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Title: Revolt: Three EU nations block resolution meant to "embarrass and isolate" the White House
Source: HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2018/05 ... embarrass-isolate-white-house/
Published: May 13, 2018
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2018-05-13 11:22:43 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 6121
Comments: 43

Preparations are underway for the grand opening of the new United States embassy to Israel in Jerusalem. While the President won’t be able to attend as he prepares for his summit with North Korea, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have arrived to do the honors along with a number of other delegates. But not everyone is quite so thrilled with this development, particularly in some parts of the European Union. They were preparing to put forward a resolution condemning the embassy move, delivering a statement which was explicitly designed to “embarrass and isolate the Trump administration” ahead of the ceremony.

That nasty little poison pill fell apart this weekend, however, when three member nations blocked the resolution. The objection was led by Hungary, which was quickly joined by Romania and the Czech Republic. (Axios)
Hungary, the Czech Republic and Romania, in coordination with Israel, today blocked a joint EU statement criticizing the relocation of the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, Israeli officials and European diplomats told me.

Behind the scenes: The initiative to publish the statement was led by France and several other EU member states. Israeli officials say the goal was to present to the U.S. a common position against the move by all 28 member states, and to embarrass and isolate the Trump administration ahead of Monday’s ceremony.

It turns out that the driving force behind the original resolution was French President Emmanuel Macron. Nice ally, eh? And it was only a few weeks ago that he was over here getting all touchy-feely with Trump amid speculation that he was playing some sort of flattery game to advance his position with the United States. So it’s perhaps not all that surprising that the revolt would be led by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban who has been no fan of the socialist bent of the European Union and frequently acted as a thorn in the side of Brussels.

It’s also unsurprising that the Czechs and the Romanians would join in with Orban on this. Both countries are currently reviewing plans to possibly move their embassies to Jerusalem as well. That put a bit of a damper on the three points listed in the resolution, which were as follows:

  • Jerusalem should be the capital of both states — Israel and the future state of Palestine.
  • The final status of Jerusalem should be negotiated and only determined through negotiations between the parties.
  • The member states of the EU will not follow the U.S. and will not move their embassies to Jerusalem.

Here’s one question for Macron and the rest of the EU leaders who were prepared to go along with this insult. Why is it anyone’s business where the U.S. Embassy to Isreal is located except for the United States and Israel? The embassy can be wherever both countries mutually decide it should be. And trying to tell us where to locate our embassy looks rather embarrassing for Brussels when they can’t even enforce such an order on their own member nations. Perhpas minding your own business would be the better course of action here.


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Too funny to see the EU's smelly little plot to embarrass Trump so deftly foiled by Orban.

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

The Trump WH is a culture of raw sewage... There is nothing that anybody can say or do that would insult them... they just merely absorb & wallow in the slimey shit that they embrace as a protective barrier...

Willie Green  posted on  2018-05-13   11:38:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Willie Green (#1)

I thought it was funny to see Orban crap all over Macron's petty plot to grab a few cheap headlines.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-13   11:51:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#2)

I thought it was funny to see Orban crap all over Macron's petty plot to grab a few cheap headlines.

The EU thought it was admitting satellites.

But the NATO alliance is led by the USA, not Brussels.

The smaller states of the East that joined both did not intend to be freed of the Soviets only to hand their countries over to the French, British and Germans. They intend to be free states - protected by NATO - and rich states - economically within the EU.

And they are perfectly willing to play their security chief, the USA, off against their economic chiefs, in Brussels, to make their own way forward.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-14   9:34:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3) (Edited)

I just was into the schadenfreude when those eastern states flipped them off and ruined their little scheme to condemn the new US embassy with a "unified voice".

I wouldn't be surprised if these three countries announce they are ready to move their embassies as well. And I bet the Israelis will give them a prime embassy location too.

Trump and Bibi have paved the way for this with advance work. The Romanian prez got an early WH visit with Trump. The Czechs and Hungarians are also recognized. And Israeli diplomacy is quite strong in eastern Europe. Bibi had a very successful tour in Hungary last year, spent 3-4 days there, right around the time they were passing laws to ban Soros and his subversive organizations. Israel is helping the Romanians try to establish a little Silicon Valley of their own, a regional tech hub like the ones that have worked well for Finland.

