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Title: Ford Offers Buyouts to All Factory Workers
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Published: Dec 21, 2009
Author: cbsnews.com
Post Date: 2009-12-21 18:45:28 by WhiteSands
Keywords: Ford, Jobs, Taxes,OSHA,Carbon Taxes
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Comments: 154
(AP) Ford Motor Co. says it is offering buyout and early retirement incentives to all of its 41,000 U.S. hourly workers to further reduce its factory work force. Company spokesman Mark Truby said Ford still has too many factory workers for its current sales levels. He would not say how many workers the company wants to leave but said Ford is working that out with the United Auto Workers union. Ford currently has about 600 blue-collar workers laid off but available for recall. The buyout offer includes $50,000 cash plus a $25,000 car voucher or $20,000 more in cash. The retirement package includes $40,000 cash for skilled trades and $20,000 for production workers.
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#63. To: Thor, We The People (#62)
The problem is, any collective group can be infiltrated by the other side, especially with ______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
Your ignorance is astounding. Consumers have choices. You chose to support foreign manufacturers.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Your ignorance of economic and financial issues is astounding. One, how is a consumer going to buy an "american made" car when all the American brands outsourced part making overseas? The fact is, eliminating barriers made it much more profitable to have third world peons make the parts of your "American" ford. Secondly, there is no choice, the average american simply cannot afford to spend the extra 5000 dollars on a car whose parts were made in mexico but assembled in America to say a Toyota which is lower cost and lower maintenance. Since American Manufacturing has been outsourced, real wages have been stagnate since the 70s and in certain cases have gone down. They simply can't afford to splurge on a car that was mostly made in Mexico and will cost much more in maintenance. Not only did free traitors ship the products overseas, they shipped the income overseas. You have the cause and effect entirely wrong the jobs and products where shipped overseas once barriers were removed. Multinational Corporations lobbied for elimination of tariffs and once they got their wish they backed. And were not just talking about cars here, we are talking about clothes, tools, furniture, televisions, machinery, steel etc. Do you support or oppose free trade?
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
You have the cause and effect entirely wrong we are talking about clothes, tools, furniture, televisions, machinery, steel etc Look stupid, the American economy didn't just begin 20 years ago. You can spew your constant stream of bullshit, but the fact of the matter is, the American consumer had and has choices and they chose to buy too many imports. I have no doubt you are one of the offenders. All parts making outsourced? You're a lunatic. Ever hear of Delphi Corporation. You are FOS. Choices....the consumer chose imports, putting American manufacturers out of business. Thanks you cheap mofos.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Sad,but true. One day they will wake up to face the prospect of no jobs,no unemployment money,no food stamps,and no water,heat,electricity,no prescription drugs,and no medical care,and they will blame it on everybody but themselves. The thing is this won't be the end of it. They will turn mean and lash out at anybody and everybody they see that has something they don't have because it's "unfair" for them to do without. THIS is why the survivalists that live in the cities who have bought land outside of town and stocked up on drygoods and prepared themselves as best they can to survive lean times have been doing just that despite all the ridicule others have always thrown their way. They will have the last laugh even though in this case it will just be an expression because nobody is going to be laughing about the economic or living conditions in this country for at least a generation. In fact,I have seriously been considering starting a "The Coming Downfall" ping list so people can post threads about news stories that show the collapse building. Stories about civil unrest,unemployment figures,small business bankruptcies in their local areas that never make the national news,etc,etc,etc. I don't want to be morbid,but it might help some people if they can see it coming and make what preparations they can make so it will affect them less. It might even wake up a few people in time to affect the 2010 elections,although I honestly think things have already gone too far to be solved by any political means that doesn't involve hangings and firing squads. You are a part-time cop and I know you don't want to hear that,but get used to the idea. None of the rest of us really wanted to hear it,either.
If the plan is to move to another Nation then God Bless 'em. How does your first statement differ from your second? Whitey is a neo-con fascist that puts profits ahead of everything else. It's his religion,and like all religious true-believers,he is blind to any other viewpoint.
