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Title: Ford Offers Buyouts to All Factory Workers
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Published: Dec 21, 2009
Author: cbsnews.com
Post Date: 2009-12-21 18:45:28 by WhiteSands
Keywords: Ford, Jobs, Taxes,OSHA,Carbon Taxes
Views: 13377
Comments: 154
(AP) Ford Motor Co. says it is offering buyout and early retirement incentives to all of its 41,000 U.S. hourly workers to further reduce its factory work force. Company spokesman Mark Truby said Ford still has too many factory workers for its current sales levels. He would not say how many workers the company wants to leave but said Ford is working that out with the United Auto Workers union. Ford currently has about 600 blue-collar workers laid off but available for recall. The buyout offer includes $50,000 cash plus a $25,000 car voucher or $20,000 more in cash. The retirement package includes $40,000 cash for skilled trades and $20,000 for production workers.
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#36. To: Ibluafartsky (#32)
LOL! Guess who else says this all the time yukon? You guessed it.......YUKON! LMAOAY illegal alien!
Wow, now the American worker is a cheap asshole. However, I am not surprised of your attitudes towards the average working white American; as those are the attitudes of the GOP leadership. Your contempt for the average working American living pay check to pay check is wrong and unpatriotic.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
Not to mention the ever higher mountain of regulations continually coming out of the District of Criminals. Protections? You as a consumer need protections? You don't have the fookin brainpower to see that buying foreign shit is going to eliminate US production? You are a product of either retardation, failed parenting and public education, or all of the aforementioned.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
average working white American living pay check to pay check If the glove fits, wear it. You're guilty as charged. No one forced you cheap assholes to buy foreign shit, did they? Are you now claiming all "average working white American" are fookin morons like you? You are to blame. You choose to buy cheap imported shit and put your fellow workers on unemployment!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
That's not even what was said, idiot! You do know why you have to spin everything right?
Which one? I sure get a charge out of your attempts at changing the subject when you have been What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
LMAO! Sure thing Alice.
So who brought up "protections", moron? Your weak attempts at spin and changing the subject are pathetic at best.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Wrong again. You simply raen't living in reality. You act as though Americans chose to have jobs shipped overseas. You do so so you can cast the blame on those you hate for the conditions created by the nightmare of free trade away from the corporate lobbies who pushed for it. There is no choice for those living from pay check to pay check when they were relegated to lower paying service work after their jobs were shipped overseas by corporation who pushed for the elimination of tariffs. As I said before, they have no choice when it is between a cheap Japanese make and a "made in America" car who parts were made in mexico and then assembled in America which is out of their price range and has higher maintenance costs. You don't live in the nightmarish reality that this global capitalist system has created for the dwindling middle and working class. All you are loyal to is a word, capitalism, and you disregard else. Instead of blaming the perpetrators, you blame the victims.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
Impossible. You and Manchelle are never going to accomplish that, weepy! What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
they have no choice You are undoubtedly one of the dumbest fookin posters ever to inhabit the internet. Obviously you lack IQ and education and unfortunately I have no way of lowering myself to your level. I believe you need a special education specialist. The consumer MADE THE CHOICE when the first Jap and German imports were marketed in the US. Keyriced, get a fookin clue!!!!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
No, the fact is, you wouldn't be able to post if cuss words didn't exist. The fact you just cuss and repeat the same things over and over shows your lack of intelligence.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
You've already accomplished it yukon. I call you Alice because you live in Wonderland. You're a complete dunce and a waste of time, just like over at LP. I think I'll put you on bozo. I'm tiring of your idiotic responses.
repeat the same things over and over You're a government lackey who needs someone or thing to make choices for you because you are incapable of making them yourself. FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is all you have done while ignoring the fact that the American consumer had choices!!!!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
I think I'll put you on bozo. Yea, I wonder how you fookin morons manage to feed, clothe and wash yourselves. You are a BOZO, you fookin clown!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
When I was very little, my dad and uncle worked for the railroad. They were very fortunate to belong to the union. Unions used to protect the worker. I prefer Chevy over Ford. Unfortunatly, even American vehicles are made with parts assembled overseas these days.