I can think of others, like a few of the Baltics, perhaps Austria, moving their embassies as well. When that EU diplomatic dam breaks, it will break fast. In fact, this will pose a key test of EU authority to force members to do its will in foreign policy. The EU bigwigs may regret picking this little diplo fight with eastern Europe and America if it makes the EU look even more toothless and weak.

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Too soon for any stories to be published but AP just tweeted that the USSC struck down all bans on state-sponsored sports betting.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-14   11:57:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#4) (Edited)

I was looking at a democracy simulator last night, setting all of the policies, laws and taxes for the USA. It was interesting. I don't buy all of the premises built into the game logic, but it does let one simulate all sorts of different things.

Faced with the social issues and their religious and police and policy and law cross-effects, I realized that - when I am at the controls and am able to set the law where my heart and head tell me they should be.

Here's a litany of related issues: Abortion - to save the life of the mother only.

Evolution/Creation - teach both in public school, but heavily favor evolution as the scientific answer.

Same-sex stuff: tolerate it. Don't care.

Gambling: legalize it, no limits. Tax the proceeds as any other income.

Prostitution: legalize it all and tax it as any other income.

Drugs: legalize pot and tax the hell out of it. Keep stronger stuff illegal - too addictive and destructive. - treat drug addiction as a medical issue, not a crime.

Drinking age: 18. Smoking age: 18. Tax the hell out of tobacco and alcohol too.

Prayer and religious symbols in school: permit them, but do not allow schools to force them.

People for whom drinking, smoking (tobacco or pot) and gambling are religious issues would be outraged. Don't care. Their religion is wrong on the matter, and they don't get to rule.

Prostitution and gay shit are immoral in my eyes and the eyes of my religion too. Don't care. We don't live in a theocracy. When my church ruled the roost, we burnt people for heresy and witchcraft. Religious law is not secular law. Religious law cannot be allowed to govern human secular law of sex.

Abortion is murder, so we must stop that.

I am waaaay too tolerant to be either a Protestant or a conservative, or a "good" Catholic. So what?

If people want to gamble, let them gamble. I don't care. It's none of my business. It's not the federal government's business, and it's not really the state or local government's business either.

Since people won't resist the urge to pass laws and can't be persuaded, then having the Supreme Court wipe out all of that namby-pamby moralizing is fine by me. I'm done with it.

Smoke what you want. Fuck whom you want. Throw your money away however you want. I don't care. But don't kill babies. I do care about that.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-14   13:32:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

From time to time, it doesn't hurt to ask yourself not just what is wrong with the laws of the country now but what kind of country you think would work, would be a just and prosperous society.

That's a very libertarian country you're describing.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-05-14   13:58:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#8)

Yes.

The way I organize the police power is a blend of libertarian and authoritarian. I don't think that vices should be crimes. We've already seen that. I think that violent crime should be heavily suppressed, but I don't trust our justice system enough to have faith that executions really are of the guilty.

Also, I think that prisons currently are breeding grounds for worse crime, that there should not be private prisons or ankle bracelets, and that instead prisons should be intense coercive rehabilitation centers, with a pipeline to jobs - mostly government or agricultural - on exit.

I think that unemployment is a big deal: idle hands are the Devil's workshop, and I would rather have a substantial military, police force and general civil service of people on salary with health benefits and perfunctory administrative jobs than pay people unemployment and welfare for being idle. Housing, health care and food should come through work, not welfare, but I fully recognize that for a lot of low-skilled people, there simply do not exist commercially viable jobs in the private sector sufficient to pay the cost of housing, food, transport, medical care, child care and education.

Since I'm a Catholic, I cannot tolerate starvation and homeless.

THEREFORE, I understand that my only two REAL choices - the only choices morally acceptable to me - are heavy welfare OR a larger-than-necessary military, police force and civil service, and employment subsidies to encourage hiring. I vastly prefer a zero-unemployment, subsidized full work-force, artificially inflated by relatively do-nothing civil service jobs, than straight up welfare, unemployment, food stamps, public housing, Aid For Dependent Children, Disability, VA, etc.