You are both wrong,and both of you are right. First off,workers should be valued for their job skills,difficulty,danger,and importance,and should be paid appropriately. A guy that operated a air tool and installs seat belts every day does NOT deserve the same pay as a dentist. You could train a monkey to do that job in about 30 days. On the other hand,some factory workers,like tool and die makers or machinists DO deserve high wages because of the skill and knowledge required to do their jobs. Secondy,we don't HAVE "Free Trade". What we have is unfair trade because we are letting inferior products to be imported into our country that destroys our own production of better quality products,and they pay little or no import taxes on their 3rd rate junk. On the other hand,OUR products going to those same countries have import tariffs so high that only a small percentage of the elites can even afford them. Cars are one example. I don't know what the balance is now,but back in the 60's if somebody in Japan wanted to buy a US car they had to pay the full US price,pay the shipping,and then pay a special 100% tax on that total. Meanwhile the Japanese cars coming into the US had very small import fees attached to them. In some countries we weren't even allowed to import ANYTHING make in that country,yet we allowed THEM to export their goods and products to the US with minimum fees. What we need is Free Trade that is FAIR TRADE. Fair Trade means we deal with other countries the same way they deal with us,and we do NOT allow the industries where we dominate the international market to be weakened by cheap and inferior imports. The problem is that at this late date I don't have the first bleeping clue how we could go about doing this because there is no longer any such thing as a "American Corporation". OR a "British Corporation","Japanese Corporation",etc,etc,etc. They are ALL international corporations,and "Corporate Citizens of the World". Fiat now owns Chysler. They also own what used to be Ford tractors. The French own Winchester and Remington,and they even own Nissan now. Ford owns a large percentage of Mazda. GM owns a large percentage of Izuzu. This is nothing news,either. GM owned Opel before WW-2 began,and were selling Opels to Germans and other Europeans and pocketing the profits. WW-2 came along and the Nazi's nationalized the Opel plant to make trucks for the German military,so quite naturally,these plants were bombed by the Allies during the war. Once the war was over GM SUED the US and British governments for damages because of the bombings,and WON! That's right ,the sucker US taxpayers paid to rebuilt Opel plants in Germany that were bombed during the war,while GM kept all the profits from the government contracts. Hell,GM even MADE profits from building bombers. Boeing just made a deal a few months back to build either complete jet aircraft or jet engines for the Chinese IN China,and this was singed off on by Obama even though it was Boy Jorge that worked to set the deal in motion. Is there ANYBODY out there that doesn't think the Chinese are going to use these tools and technology to improve their military jets? How are we to stop this at this late date? Close the US plants? They are already doing this themselves. Place increased taxes on them? How can we do this when only their corporate headquarters are located here,and their production is all in other countries?
That's only because they didn't face any foreign competition back then. The Japanese auto invasion hadn't began.
Really? Tell us about all the choices we have when it comes to buying even simple things like plumbing fittings,nails,tv sets,toasters,etc,etc,etc. The choice is to either buy Chinese junk or not buy anything.
:) No Pete, I am right and then right again. I never said anything about *free trade*. I was talking about free MARKET- where the market will pay what the market will bear. If a janitor is sought after and skilled and needed- they will make money. Free Market is about self motivation and responsibility. It is kinda American n'at. I never said anything about free trade. FWIW_ Capitalists will always figure out how to market their skill set to make themselves some money. What we need is a little more enterprise and American injunuity. One person should have a number of skill sets to market- so they can go with who will pay them the money they want and then be able to change with any changing tide in employment changes. When I was broke and couldn't get a job in my career path with the college degree I had- I became the best maid a person could find. I went to the huge houses that people couldn't afford and cleaned them- collecting up money those people couldn't really afford to give out. ;) And then when that was stable I became the something else.. and then the best something else. :) Americans need to learn a little self preservation and how to work- hard- and forget the idea that anyone in the government is going to make the world a fair and comfy place for them. The world is not fair. Life is not fair. Better to learn to deal with it and pay some bills.
