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Title: Ford Offers Buyouts to All Factory Workers
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Published: Dec 21, 2009
Author: cbsnews.com
Post Date: 2009-12-21 18:45:28 by WhiteSands
Keywords: Ford, Jobs, Taxes,OSHA,Carbon Taxes
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Comments: 154
(AP) Ford Motor Co. says it is offering buyout and early retirement incentives to all of its 41,000 U.S. hourly workers to further reduce its factory work force. Company spokesman Mark Truby said Ford still has too many factory workers for its current sales levels. He would not say how many workers the company wants to leave but said Ford is working that out with the United Auto Workers union. Ford currently has about 600 blue-collar workers laid off but available for recall. The buyout offer includes $50,000 cash plus a $25,000 car voucher or $20,000 more in cash. The retirement package includes $40,000 cash for skilled trades and $20,000 for production workers.
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If the plan is doing a "Circuit City" by replacing high paid with new low paid this sucks. If the plan is to move to another Nation then God Bless 'em.
----------------------------------------------------------- ALL??????? Sounds like they are getting ready to bail. Or at least shut down production in the US.
NWO!!!!
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
NWO!!!! Another step down that path,for sure. At this point we HAVE to stop and wonder just exactly what it will take for the sheeple to wake up and realize they have been robbed. Obviously hearing the news on tv and seeing their neighbors and relatives lose their jobs and houses isn't a big enough clue for them. I'm beginning to think the typical American is so clueless they will never wake up. They are little more than drones.
If the plan is to move to another Nation then God Bless 'em. How does your first statement differ from your second? Obviously if they move to another nation they would be replacing high paid workers with low paid ones. By firing a large group of workers here I'm unclear on who will be able to afford to buy their cars here. This is the fatal flaw of outsourcing jobs.
The only way Ford will survive is to get rid of all Union members. I can't blame them one bit. Kill off the Union, because their use is long, long gone, and lets get back to a free market.
I disagree. We should kill the global free market, kill free trade. Free Trade is responsible for the decline of the American auto industry. Once you eliminated tariffs, you eliminated the protection of American wages and jobs. You are corect. In a free global market, it is impossible for American workers to have good wages and benefits when it is so much more profitable to ship off shore and pay mexicans, brazilians, and chinese fractions of what they paid Americans. To protect jobs in America, you need to make it unprofitable to go elsewhere. That is what tariffs do.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
Damn right. Sweat shops were good enough for our ancestors and they should be good enough for us. After all, in a free market that's what were competing against. Along the same line, let's get rid of those ridiculous child labor laws too. Let the little bastards earn their keep. Why should they be treated any better than their counterparts in the Third World?
PFT- The UAW is a HUGE part of the problem in Michigan. No one- who has lived in Michigan, and known anyone employed by any of the auto makers is at all surprised by what has happened. I could have predicted when I was grade school. The Unions there killed the Auto makers. There are no sweat shops- but they may have to actually work and do it without a nanny. Worse things happen to Americans all of the time.
Not without the full cooperation of the automakers themselves.
Who were threatened and harassed and bullied.
Poor guys. No wonder they were so underpaid at what, $20 million per year or so? I would have been willing to run their companies into the ground for a mere $1 million per year.
That is what socialism does- it helps people destroy business and all that flourishes from healthy business. Ford might be the last great hope of a free people. After they get rid of the nannies and entitlement slaves, that is. Let them dump the unions and get back to work- and let the businesspeople make business... and everyone who is connected with Ford will eat and be merry, from the top down to the janitor who empty the garbage from the offices.
Unions didn't kill Detroit, that is free traitor nonsense pushed by the GOP establishment. When unionization of the workforce was at it's highest rates during the 1960s when GM profitability was also at it's highest. So this nonsense that paying a first world wages to skilled workers caused the bankruptcy of GM has no basis. What protected those wages and jobs were tariffs, once you lost those, it became more profitable to go to China or Brazil and pay third worlders peanuts.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
My point on this thread was in response to Whitey who seemed to imply that Ford moving operations overseas was a good thing. It's not, because people here have to be able to make a decent wage to be able to afford things like new cars.
Why does Whitey hate America?
Well, I dunno that post of yours doesnt seem logical to me. I will tell you why. I was born and raised in Motor city. My Dad was a lifetime Ford employee. Everyone I know from my childhood is connected with one of the automakers in someway. It is sort of a way of life for many people in the Metro Detroit area. I could have told you the difference between union and non Union Auto workers from the time I was about 7. So that is my POV. Unions are not good for business and therefore are not good for paychecks and therefore are not good for employment, and therefore are not good for the economy. I learned that when I was a babe in arms. Your mileage may vary- and prolly does. ;)
Because it's not Israel?
I think that depends on the union. For government unions, you're absolutely right. For private industry, it depends.
Hmm.. ok, I can give you that. :) And I was referring there to the UAW, I should have said that. Perhaps the cotton Union is good, I don't really know anything about them. FWIW_ Any experience I have had with Unions comes from that part of Michigan, where socialists will find any way to destroy the idea of *getting work done*. I am the kind of person who likes to get work done and not have my day all messed up with the politics of getting out of work- so I get a little testy around the word *union*. ;)
Not without the full cooperation of the automakers themselves. ......and a large segment of the US population that bought and continue to buy imports and support foreign manufacturers.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
I don't care how old you are, your version of events simply doesn't coincide with the facts that GM had it's highest rates of profitability in the 60s when unionization was at it's highest rates. What happened to Detroit has nothing to do with workers getting together and demanding a decent wage. IT has to do with free trade.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
It has to do with 'American' consumers purchasing and supporting imports and their manufacturers. We Americans have choices. No one that I have knowledge of was forced to purchase or support Japanese and German auto makers.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Bullshit, you don't have a choice when most manufacturing has been shipped overseas and you lost your high paying manufacturing job and any cheap affordable car is foreign. Though, at least your argument isn't as bad as other free traitors. You know their are no merits, and won't argue that their are. But you are a blind global capitalist ideologue that puts your suicidal theories before what's best for the nation.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
You're a typical fookin retard. We had choices and still do. If I manufacture a widget in Topeka, Kansas, paying a living wage to my workers, and the workers can buy a widget manufactured in Japan for less money and they do, how fookin stupid do you have to be to not realize by buying imported widgets, you are jeopardizing your own employment.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
No, you are the short sighted one. Stop drinking the GOP kool aid and look at reality. You are looking at the effects of free trade. Such a situation wouldn't exist with tariffs in a protectionist system. Tariffs make it unprofitable to move offshore because off the huge taxes levied on foreign goods brought into the country. Of course, once you eliminate those tariffs, it becomes much more profitable to move to the third world where you can pay mexicans or chinese pennies on the dollar. That is what American manfacturers who wished to go international lobbied for, and they got their wish. Tariffs were what made America strong and built America into an economic superpower. Tariffs protected American jobs and wages from cheap third world labor.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
I'll bet you drive an import and are a cheap fooker who buys cheap crap that supports foreign manufacturers. You make the choice to buy or not to buy. Americans support foreign manufacturers.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