This is just my opinion on unions and nothing against you or your union family members. I am absolutely anti union. This country was founded upon the rights of the individual. Not rights granted or coerced as part of a group. The employee/employer relationship should be just that, between the employer and the employee. Union members lose the right to individually negotiate with their employer. That is unAmerican. Unions are socialistic in their very nature.
My Buick was assembled in Canada. My Subaru was assembled in Indiana.
______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI), the maker of Subaru automobiles, is a leading manufacturer in Japan
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Mine was built in the USA.
______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
So where do the profits go? TOKYO! You're another supporter of globalism and Free Trade.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Pete....the lemmings just won't ever wake up. They don't hold themselves accountable for the crass desire for cheap consumerism and they certainly won't hold corporate entities who deliver their cheap goods accountable either. Without moribundly rambling on ... thems the facts.....
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
Spot on on this. Gone are the days where unions guarded against sweatshops and locked doors from the outside......now it's all about greed within the worker drones (which leads to fork lift driver "careers" ending up at burdened retirement rates exceeding 50+ USD) and self importance amongst the shiftless union thug leaders.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
You may have missed something...... Where I worked, the union leaders who cared about the workers (guarded against sweatshops) got hammered. The union folk who went along with management got promotions to ... management positions.
______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
Don't take me wrong though. For the most part, the Union was just another layer of someone dictating to the workers.
______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
Putting on caps and repetition doesn't make you any less wrong.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
So you oppose freedom of association? Essentially, you don't think people with common interests should be able to organize to protect each other? Union members don't lose any rights, they join because they know as a group they hold much more power. The fact is, the CEO of a large company really doesn't care what one worke has too say, however if enough of those workers organize and their voice will be heard. Unions are certainly based on collective interests, but by your definition any collective body is socialist.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
The problem is, any collective group can be infiltrated by the other side, especially with ______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.
Your ignorance is astounding. Consumers have choices. You chose to support foreign manufacturers.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Your ignorance of economic and financial issues is astounding. One, how is a consumer going to buy an "american made" car when all the American brands outsourced part making overseas? The fact is, eliminating barriers made it much more profitable to have third world peons make the parts of your "American" ford. Secondly, there is no choice, the average american simply cannot afford to spend the extra 5000 dollars on a car whose parts were made in mexico but assembled in America to say a Toyota which is lower cost and lower maintenance. Since American Manufacturing has been outsourced, real wages have been stagnate since the 70s and in certain cases have gone down. They simply can't afford to splurge on a car that was mostly made in Mexico and will cost much more in maintenance. Not only did free traitors ship the products overseas, they shipped the income overseas. You have the cause and effect entirely wrong the jobs and products where shipped overseas once barriers were removed. Multinational Corporations lobbied for elimination of tariffs and once they got their wish they backed. And were not just talking about cars here, we are talking about clothes, tools, furniture, televisions, machinery, steel etc. Do you support or oppose free trade?