That is not what I said. Bush's Un-American and Immoral Call for "National Service" http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5319 The 'collectivist' belief in the supremacy of the group over the individual is the foundation of the national-service ideology, which regards the individual as a servant to the nation. And the proponents of "duty" to the state, although they claim to be patriots, are espousing a view that is fundamentally un-American. Unions are Inherently UnAmerican — Teachers Union Rips Off Members www.americanconservatived...s-union-rips-off-members/ Imagine a fast food place that makes you buy a cheeseburger when you want a chicken sandwich. Oh, they don’t mind if you buy the chicken sandwich, too, mind you, but you are forced to purchase a cheeseburger every time you walk through the doors whether you want it or not. Seems a bit like a rip off, not to mention unAmerican, to force you to buy something you don’t want, doesn’t it? Well, this is unionism. Only unions prevent you from even having a job in your chosen profession in the first place to have the cash to buy your chicken sandwich unless you follow their rules. That’s forced labor for other’s benefit. We used to call that a form of enslavement… now it’s called union membership. Are Teachers’ Unions Un-American? 97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=31986 Thomas Jefferson once said, "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." In 2008 his words are more than an apt description of the relationship that many of our nation’s educators have with the teachers’ unions. The fact that public school teachers in most states have no choice but to pay tribute in the form of dues to the unions is certainly tyrannical and therefore un-American.
they join because they know as a group they hold much more power. Union members absolutely lose the individual right to negotiate with their employer on a one on one basis, as an individual. And how is this power derived? In a labor market, individuals negotiate, groups coerce. I recently (less than 2 months ago) had a union rep tell me face to face, in a meeting of about 16 people, that people would get hurt and our building would burn down. This meeting happened to be in Illinois. I looked him in the eye and told him that union members can get smoked just like anyone else and union halls are just as flammable as any other structure. The meeting was recessed and when we came back that rep was no longer at the table. The company I work for is non union, that's why I accepted the position. I deal with union reps and workers a lot and they will, by force if necessary, try to keep other American citizens from even having a job in their chosen professions, much less working in their 'territories'. They are thugs by the very definition of the word. They also force a member to pay dues, that end up pushing a political agenda that the majority are opposed to. That is absolutely unAmerican.
BTW, they didn't recess the meeting until after they heard my response. They allowed his statement to stand, long enough to hear my reply. They sanctioned and condoned his actions and his statement and I have no doubt that his line was scripted. I showed them that they could not intimidate me or my company and didn't budge, and we now have union and non union workers on the same site. They tried to push out my guys, fellow American citizens, through intimidation and coercion. And THEY work for US!
The American economy started 215 years ago, and the nation was built fro the ground up on tariffs. Sorry, that is a fact. The Delphi Corporation has 146,000 employees, only 18,000 work in America; it has several plants in Brazil, China and Mexico. Delphi had to close or sell 21 of it's 29 plants in America because those plants simply cannot keep up with companies who outsource to the third world. They were killed by free trade. IF we had proper tariffs, foreign goods would have been priced out of market and the jobs would have stayed here. Instead they are shipped off to China and Brazil.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
With parts assembled elsewhere.
You'll notice I wrote "Unions used to protect the worker." Not so much these days.
(me)My Buick was assembled in Canada. My Subaru was assembled in Indiana. I think you missed my point mel. My "American vehicle", a buick, was not assembled in the United States from parts assembled overseas. My "American vehicle" was assembled in Canada. My "Japanese vehicle" was assembled in the United States. There are no more "American" car companies. There are no more "Japanese" car companies. They're all "international" car companies. The NWO, as far as vehicles are concerned, is here.
______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
You chose to support it with your purchases.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Americans preferred to buy cheap imports thus driving US manufacturers out of business or off shore. No one was forced to buy Jap and German cars, Jap electronics or Taiwanese dry goods. Had no one bought there would have been no market. I still refuse to buy cheap imports. Though fighting the tide is nearly impossible as even Pendleton and Filson have been forced to outsource manufacturing to be competetive. Thank you, all you fookin cheap bastards that bought, buy and support cheap import manufacturers!!! You brought unemployment and outsourcing yourselves, you fookin morons!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
They were killed because fookin cheap bastards like you didn't want to pay the price for American labor produced products. You made the choice to kill American manufacturing! Now you reap the resulting outsourcing and unemployment. Fookin cheap skate morons.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
V-8 Chevrolet engines are now made in Mexico.