A cheap fooker? What the hell is a fooker? The fact is, you didn't disprove a single thing I said. The choice Americans have is the same choice we will have in regards to government mandates to buy private insurance. IT isn't a choice when you have a low paying service job when your high oaying manufacturing jobs were shipped overseas due to elimination of tariffs and your choice is between a cheaper foreign car and a more expensive ar that claims to be made in the USA. Bt even if you buy a Ford, it is about as American as a Toyota. Both have assembly plants here, but the fact is most of the parts of your car are made in third world countries like Mexico because with elimination of tariffs it is much cheaper and more profitable for the company to do so. Your pro free trade position is a minority position that is pretty much only held by east coast money managers, neo con academics, GOP and Democratic Leadership, and multinational corporate management. Most americans want renegotiation of trade deals and want fair trade.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
You're so fookin stupid you can't comprehend the simple concept of choice. Go ahead and buy imported shit. Then bitch and moan about no jobs! Fookin morons! Free Trade does not inhibit Free Choice, IDIOT!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
No, the fact is, you aren't able to understand basic economics. I know you have contempt for working Americans, the Republican party(as has the Democratic Party since the 60s) has always been the enemy of the White American working class, but you are letting that hate blind any reason you have. You keep talking about this choice, as though there are any cars mostly made in America and that money just grows on trees for most Americans, it just isn't the case. One has no choice financially when they are are stuck in lower paying service jobs to just splurge and spend an extra 5,000 bucks on a car assembled in America but with parts built in Mexico; they are already living pay check to paycheck. The jobs are gone because former American but now multinational companies shipped jobs to the third world once tariffs were eliminated. It wasn't Americans' fault, it was the fault of politicians who voted the way of the corporate lobbies.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
Well, what I know from personal experience is that based upon the Union mentally, people predicted that Ford would be the last ones standing- as long as far back as 20 years ago when I was a kid. So call it a co-inky dink.. but I don't know anyone, who lived in the environment in Metro Detroit, who is surprised that Ford is the last one standing. The Unions killed the Auto makers.
You keep talking about this choice, You fookin moron, I have contempt for you fookin assholes who abandoned the American worker when YOU decided to buy imported shit. You're guilty! You're too fookin greedy and stupid to support US manufacturers and workers. You and those like you have brought this country down to the level it is today. I detest you despicable, whining, stupid, fookin idiots! I'm not holding your hand!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Wow, you are angry, I think I have hit a nerve. No, the multinational corporations and the corrupt politicians of the Democrat and Republican ilk who line their pockets with their lobbies' dollars are to blame. They eliminated tariffs, thereby eliminating protections against third world labor on American jobs and wages. The sad truth is, you care more about adherence to suicidal global capitalism than you do about the welfare of the American worker.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
Not to mention the ever higher mountain of regulations continually coming out of the District of Criminals.
They eliminated tariffs the welfare of the American worker. You're so fookin stupid you probably hit yourself in the head with a club and then declare how much better you feel when you stop! They didn't force you cheap assholes to buy foreign shit, did they? The truth is you cheap fellators killed the American worker. You are GUILTY!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
LOL! Guess who else says this all the time yukon? You guessed it.......YUKON! LMAOAY illegal alien!
Wow, now the American worker is a cheap asshole. However, I am not surprised of your attitudes towards the average working white American; as those are the attitudes of the GOP leadership. Your contempt for the average working American living pay check to pay check is wrong and unpatriotic.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
Not to mention the ever higher mountain of regulations continually coming out of the District of Criminals. Protections? You as a consumer need protections? You don't have the fookin brainpower to see that buying foreign shit is going to eliminate US production? You are a product of either retardation, failed parenting and public education, or all of the aforementioned.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
average working white American living pay check to pay check If the glove fits, wear it. You're guilty as charged. No one forced you cheap assholes to buy foreign shit, did they? Are you now claiming all "average working white American" are fookin morons like you? You are to blame. You choose to buy cheap imported shit and put your fellow workers on unemployment!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
That's not even what was said, idiot! You do know why you have to spin everything right?
Which one? I sure get a charge out of your attempts at changing the subject when you have been What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
LMAO! Sure thing Alice.
So who brought up "protections", moron? Your weak attempts at spin and changing the subject are pathetic at best.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Wrong again. You simply raen't living in reality. You act as though Americans chose to have jobs shipped overseas. You do so so you can cast the blame on those you hate for the conditions created by the nightmare of free trade away from the corporate lobbies who pushed for it. There is no choice for those living from pay check to pay check when they were relegated to lower paying service work after their jobs were shipped overseas by corporation who pushed for the elimination of tariffs. As I said before, they have no choice when it is between a cheap Japanese make and a "made in America" car who parts were made in mexico and then assembled in America which is out of their price range and has higher maintenance costs. You don't live in the nightmarish reality that this global capitalist system has created for the dwindling middle and working class. All you are loyal to is a word, capitalism, and you disregard else. Instead of blaming the perpetrators, you blame the victims.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
Impossible. You and Manchelle are never going to accomplish that, weepy! What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
they have no choice You are undoubtedly one of the dumbest fookin posters ever to inhabit the internet. Obviously you lack IQ and education and unfortunately I have no way of lowering myself to your level. I believe you need a special education specialist. The consumer MADE THE CHOICE when the first Jap and German imports were marketed in the US. Keyriced, get a fookin clue!!!!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
No, the fact is, you wouldn't be able to post if cuss words didn't exist. The fact you just cuss and repeat the same things over and over shows your lack of intelligence.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
You've already accomplished it yukon. I call you Alice because you live in Wonderland. You're a complete dunce and a waste of time, just like over at LP. I think I'll put you on bozo. I'm tiring of your idiotic responses.
repeat the same things over and over You're a government lackey who needs someone or thing to make choices for you because you are incapable of making them yourself. FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is all you have done while ignoring the fact that the American consumer had choices!!!!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
I think I'll put you on bozo. Yea, I wonder how you fookin morons manage to feed, clothe and wash yourselves. You are a BOZO, you fookin clown!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
When I was very little, my dad and uncle worked for the railroad. They were very fortunate to belong to the union. Unions used to protect the worker. I prefer Chevy over Ford. Unfortunatly, even American vehicles are made with parts assembled overseas these days.
This is just my opinion on unions and nothing against you or your union family members. I am absolutely anti union. This country was founded upon the rights of the individual. Not rights granted or coerced as part of a group. The employee/employer relationship should be just that, between the employer and the employee. Union members lose the right to individually negotiate with their employer. That is unAmerican. Unions are socialistic in their very nature.
My Buick was assembled in Canada. My Subaru was assembled in Indiana.
