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Here Are Receipts" "Trump Administration Freezes $2 Billion After Harvard Refuses to Meet Demands"on After Harvard Refuses to Meet Demands "Doctors Committing Insurance Fraud to Conceal Trans Procedures, Texas Children’s Whistleblower Testifies" Status: Not Logged In; Sign In The Establishments war on Donald Trump See other The Establishments war on Donald Trump Articles Title: Revolt: Three EU nations block resolution meant to "embarrass and isolate" the White House Source: HotAir URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2018/05 ... embarrass-isolate-white-house/ Published: May 13, 2018 Author: Jazz Shaw Post Date: 2018-05-13 11:22:43 by Tooconservative Keywords: None Views: 7579 Comments: 43 Preparations are underway for the grand opening of the new United States embassy to Israel in Jerusalem. While the President won’t be able to attend as he prepares for his summit with North Korea, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have arrived to do the honors along with a number of other delegates. But not everyone is quite so thrilled with this development, particularly in some parts of the European Union. They were preparing to put forward a resolution condemning the embassy move, delivering a statement which was explicitly designed to “embarrass and isolate the Trump administration” ahead of the ceremony. That nasty little poison pill fell apart this weekend, however, when three member nations blocked the resolution. The objection was led by Hungary, which was quickly joined by Romania and the Czech Republic. (Axios) Hungary, the Czech Republic and Romania, in coordination with Israel, today blocked a joint EU statement criticizing the relocation of the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, Israeli officials and European diplomats told me. Behind the scenes: The initiative to publish the statement was led by France and several other EU member states. Israeli officials say the goal was to present to the U.S. a common position against the move by all 28 member states, and to embarrass and isolate the Trump administration ahead of Monday’s ceremony. It turns out that the driving force behind the original resolution was French President Emmanuel Macron. Nice ally, eh? And it was only a few weeks ago that he was over here getting all touchy-feely with Trump amid speculation that he was playing some sort of flattery game to advance his position with the United States. So it’s perhaps not all that surprising that the revolt would be led by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban who has been no fan of the socialist bent of the European Union and frequently acted as a thorn in the side of Brussels. It’s also unsurprising that the Czechs and the Romanians would join in with Orban on this. Both countries are currently reviewing plans to possibly move their embassies to Jerusalem as well. That put a bit of a damper on the three points listed in the resolution, which were as follows: Jerusalem should be the capital of both states — Israel and the future state of Palestine. The final status of Jerusalem should be negotiated and only determined through negotiations between the parties. The member states of the EU will not follow the U.S. and will not move their embassies to Jerusalem. Here’s one question for Macron and the rest of the EU leaders who were prepared to go along with this insult. Why is it anyone’s business where the U.S. Embassy to Isreal is located except for the United States and Israel? The embassy can be wherever both countries mutually decide it should be. And trying to tell us where to locate our embassy looks rather embarrassing for Brussels when they can’t even enforce such an order on their own member nations. Perhpas minding your own business would be the better course of action here. Poster Comment: Too funny to see the EU's smelly little plot to embarrass Trump so deftly foiled by Orban. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 36. #1. To: Tooconservative (#0) The Trump WH is a culture of raw sewage... There is nothing that anybody can say or do that would insult them... they just merely absorb & wallow in the slimey shit that they embrace as a protective barrier... Willie Green  posted on  2018-05-13   11:38:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Willie Green (#1) I thought it was funny to see Orban crap all over Macron's petty plot to grab a few cheap headlines. Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-13   11:51:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Tooconservative (#2) I thought it was funny to see Orban crap all over Macron's petty plot to grab a few cheap headlines. The EU thought it was admitting satellites. But the NATO alliance is led by the USA, not Brussels. The smaller states of the East that joined both did not intend to be freed of the Soviets only to hand their countries over to the French, British and Germans. They intend to be free states - protected by NATO - and rich states - economically within the EU. And they are perfectly willing to play their security chief, the USA, off against their economic chiefs, in Brussels, to make their own way forward. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-14   9:34:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Vicomte13 (#3) (Edited) I just was into the schadenfreude when those eastern states flipped them off and ruined their little scheme to condemn the new US embassy with a "unified voice". I wouldn't be surprised if these three countries announce they are ready to move their embassies as well. And I bet the Israelis will give them a prime embassy location too. Trump and Bibi have paved the way for this with advance work. The Romanian prez got an early WH visit with Trump. The Czechs and Hungarians are also recognized. And Israeli diplomacy is quite strong in eastern Europe. Bibi had a very successful tour in Hungary last year, spent 3-4 days there, right around the time they were passing laws to ban Soros and his subversive organizations. Israel is helping the Romanians try to establish a little Silicon Valley of their own, a regional tech hub like the ones that have worked well for Finland. I can think of others, like a few of the Baltics, perhaps Austria, moving their embassies as well. When that EU diplomatic dam breaks, it will break fast. In fact, this will pose a key test of EU authority to force members to do its will in foreign policy. The EU bigwigs may regret picking this little diplo fight with eastern Europe and America if it makes the EU look even more toothless and weak. --------- Too soon for any stories to be published but AP just tweeted that the USSC struck down all bans on state-sponsored sports betting. Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-14   11:57:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Tooconservative (#4) In fact, this will pose a key test of EU authority to force members to do its will in foreign policy. The EU bigwigs may regret picking this little diplo fight with eastern Europe and America if it makes the EU look even more toothless and weak. The EU is, above all, an ECONOMIC alliance. When it comes to standards and patents and regulatory inspection frameworks, of course all of Europe has to play by the same rules. The EU, and the Common Market before that, have been great at elevating the GDP of the free European countries. When it comes to foreign policy and defense policy, though, the desire of the old imperial powers, France and the UK, particularly France, to turn the EU into a base of international political power is a weak game. Europe simply doesn't have the military power to do that. Nor does it have the military record. America is utterly credible in the military sphere. We always beat Europeans, every time. The only people we DIDN'T beat was the Vietnamese, and who cares? It may drive crazy,American armchair warriors who want to speak of an unbroken record by redefining words, but nobody else cares, or should. The US is the prime mover in military affairs, and military power is the prime mover, or backup force, in all international relations. Sure, economic power matters, but it's military power is still the alpha. So, of course the Eastern Europeans want to be active members of the EU for economic reasons. But when it comes to military affairs, the EU is small beer and all posturing. The USA is the King, and currying favor with the King on matters of concern to the King is the way to gain favors from Washington that Paris and Brussels cannot match. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-14   13:18:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Vicomte13 (#5) So, of course the Eastern Europeans want to be active members of the EU for economic reasons. But when it comes to military affairs, the EU is small beer and all posturing. The USA is the King, and currying favor with the King on matters of concern to the King is the way to gain favors from Washington that Paris and Brussels cannot match. You just know it's eating Macron and Merkel alive today that Orban and the Czechs and Romanians spoiled their little tantrum over our embassy move. Their tears are so sweet.     : ) Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-14   14:00:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Tooconservative (#9) You just know it's eating Macron and Merkel alive today that Orban and the Czechs and Romanians spoiled their little tantrum over our embassy move. They have a way they look at the world. There is no evangelical yahoo wing of their electorate insisting on an unreasoningly pro-Israel stance, they derive no security advantage from Israel, which is a quintessentially American ally, but they very much want good relations with the Muslim world, because they have very large Muslim constituencies, because they need oil, and because there is opportunity for them to be found in trade with rogue states. Also, they simply don't like the in-your-face, unconstrained DEGREE of American dominance. In the EU, France, Germany and the UK all cock-block each other a lot, none can simply do as it pleases without consequences. And that makes them all feel better, because their jealousies are aroused when any member state starts to look to crawl out of the pot. The Americans act with the high-handedness that the British, French and Germans did of old, in their turn. The Germans were beaten far down, but the French and English never really were, so they are still playing balance of power games in their minds, and within Europe, they have a veto on anything. This makes them feel a tolerable equality. When the US acts unilaterally, and high- handedly, it upsets them, reminds them of their inferiorty in power and status, and causes them to want to drag the US down into line with the consensus. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-14   14:46:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Vicomte13 (#10) When the US acts unilaterally, and high- handedly, it upsets them, reminds them of their inferiorty in power and status, and causes them to want to drag the US down into line with the consensus. Hence their endless craving to impose sanctions on the U.S. via the International Criminal Court and hogtie it with U.N. treaties. Which never works, no matter how many times the Soviets or the French have tried it. Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-14   15:05:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: Tooconservative (#11) (Edited) For my part, I suppose I'm a bit of an anti-Semite, as it is currently defined. I don't hate Jews, or Arabs, or Semitic peoples in general. But I also don't think they are unique, or special, or God's beloved children, any more than anybody else. They, in their respective false religions (Judaism and Islam and Druze) all think they are special, and a whole set of moronic Christians believe that claptrap. But I think it's crap. The Jewish religion is that of a tribe. The Hindus have theirs. The Alabamians have theirs. I don't really care. The Muslim religion is an aggressive, violently proselytizing ideology, a threat to world peace. I categorically reject the concept that modern Israel is ordained by God. The destruction of biblical Israel was ordained by Jesus Christ and carried out by God in 69 AD. The day of the structure of things in the Old Testament was ended by God himself. So I see the attempts to equate the modern colony of Israel with Biblical Israel as being God-defying anti- Christian blasphemy taught by morons TO morons, and IF that is the basis for our foreign aid to Israel, I would cut it off and let Israel be wiped out. Israel has nothing to do with the Israel of the Bible. THAT Israel was destroyed by God for rejecting Christ. The descendants of that tribe STILL reject Christ, so their religion is blasphemous and the folks who don't understand that are just wrong. That said, the ethnicity, Jews, particularly European Jews, have been given shit by evil Christians for a millennium and a half. Given what was done to them by modern white secular European culture, without a rescue by American culture, I do consider that Jews have the right to a place to be secure. And given the proselytizing evil and arrogance of Islam, parking it smack lick-a-dab in the Middle of Dar-es-Islam and demonstrating the toothless non-existence of Allah by his complete inability to eradicate a postage stamp state is an important lesson. It takes a long time to teach the religious lesson: YOUR GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Backwaters take forever to catch on. But the way they eventually catch on is by being blasted to hell in war, where their non-existent gods do NOTHING to stop the scientifically and economically superior foe. So, the ethnic Jewish state there in Palestine has no religious significance in the direction of truth - Judaism is not right - BUT it sure puts the lie to Allah and the whole advancing Islam business. It causes Islam to blow itself up in distemper and shatter its teeth again and again. And that's good, because four generations of endless defeat and poverty have eventually worn out the Jordanians, the Iraqis, the Saudis, and so many others. And the "Catholic" form of Islam threat - the Shi'ites of Iran - to the "Protestant" form in Sunni Islam, has caused the rich oil states to start to speak the truth, which is that what Allah wants regarding Israel is not nearly as important as what the Arabs (and, conveniently, Allah) DON'T want regarding dominance over their religion and lives by Shi'ite Iran. I want to see peace between Syria and Israel, because Syria is the last country that borders Syria that has not bent the knee to reality and recognized that Israel is there to stay and not worth fighting. Get THAT war to end, and then I have to worry a lot less about terrorism in America, and I can spend a lot less on Israeli security and foreign aid. Which means that the boobs who have messianic dreams about Israel and who think that's what our foreign aid is all about finally get their comeuppance when we stop spending that money, because it's not necessary. Then they can bleed out the eyes about it down in Alabama and talk about how we've turned away from the "Chosen People" and will be "Left Behind". Really, it's those folks who will be left behind, and all that money we throw down the rathole of Middle Eastern war can be spent on more important things, like health care and schools and pensions. This is a long game, though, because religious ideas die hard. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-14   15:49:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Vicomte13 (#16) Get THAT war to end, and then I have to worry a lot less about terrorism in America, and I can spend a lot less on Israeli security and foreign aid. Exactly. Stop wasting money on the Israelis and Palis and Egyptians. And the Koreans. The world really has better things to do than allow international relations to revolve around these rather puny nations and their conflicts going back 50-70 years. I'm sick of the whole bunch. Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-14   15:59:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: Tooconservative, vicomte13, Y'ALL (#17) I want to see peace between Syria and Israel, because Syria is the last country that borders Syria that has not bent the knee to reality and recognized that Israel is there to stay and not worth fighting. --- Get THAT war to end, and then I have to worry a lot less about terrorism in America, and I can spend a lot less on Israeli security and foreign aid. ---- Vicomte13 Exactly. Stop wasting money on the Israelis and Palis and Egyptians. And the Koreans. ---- The world really has better things to do than allow international relations to revolve around these rather puny nations and their conflicts going back 50-70 years. ------ I'm sick of the whole bunch. ----- TC Well said, to both of you, ----- we agree. Thanks tpaine  posted on  2018-05-14   16:23:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: tpaine (#19) Yes. There are many things on which reasonable people of good will have to agree. And Syria and Korea are two of them. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-14   16:24:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: Vicomte13, tpaine (#20) I just saw a new piece at Foreign Policy, the CFR mouthpiece. Paragraph after paragraph, it just becomes more and more delusional. As if the JCPOA was some Holy Grail of EUro-diplomacy. FP: RIP the Trans-Atlantic Alliance, 1945-2018 Of course, that would be playing into Trump's hands either way. I think Trump has a better read of the character of that old bitch Frau Merkel than Frog-boy Macron does. I swear, it's like taking crazy pills just to read that piece. Try it. Your mouth will hang open in sheer shock. Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-14   17:03:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Tooconservative (#22) I swear, it's like taking crazy pills just to read that piece. Try it. Your mouth will hang open in sheer shock. To me, in micro, it's quite a bit like the folks who keep telling me that Trump cannot drive home the ouster of Assad and a regime change in Syria, because Russia doesn't want it. Russia is not powerful enough to stop it. And Europe is neither united enough, nor strong enough, nor even wise enough, to go it alone. Truth is, if Trump drives forward, he will get his way. The UN Security Council cannot STOP the US from withdrawing. So if the French, British and Germans want to keep paying Iran, they can, but the US, meanwhile, can sew up the Middle East. Including Syria. The CFR is acting, on the international stage, like the Lindsey Graham/Bushite Republicans are on the national scene: PRETENDING (for that's all it is - a fantasy) that they're "Deep State", national or international, can "stop" the will of the American people, which was clearly expressed by the election of Trump. It is true, the President HIMSELF can stop it, because the American President is an elected King and has vast powers. But Trump AGREES with the people. He was elected because he is an aristocrat who thinks like the People. So he's going to drive ahead. And the people who "stand up to him" are simply going to get plowed over by the massive, invincible power of the United States moving abroad, and the invincible power of the United States President, moving internally with the intense backing of a whole lot of people. McCain is all but dead. Graham is a weak chinned ninny. They can't stop him. Macron is young and dynamic, but the idea he is pushing, some sort of "Stop America" schtick BECAUSE we are acting unilaterally - and rightly - well, he can try. But in the end the Warsaw Pact is all going to side with America. And so might Italy, and Spain and Portugal, and Greece. The UK may ignore it's people on Brexit, but Germany/France/UK/Russia cannot stand up to the USA/Mediterranean/Eastern Europe for very long, because if they try there will no longer BE an EU. And I doubt the Dutch, Belgians, Swiss, Luxembourgeois or Scandinavians CARE what Macron, or May, or Merkel want. The EU is good for them, but the three posturing former bigger powers are making a mess of it. The USA is in the catbird seat, and what's more, we're actually right. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-14   18:29:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: Vicomte13, A Pole, tpaine (#27) To me, in micro, it's quite a bit like the folks who keep telling me that Trump cannot drive home the ouster of Assad and a regime change in Syria, because Russia doesn't want it. Not "cannot". "Won't." And anything that replaces Assad is...likely to be as bad as Assad. Whether Sunni or Shi'a or Assad's own sect of Shi'ite-lite Islam, they'll all be about equally dreadful. Leaving Assad there will ensure that Christians will fare better though. The Assads never went out of their way to harm Christians, protected them sometimes, as Saddam Hussein did. These Ba'athist regimes were power-sharing regimes with required representation of all factions. You may recall Saddam had a Christian foreign minister at the time we invaded Iraq. That could never happen now. Trump will not let himself get drawn anywhere near a Vietnam scenario where he gets bled dry by Russia and Iran in a pointless Syrian intervention. And given Syria's makeup and the lack of American interest there, that is the almost inevitable result. The best thing is to kill all of ISIS in Syria, then let Israel bloody the Iranians enough for them to leave. Then we withdraw as Trump declares our fabulous and world-class victory over ISIS. Then Vlad whips off his shirt and declares himself the victor in supporting his ally Assad and also leaves Syria. Russia just isn't that rich and they are straining to support an overseas effort like Syria. They are a shadow of what the USSR was, a source of great frustration and resentment to Pooty-Poot. As long as we will tolerate Assad, Iran and Russia will leave if we do. Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-14   18:59:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: Tooconservative (#34) As long as we will tolerate Assad, Iran and Russia will leave if we do. Assad is tolerable if he doesn't sponsor and defend terrorism against Israel. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-14   19:34:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: Vicomte13 (#35) (Edited) Assad Junior was never as big a foe of Israel as his father was. He'll go back to that stance if we let him. And he does have a country to rebuild for the rest of his life. It should keep him pretty busy. Even Hezbollah is running Lebanon now, having won elections on purely domestic issues. They are becoming a normal political party, or as normal as it gets in these countries. Starting a war with Israel isn't in their interest. When you look around the region, almost no one has a good reason or enough proximity to go to war seriously. That doesn't change the fact that the region is united against any Iranian expansions. Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-14   20:03:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 36.         There are no replies to Comment # 36. End Trace Mode for Comment # 36. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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