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What Happens Inside Gaza’s Secret Tunnels? | Unpacked Hamas Torture Bodycam Footage: "These Monsters Filmed it All" | IDF Warfighter Doron Keidar, Ep. 225 Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Ford Offers Buyouts to All Factory Workers Source: cbsnews.com URL Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009 ... tm_source=feedburner&utm_mediu Published: Dec 21, 2009 Author: cbsnews.com Post Date: 2009-12-21 18:45:28 by WhiteSands Keywords: Ford, Jobs, Taxes,OSHA,Carbon Taxes Views: 13403 Comments: 154 (AP) Ford Motor Co. says it is offering buyout and early retirement incentives to all of its 41,000 U.S. hourly workers to further reduce its factory work force. Company spokesman Mark Truby said Ford still has too many factory workers for its current sales levels. He would not say how many workers the company wants to leave but said Ford is working that out with the United Auto Workers union. Ford currently has about 600 blue-collar workers laid off but available for recall. The buyout offer includes $50,000 cash plus a $25,000 car voucher or $20,000 more in cash. The retirement package includes $40,000 cash for skilled trades and $20,000 for production workers. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 142. #6. To: WhiteSands (#0) (Edited) The only way Ford will survive is to get rid of all Union members. I can't blame them one bit. Kill off the Union, because their use is long, long gone, and lets get back to a free market. diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-22   14:20:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: diva betsy ross (#6) Kill off the Union, because their use is long, long gone, and lets get back to a free market. Damn right. Sweat shops were good enough for our ancestors and they should be good enough for us. After all, in a free market that's what were competing against. Along the same line, let's get rid of those ridiculous child labor laws too. Let the little bastards earn their keep. Why should they be treated any better than their counterparts in the Third World? Bickus Dickus  posted on  2009-12-22   14:31:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Bickus Dickus (#8) PFT- The UAW is a HUGE part of the problem in Michigan. No one- who has lived in Michigan, and known anyone employed by any of the auto makers is at all surprised by what has happened. I could have predicted when I was grade school. The Unions there killed the Auto makers. There are no sweat shops- but they may have to actually work and do it without a nanny. Worse things happen to Americans all of the time. diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-22   14:36:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: diva betsy ross (#9) Unions didn't kill Detroit, that is free traitor nonsense pushed by the GOP establishment. When unionization of the workforce was at it's highest rates during the 1960s when GM profitability was also at it's highest. So this nonsense that paying a first world wages to skilled workers caused the bankruptcy of GM has no basis. What protected those wages and jobs were tariffs, once you lost those, it became more profitable to go to China or Brazil and pay third worlders peanuts. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   14:55:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Thor (#14) (Edited) Well, I dunno that post of yours doesnt seem logical to me. I will tell you why. I was born and raised in Motor city. My Dad was a lifetime Ford employee. Everyone I know from my childhood is connected with one of the automakers in someway. It is sort of a way of life for many people in the Metro Detroit area. I could have told you the difference between union and non Union Auto workers from the time I was about 7. So that is my POV. Unions are not good for business and therefore are not good for paychecks and therefore are not good for employment, and therefore are not good for the economy. I learned that when I was a babe in arms. Your mileage may vary- and prolly does. ;) diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-22   15:07:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: diva betsy ross (#17) I don't care how old you are, your version of events simply doesn't coincide with the facts that GM had it's highest rates of profitability in the 60s when unionization was at it's highest rates. What happened to Detroit has nothing to do with workers getting together and demanding a decent wage. IT has to do with free trade. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   17:06:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: Thor (#22) IT has to do with free trade. It has to do with 'American' consumers purchasing and supporting imports and their manufacturers. We Americans have choices. No one that I have knowledge of was forced to purchase or support Japanese and German auto makers. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   17:12:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Ibluafartsky (#23) Bullshit, you don't have a choice when most manufacturing has been shipped overseas and you lost your high paying manufacturing job and any cheap affordable car is foreign. Though, at least your argument isn't as bad as other free traitors. You know their are no merits, and won't argue that their are. But you are a blind global capitalist ideologue that puts your suicidal theories before what's best for the nation. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   17:28:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: Thor (#24) Bullshit, you don't have a choice You're a typical fookin retard. We had choices and still do. If I manufacture a widget in Topeka, Kansas, paying a living wage to my workers, and the workers can buy a widget manufactured in Japan for less money and they do, how fookin stupid do you have to be to not realize by buying imported widgets, you are jeopardizing your own employment. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   17:54:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Ibluafartsky (#25) (Edited) No, you are the short sighted one. Stop drinking the GOP kool aid and look at reality. You are looking at the effects of free trade. Such a situation wouldn't exist with tariffs in a protectionist system. Tariffs make it unprofitable to move offshore because off the huge taxes levied on foreign goods brought into the country. Of course, once you eliminate those tariffs, it becomes much more profitable to move to the third world where you can pay mexicans or chinese pennies on the dollar. That is what American manfacturers who wished to go international lobbied for, and they got their wish. Tariffs were what made America strong and built America into an economic superpower. Tariffs protected American jobs and wages from cheap third world labor. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   17:59:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Thor (#26) No, you are the short sighted one. I'll bet you drive an import and are a cheap fooker who buys cheap crap that supports foreign manufacturers. You make the choice to buy or not to buy. Americans support foreign manufacturers. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   18:03:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Ibluafartsky (#27) A cheap fooker? What the hell is a fooker? The fact is, you didn't disprove a single thing I said. The choice Americans have is the same choice we will have in regards to government mandates to buy private insurance. IT isn't a choice when you have a low paying service job when your high oaying manufacturing jobs were shipped overseas due to elimination of tariffs and your choice is between a cheaper foreign car and a more expensive ar that claims to be made in the USA. Bt even if you buy a Ford, it is about as American as a Toyota. Both have assembly plants here, but the fact is most of the parts of your car are made in third world countries like Mexico because with elimination of tariffs it is much cheaper and more profitable for the company to do so. Your pro free trade position is a minority position that is pretty much only held by east coast money managers, neo con academics, GOP and Democratic Leadership, and multinational corporate management. Most americans want renegotiation of trade deals and want fair trade. Thor  posted on  2009-12-22   18:15:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Thor (#28) The fact is, you didn't disprove a single thing I said. You're so fookin stupid you can't comprehend the simple concept of choice. Go ahead and buy imported shit. Then bitch and moan about no jobs! Fookin morons! Free Trade does not inhibit Free Choice, IDIOT! Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-22   18:39:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #71. To: Ibluafartsky (#29) You're so fookin stupid you can't comprehend the simple concept of choice. Really? Tell us about all the choices we have when it comes to buying even simple things like plumbing fittings,nails,tv sets,toasters,etc,etc,etc. The choice is to either buy Chinese junk or not buy anything. sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-23   10:13:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #81. To: sneakypete, All (#71) Really? Tell us about all the choices we have when it comes to buying even simple things like plumbing fittings,nails,tv sets,toasters,etc,etc,etc. Americans preferred to buy cheap imports thus driving US manufacturers out of business or off shore. No one was forced to buy Jap and German cars, Jap electronics or Taiwanese dry goods. Had no one bought there would have been no market. I still refuse to buy cheap imports. Though fighting the tide is nearly impossible as even Pendleton and Filson have been forced to outsource manufacturing to be competetive. Thank you, all you fookin cheap bastards that bought, buy and support cheap import manufacturers!!! You brought unemployment and outsourcing yourselves, you fookin morons! Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-23   18:13:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #87. To: Ibluafartsky (#81) Americans preferred to buy cheap imports thus driving US manufacturers out of business or off shore. I didn't. I still buy American when I have a choice,even if I have to pay slightly more. I no longer even have that option in most cases. For example,I just bought a Quincy 2-stage industrial air compressor. It was made in Quincy,Illinois. Made from parts made in America,not assembled in America out of foreign-made parts. I may be wrong,but I think it is the only air compressors made for consumers that is still made in the US. This wasn't entirely unselfish on my part. The Campbell-Hausfeld 2-stage air compressor that is comparable has a projected pump life of 10,000 hours. The pump on my Quincy is rated to last 50,000 hours. Since I am not running a business where the air compressor will be used 40 hours a week (40 hours a month would be closer,and probably not that often),the 10,000 hour one would last longer than I will,but I paid the extra money and bought the one made in the USA anyhow. Will I pay (for example) $6,000 to $8000 for a car lift made in the USA if I can find a comparable one not built in the USA for $2000? No,I won't. And didn't. Especially when neither of the two USA manufacturers I found producing them even bothered to return my phone calls or emails with a price. This despite in one case calling the one guy 3 times on the same day and leaving messages with his secretary,who told me he was the only one authorized to give out prices. Only a insane man would agree to buy something without knowing what it will cost,including shipping. If this makes me a bad guy,so be it. I do what I can do within my means,but am under no illusions that I am going to save the country with my nickel and dime purchases. sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-23   19:57:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #95. To: sneakypete (#87) If this makes me a bad guy,so be it. I do what I can do within my means,but am under no illusions that I am going to save the country with my nickel and dime purchases. Unfortunately that attitude by the American consumer 50 years ago is what precipitated the demise of US manufacturing. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-23   21:44:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #112. To: Ibluafartsky (#95) If this makes me a bad guy,so be it. I do what I can do within my means,but am under no illusions that I am going to save the country with my nickel and dime purchases. Unfortunately that attitude by the American consumer 50 years ago is what precipitated the demise of US manufacturing. BullBush! If you are trying to make the claim you only buy American made products,you are a liar,and if you are trying to lump me in with the internationalists and others who only care about price and care nothing about country,you are a idiot. sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-24   8:27:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #127. To: sneakypete (#112) BullBush! If you are trying to make the claim you only buy American made products,you are a liar, if you are trying to lump me in with the internationalists I always bought US manufactured products. We still have most of what we bought because the quality held up through use and time. I've got Filson and Pendleton clothing that I've been wearing for 20 or more years. Russell boots resoled two or three times. Fishing and hunting gear, some passed down from my father, boats, motors, trailers, vehicles, motorhomes.....all manufactured right here in the USA! I was willing to pay the extra amount some products cost in the interest of keeping my friends, neighbors and countrymen employed. I don't know where you got the idea. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-25   14:05:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #130. To: Ibluafartsky (#127) I don't know where you got the idea. Unlike you I let reality intrude. Where were your tv sets made? Your tires? Your cell phone? Your coffee pot? sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-25   20:22:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #133. To: sneakypete (#130) Shouldn't you post some pictures of Governor Palin kissing McInsane also "keith"mod 2? Pitiful. Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-26   17:22:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #136. To: Mad Dog (#133) Shouldn't you post some pictures of Governor Palin kissing McInsane also "keith"mod 2? Are there any out there? Is she standing or on her knees? sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-26   17:30:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #140. To: sneakypete (#136) "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) That's an icky one and not going to be easy for palin to live down...along with her path to citizenship crap. e_type_jag  posted on  2009-12-26   21:13:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #142. To: e_type_jag (#140) That's an icky one and not going to be easy for palin to live down...along with her path to citizenship crap. It was the final straw for me. She was under no real obligation to praise him so highly,but she did anyhow. I will not vote for anybody that says they "Adore John McClain and will support him 100%". sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-26   21:25:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 142.         There are no replies to Comment # 142. End Trace Mode for Comment # 142. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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