______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI), the maker of Subaru automobiles, is a leading manufacturer in Japan
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Mine was built in the USA.
______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
So where do the profits go? TOKYO! You're another supporter of globalism and Free Trade.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Pete....the lemmings just won't ever wake up. They don't hold themselves accountable for the crass desire for cheap consumerism and they certainly won't hold corporate entities who deliver their cheap goods accountable either. Without moribundly rambling on ... thems the facts.....
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
Spot on on this. Gone are the days where unions guarded against sweatshops and locked doors from the outside......now it's all about greed within the worker drones (which leads to fork lift driver "careers" ending up at burdened retirement rates exceeding 50+ USD) and self importance amongst the shiftless union thug leaders.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
You may have missed something...... Where I worked, the union leaders who cared about the workers (guarded against sweatshops) got hammered. The union folk who went along with management got promotions to ... management positions.
______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
Don't take me wrong though. For the most part, the Union was just another layer of someone dictating to the workers.
______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
Putting on caps and repetition doesn't make you any less wrong.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
So you oppose freedom of association? Essentially, you don't think people with common interests should be able to organize to protect each other? Union members don't lose any rights, they join because they know as a group they hold much more power. The fact is, the CEO of a large company really doesn't care what one worke has too say, however if enough of those workers organize and their voice will be heard. Unions are certainly based on collective interests, but by your definition any collective body is socialist.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
The problem is, any collective group can be infiltrated by the other side, especially with ______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
Your ignorance is astounding. Consumers have choices. You chose to support foreign manufacturers.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Your ignorance of economic and financial issues is astounding. One, how is a consumer going to buy an "american made" car when all the American brands outsourced part making overseas? The fact is, eliminating barriers made it much more profitable to have third world peons make the parts of your "American" ford. Secondly, there is no choice, the average american simply cannot afford to spend the extra 5000 dollars on a car whose parts were made in mexico but assembled in America to say a Toyota which is lower cost and lower maintenance. Since American Manufacturing has been outsourced, real wages have been stagnate since the 70s and in certain cases have gone down. They simply can't afford to splurge on a car that was mostly made in Mexico and will cost much more in maintenance. Not only did free traitors ship the products overseas, they shipped the income overseas. You have the cause and effect entirely wrong the jobs and products where shipped overseas once barriers were removed. Multinational Corporations lobbied for elimination of tariffs and once they got their wish they backed. And were not just talking about cars here, we are talking about clothes, tools, furniture, televisions, machinery, steel etc. Do you support or oppose free trade?
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
You have the cause and effect entirely wrong we are talking about clothes, tools, furniture, televisions, machinery, steel etc Look stupid, the American economy didn't just begin 20 years ago. You can spew your constant stream of bullshit, but the fact of the matter is, the American consumer had and has choices and they chose to buy too many imports. I have no doubt you are one of the offenders. All parts making outsourced? You're a lunatic. Ever hear of Delphi Corporation. You are FOS. Choices....the consumer chose imports, putting American manufacturers out of business. Thanks you cheap mofos.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Sad,but true. One day they will wake up to face the prospect of no jobs,no unemployment money,no food stamps,and no water,heat,electricity,no prescription drugs,and no medical care,and they will blame it on everybody but themselves. The thing is this won't be the end of it. They will turn mean and lash out at anybody and everybody they see that has something they don't have because it's "unfair" for them to do without. THIS is why the survivalists that live in the cities who have bought land outside of town and stocked up on drygoods and prepared themselves as best they can to survive lean times have been doing just that despite all the ridicule others have always thrown their way. They will have the last laugh even though in this case it will just be an expression because nobody is going to be laughing about the economic or living conditions in this country for at least a generation. In fact,I have seriously been considering starting a "The Coming Downfall" ping list so people can post threads about news stories that show the collapse building. Stories about civil unrest,unemployment figures,small business bankruptcies in their local areas that never make the national news,etc,etc,etc. I don't want to be morbid,but it might help some people if they can see it coming and make what preparations they can make so it will affect them less. It might even wake up a few people in time to affect the 2010 elections,although I honestly think things have already gone too far to be solved by any political means that doesn't involve hangings and firing squads. You are a part-time cop and I know you don't want to hear that,but get used to the idea. None of the rest of us really wanted to hear it,either.
If the plan is to move to another Nation then God Bless 'em. How does your first statement differ from your second? Whitey is a neo-con fascist that puts profits ahead of everything else. It's his religion,and like all religious true-believers,he is blind to any other viewpoint.
You are both wrong,and both of you are right. First off,workers should be valued for their job skills,difficulty,danger,and importance,and should be paid appropriately. A guy that operated a air tool and installs seat belts every day does NOT deserve the same pay as a dentist. You could train a monkey to do that job in about 30 days. On the other hand,some factory workers,like tool and die makers or machinists DO deserve high wages because of the skill and knowledge required to do their jobs. Secondy,we don't HAVE "Free Trade". What we have is unfair trade because we are letting inferior products to be imported into our country that destroys our own production of better quality products,and they pay little or no import taxes on their 3rd rate junk. On the other hand,OUR products going to those same countries have import tariffs so high that only a small percentage of the elites can even afford them. Cars are one example. I don't know what the balance is now,but back in the 60's if somebody in Japan wanted to buy a US car they had to pay the full US price,pay the shipping,and then pay a special 100% tax on that total. Meanwhile the Japanese cars coming into the US had very small import fees attached to them. In some countries we weren't even allowed to import ANYTHING make in that country,yet we allowed THEM to export their goods and products to the US with minimum fees. What we need is Free Trade that is FAIR TRADE. Fair Trade means we deal with other countries the same way they deal with us,and we do NOT allow the industries where we dominate the international market to be weakened by cheap and inferior imports. The problem is that at this late date I don't have the first bleeping clue how we could go about doing this because there is no longer any such thing as a "American Corporation". OR a "British Corporation","Japanese Corporation",etc,etc,etc. They are ALL international corporations,and "Corporate Citizens of the World". Fiat now owns Chysler. They also own what used to be Ford tractors. The French own Winchester and Remington,and they even own Nissan now. Ford owns a large percentage of Mazda. GM owns a large percentage of Izuzu. This is nothing news,either. GM owned Opel before WW-2 began,and were selling Opels to Germans and other Europeans and pocketing the profits. WW-2 came along and the Nazi's nationalized the Opel plant to make trucks for the German military,so quite naturally,these plants were bombed by the Allies during the war. Once the war was over GM SUED the US and British governments for damages because of the bombings,and WON! That's right ,the sucker US taxpayers paid to rebuilt Opel plants in Germany that were bombed during the war,while GM kept all the profits from the government contracts. Hell,GM even MADE profits from building bombers. Boeing just made a deal a few months back to build either complete jet aircraft or jet engines for the Chinese IN China,and this was singed off on by Obama even though it was Boy Jorge that worked to set the deal in motion. Is there ANYBODY out there that doesn't think the Chinese are going to use these tools and technology to improve their military jets? How are we to stop this at this late date? Close the US plants? They are already doing this themselves. Place increased taxes on them? How can we do this when only their corporate headquarters are located here,and their production is all in other countries?