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=29893 ROMEO, Mich., Feb. 19, 2009 – After years of delivering power to two of Ford Motor Company’s iconic products, the Ford F-150 and Mustang, Romeo Engine Plant has reached a historic milestone – the production of its 10 millionth engine. The 10 millionth engine, a 4.6 liter 3-valve V-8, will be shipped to AutoAlliance International in Flat Rock, Mich., to be installed in a new 2010 Mustang GT.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Nice theory,but like most theories it just doesn't hold up in the real world. In the real world workers get paid what the job is worth,and the worlds best janitor is not going to get paid any more than average janitors in his or her area of the country. The job is a low-skill job that requires a minimum of intelligence,skills,or training,and a janitor just isn't going to get paid what a tool and die maker is paid,period.
The NWO, as far as vehicles are concerned, is here. BINGO! They are all "Corporate Citizens of the World".
I didn't. I still buy American when I have a choice,even if I have to pay slightly more. I no longer even have that option in most cases. For example,I just bought a Quincy 2-stage industrial air compressor. It was made in Quincy,Illinois. Made from parts made in America,not assembled in America out of foreign-made parts. I may be wrong,but I think it is the only air compressors made for consumers that is still made in the US. This wasn't entirely unselfish on my part. The Campbell-Hausfeld 2-stage air compressor that is comparable has a projected pump life of 10,000 hours. The pump on my Quincy is rated to last 50,000 hours. Since I am not running a business where the air compressor will be used 40 hours a week (40 hours a month would be closer,and probably not that often),the 10,000 hour one would last longer than I will,but I paid the extra money and bought the one made in the USA anyhow. Will I pay (for example) $6,000 to $8000 for a car lift made in the USA if I can find a comparable one not built in the USA for $2000? No,I won't. And didn't. Especially when neither of the two USA manufacturers I found producing them even bothered to return my phone calls or emails with a price. This despite in one case calling the one guy 3 times on the same day and leaving messages with his secretary,who told me he was the only one authorized to give out prices. Only a insane man would agree to buy something without knowing what it will cost,including shipping. If this makes me a bad guy,so be it. I do what I can do within my means,but am under no illusions that I am going to save the country with my nickel and dime purchases.
Ok,now tell me how many of those Ford 4.6 engines get put into Chevrolets.
Know what's sad sneakypete? A lot of the useful idiots really BELIEVE that if we all become dependent on each other, there will be sunshine and lollypops and rainbows everywhere. If my leg were dependent on my arm for survival, my leg would die if I lost my arm. Know what I mean?
______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
Mine are made in my garage. ;-)
Hmmm.. Pete, It is absolutely true. Supply and demand is the way the world works. Socialists just try to get around it , because they ain't got nothing that nobody wants to pay money for- so they resort to manipulations.
Absolutely. And they ain't even lying when they claim it will be a end to war. You don't declare war on yourself.
Mine are made in my garage. ;-) Not unless you have a foundry,boring mills,lathes,etc,etc,etc.
You mean they are free. To move as desired?
----------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately that attitude by the American consumer 50 years ago is what precipitated the demise of US manufacturing.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
DUH....Ford ISN"T GM.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
I would like to have a maid, but I can't afford a legal beautiful, blue-eyed blonde, so I go without.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
To move as desired? here's one of the useful idiots I told you about sneakypete. The ones who think GM should be "free" get my money through taxes, then be "free" to move wherever they want.
______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
Incorrect.
______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
No, the jobs and products were gone once free trade was enacted. It was pushed by companies so once the barriers were lifted they could move without the consequences of tariffs. So are you a fooker who supports free trade or a fooker who supports fair trade?
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
There's a reason.......The Bryan Times - Apr 3, 1975 Import car sales set new record. One in five new car sales are imports.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
You, Thor and all the rest of the consumers who bought foreign instead of US manufactured are responsible for the demise of the US manufacturing sector. That you don't want to shoulder the blame is entirely understandable. You're fookin cowards from the word go. What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Buy American, fookin moron!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
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#64. To: Thor (#61)
Putting on caps and repetition doesn't make you any less wrong.
