS that is comparable to Russia's efforts. Russia had full motive to repel ISIS (even without considering their atrocities) while the US had only compromised motive.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-28   17:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative (#6) (Edited)

It is not in Russia's interest for Iran to control Iran/Iraq/Syria/Lebanon.

I don't think Iran is looking to "control" those places. But Iran understandably does not want to be isolated either, and losing Syria to Saudi Arabia control is something they don't want to see happen.

The US has no bone in the fight, except for Israel and Saudi Arabia, the latter of which is the only country offering any economic benefit, and these days only marginally so as the US can make it's own oil if needed. Iran has a much stronger compelling interest in Syria than the US does.

Assad has won. It's time to stop people dying and let people return to their homes and a chance to live their lives. And the outsiders like Iran/Russia/America need to get out ASAP.

I agree it's well past time for that. But Israel & Saudi Arabia needs to accept an Assad regime in Syria. I think Putin would be happy to persuade Iran to leave Syria and get out himself, provided assaults on Syria would cease.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-28   17:47:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#7)

Israel and Saudi Arabia want Assad gone. That was the whole point of the civil war in the first place.

But even worse than Assad in Syria is a full-blown Iranian army and Hezbollah on the march. Far more dangerous than Assad ever was. The attempt to overthrow Assad was to make way for Qatari pipelines, in a Saudi-brokered deal, to run through Syria and Turkey to provide competition to the EU's reliance on Russian natural gas. And the Qataris have really massive natural gas deposits. But, over the course of the Syrian civil war, the Qataris were still sort of sharing certain oil/gas assets with the Iranians and they were somewhat accommodating Iran in a way that was far too friendly for the other Arab oil monarchies in the Gulf. Something near a state of war exists toward Qatar, despite our naval base there. They're all in a real snit about it. Because...Iran.

But that Sunni takeover of Syria and deposing Assad and building those pipelines is what was desired then. Now that won't happen because Vlad is protecting his ally who will, in turn, make sure there is no Qatari pipeline to Europe to compete with Russian natural gas supplies. And America/Israel/Sunni monarchs are all determined that Iran cannot stay in Syria, no matter what.

It no longer even matters why some of these various countries got involved in Syria. It's just important to end the war now.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-28   18:20:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pinguinite (#9)

Iran has a much stronger compelling interest in Syria than the US does.

No, it doesn't. It doesn't share a border with Syria, nor does Syria threaten their neighbor, Iraq.

And don't kid yourself. Iran absolutely wants control of the region, all the way to the Mediterranean. Maybe you aren't appreciating how tempting it would be. Then those desired pipelines could be carrying Shi'ite natural gas to Europe.

The US has no bone in the fight, except for Israel and Saudi Arabia, the latter of which is the only country offering any economic benefit, and these days only marginally so as the US can make it's own oil if needed. Iran has a much stronger compelling interest in Syria than the US does.

Our stake in the fight was to prevent ISIS from any chance at defeating both Assad and al-Nusra and taking over Syria as an ISIS Islamic caliphate. For a while, until Russia and America stepped in substantially, it looked like ISIS could win control of all of Syria. We were never there to take out Assad as much as to take out ISIS. We would, of course, be overjoyed if we could just get Assad to quit because we said some Mean Things about him but that isn't going to happen.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-28   18:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#0) (Edited)

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BorisY  posted on  2018-05-28   18:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: BorisY (#12)

Question: Are you enjoying a Hawaiian BBQ near a lava flow today? If so,why aren't you constrained by legal guardians; if not, you should be slapped on a stainless steel gurney as a testament to the state of Hawaii's law enforcement system.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-05-28   19:01:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#10)

But even worse than Assad in Syria is a full-blown Iranian army and Hezbollah on the march. Far more dangerous than Assad ever was.

If this is a suggestion that Iran might actually try to invade Israel, I think it's an extremely silly suggestion, frankly. As pointed out, Iran has no border with Israel. It would need to send this "full-blown" army across Iraq AND Syria to get to the border. And they'd pretty much need Putin's blessing to do so, above and beyond that of Iraq and Syria, and NOT have the US and Saudi Arabia intervene, which they already know would happen. And even if that weren't enough, they know, as we do, that Israel has nukes.

Any such effort wouldn't even make it half way across Syria, assuming it even made it half way across Iraq. And of course the cost of the operation, not to mention Iranian lives, is an expense that would likely be hard for Iran to swallow politically, I contend. I know everyone likes to think of Iran as a country full of suicidal jihadists, but I for one don't think that's true.

Iran has a population of some 10-12x that of Israel, so Iran has a huge amount more to lose than Israel does. Iran is also more westernized than most countries in the region. They have a life, and they won't throw it away in spite of hostile, anti-Israel rhetoric.

The pipeline info is new to me, so point taken. However, given the instability in the region, I'd give any pipeline, whether from Iran or Qatar, about a 24 hour expected operation time before someone, somewhere, blew a hole in the damn thing. And you gotta agree with me on that!

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-28   19:42:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative (#11)

And don't kid yourself. Iran absolutely wants control of the region, all the way to the Mediterranean. Maybe you aren't appreciating how tempting it would be.

And the whole world! I see that you understand this intimately.

A Pole  posted on  2018-05-28   19:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative (#11)

No, it doesn't. It doesn't share a border with Syria, nor does Syria threaten their neighbor, Iraq.

I'm afraid you glossed over my statement too quickly. I said:

Iran has a much stronger compelling interest in Syria than the US does.

While true, Syria is a country away, at least it's possible to walk from Iran to Syria, and a flight between the two would not even cause jet lag, neither of which is true compared to the USA. Iran does indeed have MORE compelling interest (or perhaps I should say, more justifiable interest) in Syria than does the USA.

We were never there to take out Assad as much as to take out ISIS.

That I can't agree with. The US, like all governments, cares more about their individual foreign policy interests than it does in "spreading democracy" or "protecting human rights". And both Israel and Saudi Arabia wanted and still want Assad gone. If that means turning Syria into another devastated Iraq or Libya, killing tens of thousands and creating 100's of thousands of refugees, the sentiment is that it's a very cheap price to pay, and they'd willingly pay more.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-28   19:50:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Tooconservative (#6)

There will be a peace settlement

Settlements and treaties are worth now less than the paper on which they are written.

The time we are entering is of mere brute force.

A Pole  posted on  2018-05-28   19:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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