That's only because they didn't face any foreign competition back then. The Japanese auto invasion hadn't began.
Really? Tell us about all the choices we have when it comes to buying even simple things like plumbing fittings,nails,tv sets,toasters,etc,etc,etc. The choice is to either buy Chinese junk or not buy anything.
:) No Pete, I am right and then right again. I never said anything about *free trade*. I was talking about free MARKET- where the market will pay what the market will bear. If a janitor is sought after and skilled and needed- they will make money. Free Market is about self motivation and responsibility. It is kinda American n'at. I never said anything about free trade. FWIW_ Capitalists will always figure out how to market their skill set to make themselves some money. What we need is a little more enterprise and American injunuity. One person should have a number of skill sets to market- so they can go with who will pay them the money they want and then be able to change with any changing tide in employment changes. When I was broke and couldn't get a job in my career path with the college degree I had- I became the best maid a person could find. I went to the huge houses that people couldn't afford and cleaned them- collecting up money those people couldn't really afford to give out. ;) And then when that was stable I became the something else.. and then the best something else. :) Americans need to learn a little self preservation and how to work- hard- and forget the idea that anyone in the government is going to make the world a fair and comfy place for them. The world is not fair. Life is not fair. Better to learn to deal with it and pay some bills.
That is not what I said. Bush's Un-American and Immoral Call for "National Service" http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5319 The 'collectivist' belief in the supremacy of the group over the individual is the foundation of the national-service ideology, which regards the individual as a servant to the nation. And the proponents of "duty" to the state, although they claim to be patriots, are espousing a view that is fundamentally un-American. Unions are Inherently UnAmerican — Teachers Union Rips Off Members www.americanconservatived...s-union-rips-off-members/ Imagine a fast food place that makes you buy a cheeseburger when you want a chicken sandwich. Oh, they don’t mind if you buy the chicken sandwich, too, mind you, but you are forced to purchase a cheeseburger every time you walk through the doors whether you want it or not. Seems a bit like a rip off, not to mention unAmerican, to force you to buy something you don’t want, doesn’t it? Well, this is unionism. Only unions prevent you from even having a job in your chosen profession in the first place to have the cash to buy your chicken sandwich unless you follow their rules. That’s forced labor for other’s benefit. We used to call that a form of enslavement… now it’s called union membership. Are Teachers’ Unions Un-American? 97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=31986 Thomas Jefferson once said, "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." In 2008 his words are more than an apt description of the relationship that many of our nation’s educators have with the teachers’ unions. The fact that public school teachers in most states have no choice but to pay tribute in the form of dues to the unions is certainly tyrannical and therefore un-American.
they join because they know as a group they hold much more power. Union members absolutely lose the individual right to negotiate with their employer on a one on one basis, as an individual. And how is this power derived? In a labor market, individuals negotiate, groups coerce. I recently (less than 2 months ago) had a union rep tell me face to face, in a meeting of about 16 people, that people would get hurt and our building would burn down. This meeting happened to be in Illinois. I looked him in the eye and told him that union members can get smoked just like anyone else and union halls are just as flammable as any other structure. The meeting was recessed and when we came back that rep was no longer at the table. The company I work for is non union, that's why I accepted the position. I deal with union reps and workers a lot and they will, by force if necessary, try to keep other American citizens from even having a job in their chosen professions, much less working in their 'territories'. They are thugs by the very definition of the word. They also force a member to pay dues, that end up pushing a political agenda that the majority are opposed to. That is absolutely unAmerican.
BTW, they didn't recess the meeting until after they heard my response. They allowed his statement to stand, long enough to hear my reply. They sanctioned and condoned his actions and his statement and I have no doubt that his line was scripted. I showed them that they could not intimidate me or my company and didn't budge, and we now have union and non union workers on the same site. They tried to push out my guys, fellow American citizens, through intimidation and coercion. And THEY work for US!
The American economy started 215 years ago, and the nation was built fro the ground up on tariffs. Sorry, that is a fact. The Delphi Corporation has 146,000 employees, only 18,000 work in America; it has several plants in Brazil, China and Mexico. Delphi had to close or sell 21 of it's 29 plants in America because those plants simply cannot keep up with companies who outsource to the third world. They were killed by free trade. IF we had proper tariffs, foreign goods would have been priced out of market and the jobs would have stayed here. Instead they are shipped off to China and Brazil.
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With parts assembled elsewhere.
You'll notice I wrote "Unions used to protect the worker." Not so much these days.
(me)My Buick was assembled in Canada. My Subaru was assembled in Indiana. I think you missed my point mel. My "American vehicle", a buick, was not assembled in the United States from parts assembled overseas. My "American vehicle" was assembled in Canada. My "Japanese vehicle" was assembled in the United States. There are no more "American" car companies. There are no more "Japanese" car companies. They're all "international" car companies. The NWO, as far as vehicles are concerned, is here.
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You chose to support it with your purchases.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Americans preferred to buy cheap imports thus driving US manufacturers out of business or off shore. No one was forced to buy Jap and German cars, Jap electronics or Taiwanese dry goods. Had no one bought there would have been no market. I still refuse to buy cheap imports. Though fighting the tide is nearly impossible as even Pendleton and Filson have been forced to outsource manufacturing to be competetive. Thank you, all you fookin cheap bastards that bought, buy and support cheap import manufacturers!!! You brought unemployment and outsourcing yourselves, you fookin morons!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
They were killed because fookin cheap bastards like you didn't want to pay the price for American labor produced products. You made the choice to kill American manufacturing! Now you reap the resulting outsourcing and unemployment. Fookin cheap skate morons.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
V-8 Chevrolet engines are now made in Mexico.
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=29893 ROMEO, Mich., Feb. 19, 2009 – After years of delivering power to two of Ford Motor Company’s iconic products, the Ford F-150 and Mustang, Romeo Engine Plant has reached a historic milestone – the production of its 10 millionth engine. The 10 millionth engine, a 4.6 liter 3-valve V-8, will be shipped to AutoAlliance International in Flat Rock, Mich., to be installed in a new 2010 Mustang GT.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Nice theory,but like most theories it just doesn't hold up in the real world. In the real world workers get paid what the job is worth,and the worlds best janitor is not going to get paid any more than average janitors in his or her area of the country. The job is a low-skill job that requires a minimum of intelligence,skills,or training,and a janitor just isn't going to get paid what a tool and die maker is paid,period.
The NWO, as far as vehicles are concerned, is here. BINGO! They are all "Corporate Citizens of the World".