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
You have the cause and effect entirely wrong we are talking about clothes, tools, furniture, televisions, machinery, steel etc Look stupid, the American economy didn't just begin 20 years ago. You can spew your constant stream of bullshit, but the fact of the matter is, the American consumer had and has choices and they chose to buy too many imports. I have no doubt you are one of the offenders. All parts making outsourced? You're a lunatic. Ever hear of Delphi Corporation. You are FOS. Choices....the consumer chose imports, putting American manufacturers out of business. Thanks you cheap mofos.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Sad,but true. One day they will wake up to face the prospect of no jobs,no unemployment money,no food stamps,and no water,heat,electricity,no prescription drugs,and no medical care,and they will blame it on everybody but themselves. The thing is this won't be the end of it. They will turn mean and lash out at anybody and everybody they see that has something they don't have because it's "unfair" for them to do without. THIS is why the survivalists that live in the cities who have bought land outside of town and stocked up on drygoods and prepared themselves as best they can to survive lean times have been doing just that despite all the ridicule others have always thrown their way. They will have the last laugh even though in this case it will just be an expression because nobody is going to be laughing about the economic or living conditions in this country for at least a generation. In fact,I have seriously been considering starting a "The Coming Downfall" ping list so people can post threads about news stories that show the collapse building. Stories about civil unrest,unemployment figures,small business bankruptcies in their local areas that never make the national news,etc,etc,etc. I don't want to be morbid,but it might help some people if they can see it coming and make what preparations they can make so it will affect them less. It might even wake up a few people in time to affect the 2010 elections,although I honestly think things have already gone too far to be solved by any political means that doesn't involve hangings and firing squads. You are a part-time cop and I know you don't want to hear that,but get used to the idea. None of the rest of us really wanted to hear it,either.
If the plan is to move to another Nation then God Bless 'em. How does your first statement differ from your second? Whitey is a neo-con fascist that puts profits ahead of everything else. It's his religion,and like all religious true-believers,he is blind to any other viewpoint.
You are both wrong,and both of you are right. First off,workers should be valued for their job skills,difficulty,danger,and importance,and should be paid appropriately. A guy that operated a air tool and installs seat belts every day does NOT deserve the same pay as a dentist. You could train a monkey to do that job in about 30 days. On the other hand,some factory workers,like tool and die makers or machinists DO deserve high wages because of the skill and knowledge required to do their jobs. Secondy,we don't HAVE "Free Trade". What we have is unfair trade because we are letting inferior products to be imported into our country that destroys our own production of better quality products,and they pay little or no import taxes on their 3rd rate junk. On the other hand,OUR products going to those same countries have import tariffs so high that only a small percentage of the elites can even afford them. Cars are one example. I don't know what the balance is now,but back in the 60's if somebody in Japan wanted to buy a US car they had to pay the full US price,pay the shipping,and then pay a special 100% tax on that total. Meanwhile the Japanese cars coming into the US had very small import fees attached to them. In some countries we weren't even allowed to import ANYTHING make in that country,yet we allowed THEM to export their goods and products to the US with minimum fees. What we need is Free Trade that is FAIR TRADE. Fair Trade means we deal with other countries the same way they deal with us,and we do NOT allow the industries where we dominate the international market to be weakened by cheap and inferior imports. The problem is that at this late date I don't have the first bleeping clue how we could go about doing this because there is no longer any such thing as a "American Corporation". OR a "British Corporation","Japanese Corporation",etc,etc,etc. They are ALL international corporations,and "Corporate Citizens of the World". Fiat now owns Chysler. They also own what used to be Ford tractors. The French own Winchester and Remington,and they even own Nissan now. Ford owns a large percentage of Mazda. GM owns a large percentage of Izuzu. This is nothing news,either. GM owned Opel before WW-2 began,and were selling Opels to Germans and other Europeans and pocketing the profits. WW-2 came along and the Nazi's nationalized the Opel plant to make trucks for the German military,so quite naturally,these plants were bombed by the Allies during the war. Once the war was over GM SUED the US and British governments for damages because of the bombings,and WON! That's right ,the sucker US taxpayers paid to rebuilt Opel plants in Germany that were bombed during the war,while GM kept all the profits from the government contracts. Hell,GM even MADE profits from building bombers. Boeing just made a deal a few months back to build either complete jet aircraft or jet engines for the Chinese IN China,and this was singed off on by Obama even though it was Boy Jorge that worked to set the deal in motion. Is there ANYBODY out there that doesn't think the Chinese are going to use these tools and technology to improve their military jets? How are we to stop this at this late date? Close the US plants? They are already doing this themselves. Place increased taxes on them? How can we do this when only their corporate headquarters are located here,and their production is all in other countries?