To me, the difference between employing people in not-very-productive but nevertheless somewhat meaningful government jobs (having too many teachers and teachers aides, for example, or street sweepers) does provide some social benefit - kids are better supervised, and the streets are cleaner - than "saving money" by not employing them but giving them bare subsistence welfare instead.

The trouble with the bare-subsistence welfare goes past the direct misery and the untreated illness. The depression that results from being a derelict at the edge of society, unemployed and kept alive hand-to-mouth, is vastly increased rates of alcoholism - and the associated violent crime - increased depression, untreated for lack of care - increased tobacco use - and the associated cancers (which are treated by Medicaid) - child neglect, street crime and, of course, drug peddling and all of the associated addiction and crime.

In my estimation, the TOTALITY of cost in terms of injury, crime, lost man hours, destroyed lives, medical payments, prison costs, property damage and reduction of property values and tourist attraction of American cities due to unemployment and welfare is considerably more expensive than the cost of subsidized full employment.

I have been told by folks all over this site and others - maybe including you at some points - that this makes me a "socialist", but I reject the characterization. I have no ideological hobbyhorse for "The State" owning "the means of production", "because..." of some moral or philosophical reasoning. Tpaine, God bless him, reasons everything from a certain philosophical viewpoint, his notion of "The Constitution!"

But I don't really care who owns the means of production, as long as the production happens, in a reasonably clean way environmentally, and people have jobs so they can buy it and tend to their needs and their kids. That's the Christian part.

The purely pragmatic part is that if they AREN'T employed, even if pretty meaningless jobs, they WILL commit crimes - idle hands really ARE the Devil's workshop - and wreck shit, and steal shit - and depress everybody else - and welfare and incarceration cost more, on balance, than just employing people to chip paint, march with rifles, write traffic tickets, supervise kids, repair roads, pick up trash - you name it.

My immigration view is informed by this: the need to have FULL employment of Americans. If the doors are open, then the world will flood in for those jobs that make all Americans somewhere in the shade of middle class (or at least not poor). And that means an everlasting pool of poor and nothing gets better.

Far better, I think, to control the borders well and the population influx, so that we CAN employ everybody, and to provide the example for other nations. The cost of living is lower in Honduras.

Further, it is my observation of history that science and infrastructure is advanced by government. The private sector uses science government discovers, but it is government that makes the long, expensive investments into the pure sciences, and the private sector that does the much easier thing, which is to take the fruits of pure science and high tech and make it commercially marketable.

THAT is why I support the space program, and heavy funding of government labs and research in all of the basic sciences. I think it's a tragedy that the great particle accelerator was built in Europe, because in the USA it was scrapped as a cost-cutting measure.

So, while my state is libertarian - to a fault in the eyes of fundamentalist Christians - it also has a heavy governmental footprint of police, schools, health care and investment in science. It's much more like Holland or Massachussetts than Arkansas or Mississippi.

All of that stuff requires a lot of money. I believed in running a budget that is slightly in surplus, to pay down the debt however slowly. It doesn't matter that the debt be retired over decades or centuries, only that its balance be declining, all the while maintaining that structure I have named above.

And that means taxes. Now, I happen to think that taxes should be as widely and broadly cast across the whole spectrum of everything, so that they don't distort any particular thing.

I think the arguments about "double taxation" are puerile, to those who really BELIEVE the argument, and deceptive, when made by those who know better. Taxes that cut most broadly across the economy can be applied at relatively low percentages.

In this simulation, what has generally happened is that I structure the society the way I think it ought to be. We get nearly full employment, low pollution, low crime, and a small budget surplus that gradually grows. I win elections with about 65% of the vote.

But then I get assassinated, either by cabals of hardcore liberals, or hard- core capitalists. Holding the line on abortion, intelligence and immigration enrages radical liberals (Deckard got me!). Holding the line on pollution controls, working conditions and the taxes necessary to pay for it all gets the hard right mad at me. So they kill me every time, one or the other.

Of course, as complicated as the simulation is, it's just a simulation. I think that the government in the real world could be funded with a simpler and fairer tax code.

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