I didn't. I still buy American when I have a choice,even if I have to pay slightly more. I no longer even have that option in most cases. For example,I just bought a Quincy 2-stage industrial air compressor. It was made in Quincy,Illinois. Made from parts made in America,not assembled in America out of foreign-made parts. I may be wrong,but I think it is the only air compressors made for consumers that is still made in the US. This wasn't entirely unselfish on my part. The Campbell-Hausfeld 2-stage air compressor that is comparable has a projected pump life of 10,000 hours. The pump on my Quincy is rated to last 50,000 hours. Since I am not running a business where the air compressor will be used 40 hours a week (40 hours a month would be closer,and probably not that often),the 10,000 hour one would last longer than I will,but I paid the extra money and bought the one made in the USA anyhow. Will I pay (for example) $6,000 to $8000 for a car lift made in the USA if I can find a comparable one not built in the USA for $2000? No,I won't. And didn't. Especially when neither of the two USA manufacturers I found producing them even bothered to return my phone calls or emails with a price. This despite in one case calling the one guy 3 times on the same day and leaving messages with his secretary,who told me he was the only one authorized to give out prices. Only a insane man would agree to buy something without knowing what it will cost,including shipping. If this makes me a bad guy,so be it. I do what I can do within my means,but am under no illusions that I am going to save the country with my nickel and dime purchases.
Ok,now tell me how many of those Ford 4.6 engines get put into Chevrolets.
Know what's sad sneakypete? A lot of the useful idiots really BELIEVE that if we all become dependent on each other, there will be sunshine and lollypops and rainbows everywhere. If my leg were dependent on my arm for survival, my leg would die if I lost my arm. Know what I mean?
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Mine are made in my garage. ;-)
Hmmm.. Pete, It is absolutely true. Supply and demand is the way the world works. Socialists just try to get around it , because they ain't got nothing that nobody wants to pay money for- so they resort to manipulations.
Absolutely. And they ain't even lying when they claim it will be a end to war. You don't declare war on yourself.
Mine are made in my garage. ;-) Not unless you have a foundry,boring mills,lathes,etc,etc,etc.
You mean they are free. To move as desired?
----------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately that attitude by the American consumer 50 years ago is what precipitated the demise of US manufacturing.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
DUH....Ford ISN"T GM.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
I would like to have a maid, but I can't afford a legal beautiful, blue-eyed blonde, so I go without.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
To move as desired? here's one of the useful idiots I told you about sneakypete. The ones who think GM should be "free" get my money through taxes, then be "free" to move wherever they want.
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No, the jobs and products were gone once free trade was enacted. It was pushed by companies so once the barriers were lifted they could move without the consequences of tariffs. So are you a fooker who supports free trade or a fooker who supports fair trade?
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There's a reason.......The Bryan Times - Apr 3, 1975 Import car sales set new record. One in five new car sales are imports.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
You, Thor and all the rest of the consumers who bought foreign instead of US manufactured are responsible for the demise of the US manufacturing sector. That you don't want to shoulder the blame is entirely understandable. You're fookin cowards from the word go. What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Buy American, fookin moron!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
I understand why people think you're yukon, what with the continous stream of retarded posts. You're right up there with him. And luberator.
Good. You're another fookin, dummy, teabagger, biffy. Do you dine on balls constantly?
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I was trying to not be so moribund but yes...the forecast is the opposite of sunny and warm....just wait til the idiot regime "leader" gets 2010 under his skirt......I won't be surprised to see some things out of hand by 2011 as the natives are going to be more than restless I bet. I'll probably start to show it's side with another idiot Tim McVeigh clownish action...and then it'll be interesting to see who jumps on which bandwagon.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
Chuckles......hadn't thought of that one yet:)
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
The perversion of their once more noble mission started probably back before I was born...
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
Your denials are weak and fatuous.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
You mean they are free. To move as desired? That's the way a fascist "One Worlder" would see it that cares nothing about country and everything about self.
Unfortunately that attitude by the American consumer 50 years ago is what precipitated the demise of US manufacturing. BullBush! If you are trying to make the claim you only buy American made products,you are a liar,and if you are trying to lump me in with the internationalists and others who only care about price and care nothing about country,you are a idiot.
DUH....Ford ISN"T GM. No kidding? Odd that you noticed this now,and didn't notice we were talking about Chevrolets when you broke in with the comment about Ford engines.
Absolutely! Whitey used to live up Boy Jorge's ass,and I have no doubt he will be making his accommodations with Bubba Barry as soon as he figures out the economic plan is the same. You watch,he and those like him will be the pigs squealing the loudest when the planned crash happens on Wall Street,and his stocks are suddenly worthless and the dividend checks quit coming in.
Car companies don't make clothes,plumbing fixtures,televisions,toasters,coffee pots,nails,watches,etc,etc,etc.
The morons are people who still think that is possible. Even the "I support our troops" magnets and decals you see on people's cars are made in Asia.
I'm going to be mildly surprised if it takes that long,and going to be totally shocked if it's not in full roar before 2012. The money just isn't there to meet the obligations government already has (SS,military and civil service retirements,leo grants,welfare,food stamps,etc,etc,etc),and by 2012 they won't even be able to pretend that it is. I'll probably start to show it's side with another idiot Tim McVeigh clownish action... I agree. White people are getting fed up,and the number of them living on the fringe when it comes to financial stability and even mental stability is increasing exponentially every month. One thing I have been trying to warn people about for years and keep getting ridicule for are my statements that blacks and browns talk shit about the white man being the debbil,and most not even having the first freaking clue about how true that is once you get him pissed off to the point where he's ready to fight. The white man,by nature seems to be slower to anger than blacks or browns,and too many blacks and browns seem to think this means the white man is some sort of punk that can be pushed around at will and will never fight back. This people are due to suffer a shock of biblical proportions if things really do go all to hell. The white man has ALWAYS been a minority of the worlds population,yet he ended up controlling almost the whole world. This didn't happen because he was a swell dancer that believed group hugs were the solution to people problems. I think most blacks may realize this at one level or another,except for the ghetto rats whose whole education came from the various Rev-Runs and rap recordings. The ones who are due to get a shock are the browns of the LaRaza type. Things may not work out for them exactly like they think when they start their revolution to take over the southwest and kill off all the whites. I'm thinking a LOT of people are going to be surprised,and not all of them are going to be of the ghetto rat economic level. I think there are a awful lot of middle-class blacks and browns out there that are going to side with the whites,and fight for restoration of order and the Constitution along with American sovereignty. You just never hear about these people because they don't fit in with the stereotype that the media loves to promote. The media make their money by promoting and pushing controversy. That gets people to pay attention to what they are saying,and advertisers buy time or space from the media outlets that draw the attention. Anybody that thinks the middle class blacks and browns that have worked hard their whole lives to get away from the ghetto rats are going to suddenly embrace them and their ideas of how the country should be ran is a fool. The only ones who will support them are the various Rev-Runs and "community organizers and leaders" who have gotten wealthy from pushing racism and hatred of the whites,and these people ain't going to be hanging around long because they will soon be running for their lives to prevent actual hangings when even their followers turn on them. Which leads us to the wealthy leftists who are going to be the most shocked of all. The university/professor crowd,and the trust fund Red Diaper babies. The good news here is these people really ARE total fools,and most likely not even smart enough to run and hide. Their wealth and positions have always protected them in the past,and the non-Jewish ones will be easy to catch. The Jewish ones will be the first to disappear for foreign lands where they will be safe. They have been through this before,genetically and historically speaking.