That's only because they didn't face any foreign competition back then. The Japanese auto invasion hadn't began.
Really? Tell us about all the choices we have when it comes to buying even simple things like plumbing fittings,nails,tv sets,toasters,etc,etc,etc. The choice is to either buy Chinese junk or not buy anything.
:) No Pete, I am right and then right again. I never said anything about *free trade*. I was talking about free MARKET- where the market will pay what the market will bear. If a janitor is sought after and skilled and needed- they will make money. Free Market is about self motivation and responsibility. It is kinda American n'at. I never said anything about free trade. FWIW_ Capitalists will always figure out how to market their skill set to make themselves some money. What we need is a little more enterprise and American injunuity. One person should have a number of skill sets to market- so they can go with who will pay them the money they want and then be able to change with any changing tide in employment changes. When I was broke and couldn't get a job in my career path with the college degree I had- I became the best maid a person could find. I went to the huge houses that people couldn't afford and cleaned them- collecting up money those people couldn't really afford to give out. ;) And then when that was stable I became the something else.. and then the best something else. :) Americans need to learn a little self preservation and how to work- hard- and forget the idea that anyone in the government is going to make the world a fair and comfy place for them. The world is not fair. Life is not fair. Better to learn to deal with it and pay some bills.
That is not what I said. Bush's Un-American and Immoral Call for "National Service" http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5319 The 'collectivist' belief in the supremacy of the group over the individual is the foundation of the national-service ideology, which regards the individual as a servant to the nation. And the proponents of "duty" to the state, although they claim to be patriots, are espousing a view that is fundamentally un-American. Unions are Inherently UnAmerican — Teachers Union Rips Off Members www.americanconservatived...s-union-rips-off-members/ Imagine a fast food place that makes you buy a cheeseburger when you want a chicken sandwich. Oh, they don’t mind if you buy the chicken sandwich, too, mind you, but you are forced to purchase a cheeseburger every time you walk through the doors whether you want it or not. Seems a bit like a rip off, not to mention unAmerican, to force you to buy something you don’t want, doesn’t it? Well, this is unionism. Only unions prevent you from even having a job in your chosen profession in the first place to have the cash to buy your chicken sandwich unless you follow their rules. That’s forced labor for other’s benefit. We used to call that a form of enslavement… now it’s called union membership. Are Teachers’ Unions Un-American? 97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=31986 Thomas Jefferson once said, "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." In 2008 his words are more than an apt description of the relationship that many of our nation’s educators have with the teachers’ unions. The fact that public school teachers in most states have no choice but to pay tribute in the form of dues to the unions is certainly tyrannical and therefore un-American.
they join because they know as a group they hold much more power. Union members absolutely lose the individual right to negotiate with their employer on a one on one basis, as an individual. And how is this power derived? In a labor market, individuals negotiate, groups coerce. I recently (less than 2 months ago) had a union rep tell me face to face, in a meeting of about 16 people, that people would get hurt and our building would burn down. This meeting happened to be in Illinois. I looked him in the eye and told him that union members can get smoked just like anyone else and union halls are just as flammable as any other structure. The meeting was recessed and when we came back that rep was no longer at the table. The company I work for is non union, that's why I accepted the position. I deal with union reps and workers a lot and they will, by force if necessary, try to keep other American citizens from even having a job in their chosen professions, much less working in their 'territories'. They are thugs by the very definition of the word. They also force a member to pay dues, that end up pushing a political agenda that the majority are opposed to. That is absolutely unAmerican.
BTW, they didn't recess the meeting until after they heard my response. They allowed his statement to stand, long enough to hear my reply. They sanctioned and condoned his actions and his statement and I have no doubt that his line was scripted. I showed them that they could not intimidate me or my company and didn't budge, and we now have union and non union workers on the same site. They tried to push out my guys, fellow American citizens, through intimidation and coercion. And THEY work for US!