#65. To: Ibluafartsky (#64)
#66. To: Thor (#65)
how is a consumer going to buy an "american made" car when all the American brands outsourced part making overseas?
#67. To: e_type_jag (#57)
Pete....the lemmings just won't ever wake up.
#68. To: Bickus Dickus, White Sands (#5)
If the plan is doing a "Circuit City" by replacing high paid with new low paid this sucks.
#69. To: Thor, diva betsy ross (#7)
#70. To: Thor (#22)
I don't care how old you are, your version of events simply doesn't coincide with the facts that GM had it's highest rates of profitability in the 60s when unionization was at it's highest rates.
#71. To: Ibluafartsky (#29)
You're so fookin stupid you can't comprehend the simple concept of choice.
#72. To: sneakypete (#69)
#73. To: Thor (#62)
Unions are certainly based on collective interests, but by your definition any collective body is socialist.
#74. To: Thor (#62)
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Union members don't lose any rights,
#75. To: Thor (#74)
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#76. To: Ibluafartsky (#66)
#77. To: Wood_Chopper (#55)
Mine was built in the USA.
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#78. To: e_type_jag, We The People (#58)
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#79. To: mel (#53)
(mel)even American vehicles are made with parts assembled overseas these days.
#80. To: Wood_Chopper (#79)
The NWO, as far as vehicles are concerned, is here.
#81. To: sneakypete, All (#71)
Really? Tell us about all the choices we have when it comes to buying even simple things like plumbing fittings,nails,tv sets,toasters,etc,etc,etc.
#82. To: Thor (#76)
They were killed by free trade.
#83. To: mel (#51)
I prefer Chevy over Ford. Unfortunatly, even American vehicles are made with parts assembled overseas these days.
#84. To: sneakypete, mel (#83)
#85. To: diva betsy ross (#72)
If a janitor is sought after and skilled and needed- they will make money. Free Market is about self motivation and responsibility. It is kinda American n'at.
#86. To: Wood_Chopper (#79)
They're all "international" car companies.
#87. To: Ibluafartsky (#81)
Americans preferred to buy cheap imports thus driving US manufacturers out of business or off shore.
#88. To: Ibluafartsky (#84)
The 10 millionth engine, a 4.6 liter 3-valve V-8, will be shipped to AutoAlliance International in Flat Rock, Mich., to be installed in a new 2010 Mustang GT.
#89. To: sneakypete (#86)
BINGO! They are all "Corporate Citizens of the World".
#90. To: sneakypete (#83)
V-8 Chevrolet engines are now made in Mexico.
Click if you want the truth. Click here for an important video message
#91. To: sneakypete (#85)
#92. To: Wood_Chopper (#89)
A lot of the useful idiots really BELIEVE that if we all become dependent on each other, there will be sunshine and lollypops and rainbows everywhere.
#93. To: mel (#90)
V-8 Chevrolet engines are now made in Mexico.
#94. To: sneakypete (#86)
BINGO! They are all "Corporate Citizens of the World".
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#95. To: sneakypete (#87)
If this makes me a bad guy,so be it. I do what I can do within my means,but am under no illusions that I am going to save the country with my nickel and dime purchases.
#96. To: sneakypete (#88)
Ok,now tell me how many of those Ford 4.6 engines get put into Chevrolets.
#97. To: mel (#90)
Mine are made in my garage. ;-)
#98. To: WhiteSands, sneakypete (#94)
You mean they are free.
#99. To: Ibluafartsky (#95)
Unfortunately that attitude by the American consumer 50 years ago is what precipitated the demise of US manufacturing.
#100. To: Ibluafartsky (#82)
fookin
#101. To: sneakypete (#87)
I didn't. I still buy American when I have a choice,even if I have to pay slightly more. I no longer even have that option in most cases.
#102. To: Wood_Chopper, Thor, All (#99)
Incorrect.
#103. To: Thor (#100)
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