And those are the ones that I'll delight in their travail. Burnt to the ground is better than they deserve. Merry Christmas BTW Pete:):)
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
And those are the ones that I'll delight in their travail. I'll even delight in their travel,which is what I thought you had written at first. As long as their travel is a short distance on a short rope,and straight down,that is. Merry Christmas BTW Pete:):) I wish that for you,but it's too late for me. One of the men I admired most in life died Wednesday. I posted a thread about his life and his death.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009)
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I'll be damned! I never knew that,Fred. Thanks!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009)
I suspect it is going to irritate some people.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009)
Ya think? LOL. The truth does that to some people. (edit) You're screwing with Goldi's girl. I expect to see you here more often in the future, if you catch my drift.
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Did you see the year? It is much worse now. US consumers started buying imported merchandise not because there weren't US manufactured products, but because the imports were cheaper, driving US businesses to unprofitibility or bankruptcy.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
if you are trying to lump me in with the internationalists I always bought US manufactured products. We still have most of what we bought because the quality held up through use and time. I've got Filson and Pendleton clothing that I've been wearing for 20 or more years. Russell boots resoled two or three times. Fishing and hunting gear, some passed down from my father, boats, motors, trailers, vehicles, motorhomes.....all manufactured right here in the USA! I was willing to pay the extra amount some products cost in the interest of keeping my friends, neighbors and countrymen employed. I don't know where you got the idea.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Posted as FYI that there are still manufacturers in the US.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Well people can continue to buy more imported products and drive all manufacturing from the US.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Unlike you I let reality intrude. Where were your tv sets made? Your tires? Your cell phone? Your coffee pot?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009)
Where were your tv sets made? Your tires? Your cell phone? Your coffee pot? Oh really? Yet you somehow thought that I was suggesting Ford US manufactured engines were being installed in GM vehicles? I still have the Curtis-Mathes TV, manufactured in the US, that I purchased decades ago. Though I watch little TV, I've never needed to have it repaired. My coffee pots are both US manufactured stainless steel Farberwares which I've owned for years. My first "cellphone" was a Motorola "brick". As far as I've been able to determine, there are presently no US manufactured cellphones.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
"Man" you have officially jumped the shark. What are you? Mumbling MORON aka "moderate mammal"/"keith" mod 2? Pitiful.
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Shouldn't you post some pictures of Governor Palin kissing McInsane also "keith"mod 2? Pitiful.
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No,retard. You wrote that Ford manufactured engines in the US to counter my claim that GM's V-8's are now made in Mexico. BTW,Ford also has a lot of parts made in Mexico,and their wiring harnesses are all made in Canada.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009)
Why are you mad at me for quoting your Goddess? You should be thrilled that her pearls of wisdom are being spread far and wide.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009)
Are there any out there? Is she standing or on her knees?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009)
Gee "keith" mod 2, who said that I was "angry"? I said that YOU had "jumped the shark" "keith" mod 2. LOL! Unlike simpletons such as YOU "keith" mod 2, I'm not looking for national salvation from any human, esp any POLITICIAN. I like Governor Palin because of what she has actually DONE, something a paulTARD such as you would have absolutely zero experience with, even given his DECADES in the CONgress. What really makes me laugh at you PDS droids is what your attacks do for her. You HELP her "keith" mod 2, while you are trying to hurt her, you credulous PDS insane bitter fool. YOU are pitiful. But FUNNY! LOL!
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Gee I don't know "keith" mod 2. Your prototype is the expert on such matters. Maybe you should get mumbling moron to share some of his "tricks" with you "keith" mod 2? Although to be fair, mumbling moron seems alot more interested in queers than heterosexuals. LOL! YOU are pitiful "keith" mod 2.
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I saw that..... a good man gone fairly young:(
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
That's an icky one and not going to be easy for palin to live down...along with her path to citizenship crap.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
What makes ME laugh is your defense of her after she has said "I adore John McCain".
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
It was the final straw for me. She was under no real obligation to praise him so highly,but she did anyhow. I will not vote for anybody that says they "Adore John McClain and will support him 100%".
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
LOL! Hey "keith" mod 2, up till now I haven't said a F ing word about what you say that she has said. Unlike self declared ubermensch such as you, most Americans do honor McInsane's service. I do, although I despise him in every other way. But I understand that sort of thinking is way above your pay grade. You are obviously incapable of thinking outside of boolean constraints "keith" mod 2.
Esse Quam Videri.
Yeah,cause unlike you,my mind is so closed,right?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
sneakypete, this doesn't sound like the LP Mad Dog. Next time you're at LP, can you ask that Mad Dog if he's LF's Mad Dog?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog) I don't know or F ing care.
Done.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Thank you. I saw Mad Dog's reply there at LP. I don't post at LP. One can't register at LP with a web-based e-mail account.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog) I don't know or F ing care.
You claimed there was no choice in buying US manufactured vehicles. That's why I posted the information about the Ford manufactured engines. Well my Ford's engines are US manufactured. You admitted to buying one manufactured in Mexico.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
You post from a library? What are you afraid of, chipmunk?
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
And I still make that claim. Many Ford parts are made in Mexico,and all Ford wiring harnesses are made in Canada. Well my Ford's engines are US manufactured. You admitted to buying one manufactured in Mexico. No,I didn't. I bought a CHEVROLET,and IT was made in Mexico. The whole car.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That's even worse!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
(dickhead) You post from a library? What are you afraid of, chipmunk? Nothing. If it ain't a big deal, go tell LP to let posters use a web based e-mail account to register. Why do you suppose LP won't allow web based e-mails accounts to register? What's LP afraid of?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog) I don't know or F ing care.
I have no idea and I could give a shit even less. Why don't you get a regular fookin account? What are you afraid of?
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Tell LP to allow web-based email accounts to register, and I'll get one. Your argument is with LP, not me. Nothing. WHY DOES LP NOT ALLOW WEB-BASED E-MAIL ACCOUNTS? What's LP afraid of? That doesn't surprise me.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog) I don't know or F ing care.
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#2. To: WhiteSands (#0)
Ford Motor Co. says it is offering buyout and early retirement incentives to all of its 41,000 U.S. hourly workers to further reduce its factory work force.
#3. To: sneakypete (#2)
Or at least shut down production in the US.
#4. To: e_type_jag (#3)
Or at least shut down production in the US.