The American economy started 215 years ago, and the nation was built fro the ground up on tariffs. Sorry, that is a fact. The Delphi Corporation has 146,000 employees, only 18,000 work in America; it has several plants in Brazil, China and Mexico. Delphi had to close or sell 21 of it's 29 plants in America because those plants simply cannot keep up with companies who outsource to the third world. They were killed by free trade. IF we had proper tariffs, foreign goods would have been priced out of market and the jobs would have stayed here. Instead they are shipped off to China and Brazil.
Stand Up, Men of the West!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgSdiX0kDI
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#37. To: Ibluafartsky (#35)
#38. To: We The People (#34)
thereby eliminating protections against third world labor on American jobs and wages.
#39. To: Thor (#37)
Wow, now the American worker is a cheap asshole.
#40. To: Ibluafartsky (#38)
Protections? You as a consumer need protections?
#41. To: We The People (#36)
You guessed it.......YUKON!
#42. To: Ibluafartsky (#41)
#43. To: We The People (#40)
That's not even what was said,
#44. To: Ibluafartsky (#39)
#45. To: We The People (#42)
LMAO!
#46. To: Thor (#44)
You simply raen't(sic) living in reality.
#47. To: Ibluafartsky (#46)
#48. To: Ibluafartsky (#45)
Impossible. You and Manchelle are never going to accomplish that, weepy!
#49. To: Thor (#47)
No, the fact is,
#50. To: We The People (#48)
you live in Wonderland.
#51. To: We The People, Thor (#34)
Click if you want the truth. Click here for an important video message
#52. To: mel (#51)
#53. To: mel (#51)
even American vehicles are made with parts assembled overseas these days.
#54. To: Wood_Chopper, mel (#53)
My Subaru was assembled in Indiana.
#55. To: Ibluafartsky (#54)
Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI), the maker of Subaru automobiles, is a leading manufacturer in Japan
#56. To: Wood_Chopper (#55)
Mine was built in the USA.
#57. To: sneakypete (#4)
At this point we HAVE to stop and wonder just exactly what it will take for the sheeple to wake up and realize they have been robbed.
#58. To: We The People (#52)
I am absolutely anti union. This country was founded upon the rights of the individual. Not rights granted or coerced as part of a group.
#59. To: e_type_jag (#58)
Gone are the days where unions guarded against sweatshops and locked doors from the outside......now it's all about greed within the worker drones (which leads to fork lift driver "careers" ending up at burdened retirement rates exceeding 50+ USD) and self importance amongst the shiftless union thug leaders.
#60. To: e_type_jag (#59)
#61. To: Ibluafartsky (#49)
#62. To: We The People (#52)
#63. To: Thor, We The People (#62)
bribes incentives to the individual. (see:healthcare legislation)
#64. To: Thor (#61)
Putting on caps and repetition doesn't make you any less wrong.
#65. To: Ibluafartsky (#64)
#66. To: Thor (#65)
how is a consumer going to buy an "american made" car when all the American brands outsourced part making overseas?
#67. To: e_type_jag (#57)
Pete....the lemmings just won't ever wake up.
#68. To: Bickus Dickus, White Sands (#5)
If the plan is doing a "Circuit City" by replacing high paid with new low paid this sucks.
#69. To: Thor, diva betsy ross (#7)
#70. To: Thor (#22)
I don't care how old you are, your version of events simply doesn't coincide with the facts that GM had it's highest rates of profitability in the 60s when unionization was at it's highest rates.
#71. To: Ibluafartsky (#29)
You're so fookin stupid you can't comprehend the simple concept of choice.
#72. To: sneakypete (#69)
#73. To: Thor (#62)
Unions are certainly based on collective interests, but by your definition any collective body is socialist.
#74. To: Thor (#62)
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Union members don't lose any rights,
#75. To: Thor (#74)
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#76. To: Ibluafartsky (#66)
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