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What Happens Inside Gaza’s Secret Tunnels? | Unpacked Hamas Torture Bodycam Footage: "These Monsters Filmed it All" | IDF Warfighter Doron Keidar, Ep. 225 Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Ford Offers Buyouts to All Factory Workers Source: cbsnews.com URL Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009 ... tm_source=feedburner&utm_mediu Published: Dec 21, 2009 Author: cbsnews.com Post Date: 2009-12-21 18:45:28 by WhiteSands Keywords: Ford, Jobs, Taxes,OSHA,Carbon Taxes Views: 13417 Comments: 154 (AP) Ford Motor Co. says it is offering buyout and early retirement incentives to all of its 41,000 U.S. hourly workers to further reduce its factory work force. Company spokesman Mark Truby said Ford still has too many factory workers for its current sales levels. He would not say how many workers the company wants to leave but said Ford is working that out with the United Auto Workers union. Ford currently has about 600 blue-collar workers laid off but available for recall. The buyout offer includes $50,000 cash plus a $25,000 car voucher or $20,000 more in cash. The retirement package includes $40,000 cash for skilled trades and $20,000 for production workers. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 85. #6. To: WhiteSands (#0) (Edited) The only way Ford will survive is to get rid of all Union members. I can't blame them one bit. Kill off the Union, because their use is long, long gone, and lets get back to a free market. diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-22   14:20:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: diva betsy ross (#6) I disagree. We should kill the global free market, kill free trade. Free Trade is responsible for the decline of the American auto industry. Once you eliminated tariffs, you eliminated the protection of American wages and jobs. You are corect. In a free global market, it is impossible for American workers to have good wages and benefits when it is so much more profitable to ship off shore and pay mexicans, brazilians, and chinese fractions of what they paid Americans. To protect jobs in America, you need to make it unprofitable to go elsewhere. That is what tariffs do. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   14:25:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #69. To: Thor, diva betsy ross (#7) You are both wrong,and both of you are right. First off,workers should be valued for their job skills,difficulty,danger,and importance,and should be paid appropriately. A guy that operated a air tool and installs seat belts every day does NOT deserve the same pay as a dentist. You could train a monkey to do that job in about 30 days. On the other hand,some factory workers,like tool and die makers or machinists DO deserve high wages because of the skill and knowledge required to do their jobs. Secondy,we don't HAVE "Free Trade". What we have is unfair trade because we are letting inferior products to be imported into our country that destroys our own production of better quality products,and they pay little or no import taxes on their 3rd rate junk. On the other hand,OUR products going to those same countries have import tariffs so high that only a small percentage of the elites can even afford them. Cars are one example. I don't know what the balance is now,but back in the 60's if somebody in Japan wanted to buy a US car they had to pay the full US price,pay the shipping,and then pay a special 100% tax on that total. Meanwhile the Japanese cars coming into the US had very small import fees attached to them. In some countries we weren't even allowed to import ANYTHING make in that country,yet we allowed THEM to export their goods and products to the US with minimum fees. What we need is Free Trade that is FAIR TRADE. Fair Trade means we deal with other countries the same way they deal with us,and we do NOT allow the industries where we dominate the international market to be weakened by cheap and inferior imports. The problem is that at this late date I don't have the first bleeping clue how we could go about doing this because there is no longer any such thing as a "American Corporation". OR a "British Corporation","Japanese Corporation",etc,etc,etc. They are ALL international corporations,and "Corporate Citizens of the World". Fiat now owns Chysler. They also own what used to be Ford tractors. The French own Winchester and Remington,and they even own Nissan now. Ford owns a large percentage of Mazda. GM owns a large percentage of Izuzu. This is nothing news,either. GM owned Opel before WW-2 began,and were selling Opels to Germans and other Europeans and pocketing the profits. WW-2 came along and the Nazi's nationalized the Opel plant to make trucks for the German military,so quite naturally,these plants were bombed by the Allies during the war. Once the war was over GM SUED the US and British governments for damages because of the bombings,and WON! That's right ,the sucker US taxpayers paid to rebuilt Opel plants in Germany that were bombed during the war,while GM kept all the profits from the government contracts. Hell,GM even MADE profits from building bombers. Boeing just made a deal a few months back to build either complete jet aircraft or jet engines for the Chinese IN China,and this was singed off on by Obama even though it was Boy Jorge that worked to set the deal in motion. Is there ANYBODY out there that doesn't think the Chinese are going to use these tools and technology to improve their military jets? How are we to stop this at this late date? Close the US plants? They are already doing this themselves. Place increased taxes on them? How can we do this when only their corporate headquarters are located here,and their production is all in other countries? sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-23   10:05:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #72. To: sneakypete (#69) :) No Pete, I am right and then right again. I never said anything about *free trade*. I was talking about free MARKET- where the market will pay what the market will bear. If a janitor is sought after and skilled and needed- they will make money. Free Market is about self motivation and responsibility. It is kinda American n'at. I never said anything about free trade. FWIW_ Capitalists will always figure out how to market their skill set to make themselves some money. What we need is a little more enterprise and American injunuity. One person should have a number of skill sets to market- so they can go with who will pay them the money they want and then be able to change with any changing tide in employment changes. When I was broke and couldn't get a job in my career path with the college degree I had- I became the best maid a person could find. I went to the huge houses that people couldn't afford and cleaned them- collecting up money those people couldn't really afford to give out. ;) And then when that was stable I became the something else.. and then the best something else. :) Americans need to learn a little self preservation and how to work- hard- and forget the idea that anyone in the government is going to make the world a fair and comfy place for them. The world is not fair. Life is not fair. Better to learn to deal with it and pay some bills. diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-23   10:45:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #85. To: diva betsy ross (#72) If a janitor is sought after and skilled and needed- they will make money. Free Market is about self motivation and responsibility. It is kinda American n'at. Nice theory,but like most theories it just doesn't hold up in the real world. In the real world workers get paid what the job is worth,and the worlds best janitor is not going to get paid any more than average janitors in his or her area of the country. The job is a low-skill job that requires a minimum of intelligence,skills,or training,and a janitor just isn't going to get paid what a tool and die maker is paid,period. sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-23   19:43:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 85. #91. To: sneakypete (#85) Hmmm.. Pete, It is absolutely true. Supply and demand is the way the world works. Socialists just try to get around it , because they ain't got nothing that nobody wants to pay money for- so they resort to manipulations. diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-23 21:20:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 85. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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