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Elon Musk Delivers Stunning Remarks At Historic UK March (Tommy Robinson) "Transcript: Mrs. Erika Kirk Delivers Public Address: ‘His Movement Will Go On’" Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Ford Offers Buyouts to All Factory Workers Source: cbsnews.com URL Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009 ... tm_source=feedburner&utm_mediu Published: Dec 21, 2009 Author: cbsnews.com Post Date: 2009-12-21 18:45:28 by WhiteSands Keywords: Ford, Jobs, Taxes,OSHA,Carbon Taxes Views: 14059 Comments: 154 (AP) Ford Motor Co. says it is offering buyout and early retirement incentives to all of its 41,000 U.S. hourly workers to further reduce its factory work force. Company spokesman Mark Truby said Ford still has too many factory workers for its current sales levels. He would not say how many workers the company wants to leave but said Ford is working that out with the United Auto Workers union. Ford currently has about 600 blue-collar workers laid off but available for recall. The buyout offer includes $50,000 cash plus a $25,000 car voucher or $20,000 more in cash. The retirement package includes $40,000 cash for skilled trades and $20,000 for production workers. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 73. #6. To: WhiteSands (#0) (Edited) The only way Ford will survive is to get rid of all Union members. I can't blame them one bit. Kill off the Union, because their use is long, long gone, and lets get back to a free market. diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-22   14:20:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: diva betsy ross (#6) Kill off the Union, because their use is long, long gone, and lets get back to a free market. Damn right. Sweat shops were good enough for our ancestors and they should be good enough for us. After all, in a free market that's what were competing against. Along the same line, let's get rid of those ridiculous child labor laws too. Let the little bastards earn their keep. Why should they be treated any better than their counterparts in the Third World? Bickus Dickus  posted on  2009-12-22   14:31:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Bickus Dickus (#8) PFT- The UAW is a HUGE part of the problem in Michigan. No one- who has lived in Michigan, and known anyone employed by any of the auto makers is at all surprised by what has happened. I could have predicted when I was grade school. The Unions there killed the Auto makers. There are no sweat shops- but they may have to actually work and do it without a nanny. Worse things happen to Americans all of the time. diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-22   14:36:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: diva betsy ross (#9) Unions didn't kill Detroit, that is free traitor nonsense pushed by the GOP establishment. When unionization of the workforce was at it's highest rates during the 1960s when GM profitability was also at it's highest. So this nonsense that paying a first world wages to skilled workers caused the bankruptcy of GM has no basis. What protected those wages and jobs were tariffs, once you lost those, it became more profitable to go to China or Brazil and pay third worlders peanuts. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   14:55:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Thor (#14) (Edited) Well, I dunno that post of yours doesnt seem logical to me. I will tell you why. I was born and raised in Motor city. My Dad was a lifetime Ford employee. Everyone I know from my childhood is connected with one of the automakers in someway. It is sort of a way of life for many people in the Metro Detroit area. I could have told you the difference between union and non Union Auto workers from the time I was about 7. So that is my POV. Unions are not good for business and therefore are not good for paychecks and therefore are not good for employment, and therefore are not good for the economy. I learned that when I was a babe in arms. Your mileage may vary- and prolly does. ;) diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-22   15:07:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: diva betsy ross (#17) I don't care how old you are, your version of events simply doesn't coincide with the facts that GM had it's highest rates of profitability in the 60s when unionization was at it's highest rates. What happened to Detroit has nothing to do with workers getting together and demanding a decent wage. IT has to do with free trade. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   17:06:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: Thor (#22) IT has to do with free trade. It has to do with 'American' consumers purchasing and supporting imports and their manufacturers. We Americans have choices. No one that I have knowledge of was forced to purchase or support Japanese and German auto makers. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   17:12:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Ibluafartsky (#23) Bullshit, you don't have a choice when most manufacturing has been shipped overseas and you lost your high paying manufacturing job and any cheap affordable car is foreign. Though, at least your argument isn't as bad as other free traitors. You know their are no merits, and won't argue that their are. But you are a blind global capitalist ideologue that puts your suicidal theories before what's best for the nation. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   17:28:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: Thor (#24) Bullshit, you don't have a choice You're a typical fookin retard. We had choices and still do. If I manufacture a widget in Topeka, Kansas, paying a living wage to my workers, and the workers can buy a widget manufactured in Japan for less money and they do, how fookin stupid do you have to be to not realize by buying imported widgets, you are jeopardizing your own employment. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   17:54:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Ibluafartsky (#25) (Edited) No, you are the short sighted one. Stop drinking the GOP kool aid and look at reality. You are looking at the effects of free trade. Such a situation wouldn't exist with tariffs in a protectionist system. Tariffs make it unprofitable to move offshore because off the huge taxes levied on foreign goods brought into the country. Of course, once you eliminate those tariffs, it becomes much more profitable to move to the third world where you can pay mexicans or chinese pennies on the dollar. That is what American manfacturers who wished to go international lobbied for, and they got their wish. Tariffs were what made America strong and built America into an economic superpower. Tariffs protected American jobs and wages from cheap third world labor. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   17:59:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Thor (#26) No, you are the short sighted one. I'll bet you drive an import and are a cheap fooker who buys cheap crap that supports foreign manufacturers. You make the choice to buy or not to buy. Americans support foreign manufacturers. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   18:03:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Ibluafartsky (#27) A cheap fooker? What the hell is a fooker? The fact is, you didn't disprove a single thing I said. The choice Americans have is the same choice we will have in regards to government mandates to buy private insurance. IT isn't a choice when you have a low paying service job when your high oaying manufacturing jobs were shipped overseas due to elimination of tariffs and your choice is between a cheaper foreign car and a more expensive ar that claims to be made in the USA. Bt even if you buy a Ford, it is about as American as a Toyota. Both have assembly plants here, but the fact is most of the parts of your car are made in third world countries like Mexico because with elimination of tariffs it is much cheaper and more profitable for the company to do so. Your pro free trade position is a minority position that is pretty much only held by east coast money managers, neo con academics, GOP and Democratic Leadership, and multinational corporate management. Most americans want renegotiation of trade deals and want fair trade. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   18:15:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Thor (#28) The fact is, you didn't disprove a single thing I said. You're so fookin stupid you can't comprehend the simple concept of choice. Go ahead and buy imported shit. Then bitch and moan about no jobs! Fookin morons! Free Trade does not inhibit Free Choice, IDIOT! Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   18:39:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Ibluafartsky (#29) No, the fact is, you aren't able to understand basic economics. I know you have contempt for working Americans, the Republican party(as has the Democratic Party since the 60s) has always been the enemy of the White American working class, but you are letting that hate blind any reason you have. You keep talking about this choice, as though there are any cars mostly made in America and that money just grows on trees for most Americans, it just isn't the case. One has no choice financially when they are are stuck in lower paying service jobs to just splurge and spend an extra 5,000 bucks on a car assembled in America but with parts built in Mexico; they are already living pay check to paycheck. The jobs are gone because former American but now multinational companies shipped jobs to the third world once tariffs were eliminated. It wasn't Americans' fault, it was the fault of politicians who voted the way of the corporate lobbies. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   18:48:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: Thor (#30) I know you have contempt for working Americans You keep talking about this choice, You fookin moron, I have contempt for you fookin assholes who abandoned the American worker when YOU decided to buy imported shit. You're guilty! You're too fookin greedy and stupid to support US manufacturers and workers. You and those like you have brought this country down to the level it is today. I detest you despicable, whining, stupid, fookin idiots! I'm not holding your hand! Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   18:57:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: Ibluafartsky (#32) (Edited) Wow, you are angry, I think I have hit a nerve. No, the multinational corporations and the corrupt politicians of the Democrat and Republican ilk who line their pockets with their lobbies' dollars are to blame. They eliminated tariffs, thereby eliminating protections against third world labor on American jobs and wages. The sad truth is, you care more about adherence to suicidal global capitalism than you do about the welfare of the American worker. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   19:05:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: Thor (#33) No, the multinational corporations and the corrupt politicians of the Democrat and Republican ilk who line their pockets with their lobbies' dollars are to blame. They eliminated tariffs, thereby eliminating protections against third world labor on American jobs and wages. Not to mention the ever higher mountain of regulations continually coming out of the District of Criminals. We The People  posted on  2009-12-22   19:14:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #51. To: We The People, Thor (#34) When I was very little, my dad and uncle worked for the railroad. They were very fortunate to belong to the union. Unions used to protect the worker. I prefer Chevy over Ford. Unfortunatly, even American vehicles are made with parts assembled overseas these days. mel  posted on  2009-12-22   20:47:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #52. To: mel (#51) This is just my opinion on unions and nothing against you or your union family members. I am absolutely anti union. This country was founded upon the rights of the individual. Not rights granted or coerced as part of a group. The employee/employer relationship should be just that, between the employer and the employee. Union members lose the right to individually negotiate with their employer. That is unAmerican. Unions are socialistic in their very nature. We The People  posted on  2009-12-22   22:37:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #62. To: We The People (#52) So you oppose freedom of association? Essentially, you don't think people with common interests should be able to organize to protect each other? Union members don't lose any rights, they join because they know as a group they hold much more power. The fact is, the CEO of a large company really doesn't care what one worke has too say, however if enough of those workers organize and their voice will be heard. Unions are certainly based on collective interests, but by your definition any collective body is socialist. Thor  posted on  2009-12-23   1:58:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #73. To: Thor (#62) Unions are certainly based on collective interests, but by your definition any collective body is socialist. That is not what I said. Bush's Un-American and Immoral Call for "National Service" http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5319 The 'collectivist' belief in the supremacy of the group over the individual is the foundation of the national-service ideology, which regards the individual as a servant to the nation. And the proponents of "duty" to the state, although they claim to be patriots, are espousing a view that is fundamentally un-American. Unions are Inherently UnAmerican — Teachers Union Rips Off Members www.americanconservatived...s-union-rips-off-members/ Imagine a fast food place that makes you buy a cheeseburger when you want a chicken sandwich. Oh, they don’t mind if you buy the chicken sandwich, too, mind you, but you are forced to purchase a cheeseburger every time you walk through the doors whether you want it or not. Seems a bit like a rip off, not to mention unAmerican, to force you to buy something you don’t want, doesn’t it? Well, this is unionism. Only unions prevent you from even having a job in your chosen profession in the first place to have the cash to buy your chicken sandwich unless you follow their rules. That’s forced labor for other’s benefit. We used to call that a form of enslavement… now it’s called union membership. Are Teachers’ Unions Un-American? 97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=31986 Thomas Jefferson once said, "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." In 2008 his words are more than an apt description of the relationship that many of our nation’s educators have with the teachers’ unions. The fact that public school teachers in most states have no choice but to pay tribute in the form of dues to the unions is certainly tyrannical and therefore un-American. 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