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What Happens Inside Gaza’s Secret Tunnels? | Unpacked Hamas Torture Bodycam Footage: "These Monsters Filmed it All" | IDF Warfighter Doron Keidar, Ep. 225 Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Ford Offers Buyouts to All Factory Workers Source: cbsnews.com URL Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009 ... tm_source=feedburner&utm_mediu Published: Dec 21, 2009 Author: cbsnews.com Post Date: 2009-12-21 18:45:28 by WhiteSands Keywords: Ford, Jobs, Taxes,OSHA,Carbon Taxes Views: 13239 Comments: 154 (AP) Ford Motor Co. says it is offering buyout and early retirement incentives to all of its 41,000 U.S. hourly workers to further reduce its factory work force. Company spokesman Mark Truby said Ford still has too many factory workers for its current sales levels. He would not say how many workers the company wants to leave but said Ford is working that out with the United Auto Workers union. Ford currently has about 600 blue-collar workers laid off but available for recall. The buyout offer includes $50,000 cash plus a $25,000 car voucher or $20,000 more in cash. The retirement package includes $40,000 cash for skilled trades and $20,000 for production workers. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 65. #6. To: WhiteSands (#0) (Edited) The only way Ford will survive is to get rid of all Union members. I can't blame them one bit. Kill off the Union, because their use is long, long gone, and lets get back to a free market. diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-22   14:20:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: diva betsy ross (#6) Kill off the Union, because their use is long, long gone, and lets get back to a free market. Damn right. Sweat shops were good enough for our ancestors and they should be good enough for us. After all, in a free market that's what were competing against. Along the same line, let's get rid of those ridiculous child labor laws too. Let the little bastards earn their keep. Why should they be treated any better than their counterparts in the Third World? Bickus Dickus  posted on  2009-12-22   14:31:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Bickus Dickus (#8) PFT- The UAW is a HUGE part of the problem in Michigan. No one- who has lived in Michigan, and known anyone employed by any of the auto makers is at all surprised by what has happened. I could have predicted when I was grade school. The Unions there killed the Auto makers. There are no sweat shops- but they may have to actually work and do it without a nanny. Worse things happen to Americans all of the time. diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-22   14:36:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: diva betsy ross (#9) Unions didn't kill Detroit, that is free traitor nonsense pushed by the GOP establishment. When unionization of the workforce was at it's highest rates during the 1960s when GM profitability was also at it's highest. So this nonsense that paying a first world wages to skilled workers caused the bankruptcy of GM has no basis. What protected those wages and jobs were tariffs, once you lost those, it became more profitable to go to China or Brazil and pay third worlders peanuts. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   14:55:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Thor (#14) (Edited) Well, I dunno that post of yours doesnt seem logical to me. I will tell you why. I was born and raised in Motor city. My Dad was a lifetime Ford employee. Everyone I know from my childhood is connected with one of the automakers in someway. It is sort of a way of life for many people in the Metro Detroit area. I could have told you the difference between union and non Union Auto workers from the time I was about 7. So that is my POV. Unions are not good for business and therefore are not good for paychecks and therefore are not good for employment, and therefore are not good for the economy. I learned that when I was a babe in arms. Your mileage may vary- and prolly does. ;) diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-22   15:07:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: diva betsy ross (#17) I don't care how old you are, your version of events simply doesn't coincide with the facts that GM had it's highest rates of profitability in the 60s when unionization was at it's highest rates. What happened to Detroit has nothing to do with workers getting together and demanding a decent wage. IT has to do with free trade. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   17:06:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: Thor (#22) IT has to do with free trade. It has to do with 'American' consumers purchasing and supporting imports and their manufacturers. We Americans have choices. No one that I have knowledge of was forced to purchase or support Japanese and German auto makers. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   17:12:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Ibluafartsky (#23) Bullshit, you don't have a choice when most manufacturing has been shipped overseas and you lost your high paying manufacturing job and any cheap affordable car is foreign. Though, at least your argument isn't as bad as other free traitors. You know their are no merits, and won't argue that their are. But you are a blind global capitalist ideologue that puts your suicidal theories before what's best for the nation. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   17:28:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: Thor (#24) Bullshit, you don't have a choice You're a typical fookin retard. We had choices and still do. If I manufacture a widget in Topeka, Kansas, paying a living wage to my workers, and the workers can buy a widget manufactured in Japan for less money and they do, how fookin stupid do you have to be to not realize by buying imported widgets, you are jeopardizing your own employment. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   17:54:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Ibluafartsky (#25) (Edited) No, you are the short sighted one. Stop drinking the GOP kool aid and look at reality. You are looking at the effects of free trade. Such a situation wouldn't exist with tariffs in a protectionist system. Tariffs make it unprofitable to move offshore because off the huge taxes levied on foreign goods brought into the country. Of course, once you eliminate those tariffs, it becomes much more profitable to move to the third world where you can pay mexicans or chinese pennies on the dollar. That is what American manfacturers who wished to go international lobbied for, and they got their wish. Tariffs were what made America strong and built America into an economic superpower. Tariffs protected American jobs and wages from cheap third world labor. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   17:59:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Thor (#26) No, you are the short sighted one. I'll bet you drive an import and are a cheap fooker who buys cheap crap that supports foreign manufacturers. You make the choice to buy or not to buy. Americans support foreign manufacturers. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   18:03:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Ibluafartsky (#27) A cheap fooker? What the hell is a fooker? The fact is, you didn't disprove a single thing I said. The choice Americans have is the same choice we will have in regards to government mandates to buy private insurance. IT isn't a choice when you have a low paying service job when your high oaying manufacturing jobs were shipped overseas due to elimination of tariffs and your choice is between a cheaper foreign car and a more expensive ar that claims to be made in the USA. Bt even if you buy a Ford, it is about as American as a Toyota. Both have assembly plants here, but the fact is most of the parts of your car are made in third world countries like Mexico because with elimination of tariffs it is much cheaper and more profitable for the company to do so. Your pro free trade position is a minority position that is pretty much only held by east coast money managers, neo con academics, GOP and Democratic Leadership, and multinational corporate management. Most americans want renegotiation of trade deals and want fair trade. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   18:15:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Thor (#28) The fact is, you didn't disprove a single thing I said. You're so fookin stupid you can't comprehend the simple concept of choice. Go ahead and buy imported shit. Then bitch and moan about no jobs! Fookin morons! Free Trade does not inhibit Free Choice, IDIOT! Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   18:39:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Ibluafartsky (#29) No, the fact is, you aren't able to understand basic economics. I know you have contempt for working Americans, the Republican party(as has the Democratic Party since the 60s) has always been the enemy of the White American working class, but you are letting that hate blind any reason you have. You keep talking about this choice, as though there are any cars mostly made in America and that money just grows on trees for most Americans, it just isn't the case. One has no choice financially when they are are stuck in lower paying service jobs to just splurge and spend an extra 5,000 bucks on a car assembled in America but with parts built in Mexico; they are already living pay check to paycheck. The jobs are gone because former American but now multinational companies shipped jobs to the third world once tariffs were eliminated. It wasn't Americans' fault, it was the fault of politicians who voted the way of the corporate lobbies. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   18:48:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: Thor (#30) I know you have contempt for working Americans You keep talking about this choice, You fookin moron, I have contempt for you fookin assholes who abandoned the American worker when YOU decided to buy imported shit. You're guilty! You're too fookin greedy and stupid to support US manufacturers and workers. You and those like you have brought this country down to the level it is today. I detest you despicable, whining, stupid, fookin idiots! I'm not holding your hand! Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   18:57:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: Ibluafartsky (#32) (Edited) Wow, you are angry, I think I have hit a nerve. No, the multinational corporations and the corrupt politicians of the Democrat and Republican ilk who line their pockets with their lobbies' dollars are to blame. They eliminated tariffs, thereby eliminating protections against third world labor on American jobs and wages. The sad truth is, you care more about adherence to suicidal global capitalism than you do about the welfare of the American worker. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   19:05:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: Thor (#33) I think I have hit a nerve. They eliminated tariffs the welfare of the American worker. You're so fookin stupid you probably hit yourself in the head with a club and then declare how much better you feel when you stop! They didn't force you cheap assholes to buy foreign shit, did they? The truth is you cheap fellators killed the American worker. You are GUILTY! Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   19:16:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: Ibluafartsky (#35) Wow, now the American worker is a cheap asshole. However, I am not surprised of your attitudes towards the average working white American; as those are the attitudes of the GOP leadership. Your contempt for the average working American living pay check to pay check is wrong and unpatriotic. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   19:21:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: Thor (#37) Wow, now the American worker is a cheap asshole. average working white American living pay check to pay check If the glove fits, wear it. You're guilty as charged. No one forced you cheap assholes to buy foreign shit, did they? Are you now claiming all "average working white American" are fookin morons like you? You are to blame. You choose to buy cheap imported shit and put your fellow workers on unemployment! Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   19:27:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: Ibluafartsky (#39) Wrong again. You simply raen't living in reality. You act as though Americans chose to have jobs shipped overseas. You do so so you can cast the blame on those you hate for the conditions created by the nightmare of free trade away from the corporate lobbies who pushed for it. There is no choice for those living from pay check to pay check when they were relegated to lower paying service work after their jobs were shipped overseas by corporation who pushed for the elimination of tariffs. As I said before, they have no choice when it is between a cheap Japanese make and a "made in America" car who parts were made in mexico and then assembled in America which is out of their price range and has higher maintenance costs. You don't live in the nightmarish reality that this global capitalist system has created for the dwindling middle and working class. All you are loyal to is a word, capitalism, and you disregard else. Instead of blaming the perpetrators, you blame the victims. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   19:41:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: Thor (#44) You simply raen't(sic) living in reality. they have no choice You are undoubtedly one of the dumbest fookin posters ever to inhabit the internet. Obviously you lack IQ and education and unfortunately I have no way of lowering myself to your level. I believe you need a special education specialist. The consumer MADE THE CHOICE when the first Jap and German imports were marketed in the US. Keyriced, get a fookin clue!!!! Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   19:49:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: Ibluafartsky (#46) No, the fact is, you wouldn't be able to post if cuss words didn't exist. The fact you just cuss and repeat the same things over and over shows your lack of intelligence. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   19:52:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: Thor (#47) No, the fact is, repeat the same things over and over You're a government lackey who needs someone or thing to make choices for you because you are incapable of making them yourself. FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is all you have done while ignoring the fact that the American consumer had choices!!!! Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   20:07:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #61. To: Ibluafartsky (#49) Putting on caps and repetition doesn't make you any less wrong. Thor  posted on  2009-12-23   1:52:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #64. To: Thor (#61) Putting on caps and repetition doesn't make you any less wrong. Your ignorance is astounding. Consumers have choices. You chose to support foreign manufacturers. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-23   2:08:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #65. To: Ibluafartsky (#64) Your ignorance of economic and financial issues is astounding. One, how is a consumer going to buy an "american made" car when all the American brands outsourced part making overseas? The fact is, eliminating barriers made it much more profitable to have third world peons make the parts of your "American" ford. Secondly, there is no choice, the average american simply cannot afford to spend the extra 5000 dollars on a car whose parts were made in mexico but assembled in America to say a Toyota which is lower cost and lower maintenance. Since American Manufacturing has been outsourced, real wages have been stagnate since the 70s and in certain cases have gone down. They simply can't afford to splurge on a car that was mostly made in Mexico and will cost much more in maintenance. Not only did free traitors ship the products overseas, they shipped the income overseas. You have the cause and effect entirely wrong the jobs and products where shipped overseas once barriers were removed. Multinational Corporations lobbied for elimination of tariffs and once they got their wish they backed. And were not just talking about cars here, we are talking about clothes, tools, furniture, televisions, machinery, steel etc. Do you support or oppose free trade? Thor  posted on  2009-12-23   2:26:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 65. #66. To: Thor (#65) how is a consumer going to buy an "american made" car when all the American brands outsourced part making overseas? You have the cause and effect entirely wrong we are talking about clothes, tools, furniture, televisions, machinery, steel etc Look stupid, the American economy didn't just begin 20 years ago. You can spew your constant stream of bullshit, but the fact of the matter is, the American consumer had and has choices and they chose to buy too many imports. I have no doubt you are one of the offenders. All parts making outsourced? You're a lunatic. Ever hear of Delphi Corporation. You are FOS. Choices....the consumer chose imports, putting American manufacturers out of business. Thanks you cheap mofos. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-23 02:57:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 65. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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