#5. To: WhiteSands (#1)
If the plan is doing a "Circuit City" by replacing high paid with new low paid this sucks.
#6. To: WhiteSands (#0)
(Edited)
#7. To: diva betsy ross (#6)
#8. To: diva betsy ross (#6)
Kill off the Union, because their use is long, long gone, and lets get back to a free market.
#9. To: Bickus Dickus (#8)
#10. To: diva betsy ross (#9)
The Unions there killed the Auto makers.
#11. To: Bickus Dickus (#10)
#12. To: diva betsy ross (#11)
Who were threatened and harassed and bullied.
#13. To: Bickus Dickus (#12)
#14. To: diva betsy ross (#9)
#15. To: diva betsy ross (#13)
#16. To: Bickus Dickus (#15)
#17. To: Thor (#14)
(Edited)
#18. To: Fred Mertz (#16)
Why does Whitey hate America?
#19. To: diva betsy ross (#17)
Unions are not good for business and therefore are not good for paychecks and therefore are not good for employment
#20. To: Bickus Dickus (#19)
#21. To: Bickus Dickus, diva betsy ross (#10)
The Unions there killed the Auto makers.
#22. To: diva betsy ross (#17)
#23. To: Thor (#22)
IT has to do with free trade.
#24. To: Ibluafartsky (#23)
#25. To: Thor (#24)
Bullshit, you don't have a choice
#26. To: Ibluafartsky (#25)
(Edited)
#27. To: Thor (#26)
No, you are the short sighted one.
#28. To: Ibluafartsky (#27)
#29. To: Thor (#28)
The fact is, you didn't disprove a single thing I said.
#30. To: Ibluafartsky (#29)
#31. To: Thor (#22)
#32. To: Thor (#30)
I know you have contempt for working Americans
#33. To: Ibluafartsky (#32)
(Edited)
#34. To: Thor (#33)
No, the multinational corporations and the corrupt politicians of the Democrat and Republican ilk who line their pockets with their lobbies' dollars are to blame. They eliminated tariffs, thereby eliminating protections against third world labor on American jobs and wages.
#35. To: Thor (#33)
I think I have hit a nerve.
#36. To: Ibluafartsky (#32)
I'm not holding your hand!
#37. To: Ibluafartsky (#35)
#38. To: We The People (#34)
thereby eliminating protections against third world labor on American jobs and wages.
#39. To: Thor (#37)
Wow, now the American worker is a cheap asshole.
#40. To: Ibluafartsky (#38)
Protections? You as a consumer need protections?
#41. To: We The People (#36)
You guessed it.......YUKON!
#42. To: Ibluafartsky (#41)
#43. To: We The People (#40)
That's not even what was said,
#44. To: Ibluafartsky (#39)
#45. To: We The People (#42)
LMAO!
#46. To: Thor (#44)
You simply raen't(sic) living in reality.
#47. To: Ibluafartsky (#46)
#48. To: Ibluafartsky (#45)
Impossible. You and Manchelle are never going to accomplish that, weepy!
#49. To: Thor (#47)
No, the fact is,
#50. To: We The People (#48)
you live in Wonderland.
#51. To: We The People, Thor (#34)
Click if you want the truth. Click here for an important video message
#52. To: mel (#51)
#53. To: mel (#51)
even American vehicles are made with parts assembled overseas these days.
#54. To: Wood_Chopper, mel (#53)
My Subaru was assembled in Indiana.
#55. To: Ibluafartsky (#54)
Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI), the maker of Subaru automobiles, is a leading manufacturer in Japan
#56. To: Wood_Chopper (#55)
Mine was built in the USA.
#57. To: sneakypete (#4)
At this point we HAVE to stop and wonder just exactly what it will take for the sheeple to wake up and realize they have been robbed.
#58. To: We The People (#52)
I am absolutely anti union. This country was founded upon the rights of the individual. Not rights granted or coerced as part of a group.
#59. To: e_type_jag (#58)
Gone are the days where unions guarded against sweatshops and locked doors from the outside......now it's all about greed within the worker drones (which leads to fork lift driver "careers" ending up at burdened retirement rates exceeding 50+ USD) and self importance amongst the shiftless union thug leaders.
#60. To: e_type_jag (#59)
#61. To: Ibluafartsky (#49)
#62. To: We The People (#52)
#63. To: Thor, We The People (#62)
bribes incentives to the individual. (see:healthcare legislation)
#64. To: Thor (#61)
Putting on caps and repetition doesn't make you any less wrong.
#65. To: Ibluafartsky (#64)
#66. To: Thor (#65)
how is a consumer going to buy an "american made" car when all the American brands outsourced part making overseas?
#67. To: e_type_jag (#57)
Pete....the lemmings just won't ever wake up.
#68. To: Bickus Dickus, White Sands (#5)
If the plan is doing a "Circuit City" by replacing high paid with new low paid this sucks.
#69. To: Thor, diva betsy ross (#7)
#70. To: Thor (#22)
I don't care how old you are, your version of events simply doesn't coincide with the facts that GM had it's highest rates of profitability in the 60s when unionization was at it's highest rates.
#71. To: Ibluafartsky (#29)
You're so fookin stupid you can't comprehend the simple concept of choice.
#72. To: sneakypete (#69)
#73. To: Thor (#62)
Unions are certainly based on collective interests, but by your definition any collective body is socialist.
#74. To: Thor (#62)
(Edited)
Union members don't lose any rights,
#75. To: Thor (#74)
(Edited)
#76. To: Ibluafartsky (#66)
#77. To: Wood_Chopper (#55)
Mine was built in the USA.
Click if you want the truth. Click here for an important video message
#78. To: e_type_jag, We The People (#58)
Click if you want the truth. Click here for an important video message
#79. To: mel (#53)
(mel)even American vehicles are made with parts assembled overseas these days.
#80. To: Wood_Chopper (#79)
The NWO, as far as vehicles are concerned, is here.
#81. To: sneakypete, All (#71)
Really? Tell us about all the choices we have when it comes to buying even simple things like plumbing fittings,nails,tv sets,toasters,etc,etc,etc.
#82. To: Thor (#76)
They were killed by free trade.
#83. To: mel (#51)
I prefer Chevy over Ford. Unfortunatly, even American vehicles are made with parts assembled overseas these days.
#84. To: sneakypete, mel (#83)
#85. To: diva betsy ross (#72)
If a janitor is sought after and skilled and needed- they will make money. Free Market is about self motivation and responsibility. It is kinda American n'at.
#86. To: Wood_Chopper (#79)
They're all "international" car companies.
#87. To: Ibluafartsky (#81)
Americans preferred to buy cheap imports thus driving US manufacturers out of business or off shore.
#88. To: Ibluafartsky (#84)
The 10 millionth engine, a 4.6 liter 3-valve V-8, will be shipped to AutoAlliance International in Flat Rock, Mich., to be installed in a new 2010 Mustang GT.
#89. To: sneakypete (#86)
BINGO! They are all "Corporate Citizens of the World".
#90. To: sneakypete (#83)
V-8 Chevrolet engines are now made in Mexico.
Click if you want the truth. Click here for an important video message
#91. To: sneakypete (#85)
#92. To: Wood_Chopper (#89)
A lot of the useful idiots really BELIEVE that if we all become dependent on each other, there will be sunshine and lollypops and rainbows everywhere.
#93. To: mel (#90)
V-8 Chevrolet engines are now made in Mexico.
#94. To: sneakypete (#86)
BINGO! They are all "Corporate Citizens of the World".
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#95. To: sneakypete (#87)
If this makes me a bad guy,so be it. I do what I can do within my means,but am under no illusions that I am going to save the country with my nickel and dime purchases.
#96. To: sneakypete (#88)
Ok,now tell me how many of those Ford 4.6 engines get put into Chevrolets.
#97. To: mel (#90)
Mine are made in my garage. ;-)
#98. To: WhiteSands, sneakypete (#94)
You mean they are free.
#99. To: Ibluafartsky (#95)
Unfortunately that attitude by the American consumer 50 years ago is what precipitated the demise of US manufacturing.
#100. To: Ibluafartsky (#82)
fookin
#101. To: sneakypete (#87)
I didn't. I still buy American when I have a choice,even if I have to pay slightly more. I no longer even have that option in most cases.
#102. To: Wood_Chopper, Thor, All (#99)
Incorrect.
#103. To: Thor (#100)
#104. To: Ibluafartsky (#102)
Chasing Nuts Around the Interweb for Years
#105. To: Biff Tannen (#104)
I understand
#106. To: Ibluafartsky (#102)
You, Thor and all the rest of the consumers who bought foreign instead of US manufactured are responsible for the demise of the US manufacturing sector.
#107. To: sneakypete (#67)
I honestly think things have already gone too far to be solved by any political means that doesn't involve hangings and firing squads. You are a part-time cop and I know you don't want to hear that,but get used to the idea. None of the rest of us really wanted to hear it,either.
#108. To: Ibluafartsky (#105)
Do you dine on balls constantly?
#109. To: mel (#78)
You'll notice I wrote "Unions used to protect the worker." Not so much these days.
#110. To: Wood_Chopper (#106)
Incorrect.
#111. To: WhiteSands (#94)
BINGO! They are all "Corporate Citizens of the World".
#112. To: Ibluafartsky (#95)
If this makes me a bad guy,so be it. I do what I can do within my means,but am under no illusions that I am going to save the country with my nickel and dime purchases.
#113. To: Ibluafartsky (#96)
Ok,now tell me how many of those Ford 4.6 engines get put into Chevrolets.
#114. To: Wood_Chopper (#98)
here's one of the useful idiots I told you about sneakypete.
#115. To: Ibluafartsky (#101)
Import car sales set new record. One in five new car sales are imports.
#116. To: Ibluafartsky (#103)
Buy American, fookin moron!
#117. To: e_type_jag (#107)
.I won't be surprised to see some things out of hand by 2011 as the natives are going to be more than restless I bet.
and then it'll be interesting to see who jumps on which bandwagon. <<
#118. To: sneakypete (#117)
Which leads us to the wealthy leftists who are going to be the most shocked of all. The university/professor crowd,and the trust fund Red Diaper babies.
#119. To: e_type_jag (#118)
Which leads us to the wealthy leftists who are going to be the most shocked of all. The university/professor crowd,and the trust fund Red Diaper babies.
#120. To: sneakypete (#119)
#121. To: sneakypete (#119)
#122. To: sneakypete (#119)
#123. To: Fred Mertz (#120)
He participated in two movies concerning airborne and special operations missions, both featuring John Wayne. He made a parachute jump on the filming of The Longest Day and as an Airborne Instructor in The Green Berets.
#124. To: Wood_Chopper (#121)
Nice tagline.
#125. To: sneakypete (#124)
(Edited)
I suspect it is going to irritate some people.
#126. To: sneakypete (#115)
Car companies don't make clothes,plumbing fixtures,televisions,toasters,coffee pots,nails,watches,etc,etc,etc.
#127. To: sneakypete (#112)
BullBush! If you are trying to make the claim you only buy American made products,you are a liar,
#128. To: sneakypete (#113)
No kidding? Odd that you noticed this now,and didn't notice we were talking about Chevrolets when you broke in with the comment about Ford engines.
#129. To: sneakypete (#116)
The morons are people who still think that is possible.
#130. To: Ibluafartsky (#127)
I don't know where you got the idea.
#131. To: sneakypete (#130)
Unlike you I let reality intrude.
#132. To: sneakypete (#130)
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009)
#133. To: sneakypete (#130)
#134. To: Ibluafartsky (#131)
Oh really? Yet you somehow thought that I was suggesting Ford US manufactured engines were being installed in GM vehicles?
#135. To: Mad Dog (#132)
What are you?
#136. To: Mad Dog (#133)
Shouldn't you post some pictures of Governor Palin kissing McInsane also "keith"mod 2?
#137. To: sneakypete (#135)
#138. To: sneakypete, mumbling MORON aka keith aka moderate mammal (#136)
#139. To: sneakypete (#119)
I wish that for you,but it's too late for me. One of the men I admired most in life died Wednesday. I posted a thread about his life and his death.
#140. To: sneakypete (#136)
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009)
#141. To: Mad Dog (#137)
What really makes me laugh at you PDS droids is what your attacks do for her.
#142. To: e_type_jag (#140)
That's an icky one and not going to be easy for palin to live down...along with her path to citizenship crap.
#143. To: sneakypete (#141)
#144. To: Mad Dog (#143)
But I understand that sort of thinking is way above your pay grade. You are obviously incapable of thinking outside of boolean constraints "keith" mod 2.
#145. To: Mad Dog, sneakypete (#143)
#146. To: Wood_Chopper (#145)
Next time you're at LP, can you ask that Mad Dog if he's LF's Mad Dog?
#147. To: sneakypete (#146)
(Edited)
#148. To: sneakypete (#134)
You wrote that Ford manufactured engines in the US to counter my claim that GM's V-8's are now made in Mexico.
#149. To: Wood_Chopper (#147)
One can't register at LP with a web-based e-mail account.
#150. To: Ibluafartsky (#148)
You claimed there was no choice in buying US manufactured vehicles.
#151. To: sneakypete (#150)
No,I didn't. I bought a CHEVROLET,and IT was made in Mexico. The whole car.
#152. To: Ibluafartsky (#149)
(Wood_Chopper)One can't register at LP with a web-based e-mail account.
#153. To: Wood_Chopper (#152)
Why do you suppose LP won't allow web based e-mails accounts to register?
#154. To: Ibluafartsky (#153)
Why don't you get a regular fookin account?
What are you afraid of?
I have no idea and I could give a shit even less.
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