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Title: Retired CIA Analyst Dragged from Senate Hearing for Exposing Gina Haspel’s War Crimes
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: https://thefreethoughtproject.com/e ... osing-gina-haspels-war-crimes/
Published: May 9, 2018
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2018-05-10 12:50:44 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 6882
Comments: 33

Washington, D.C. — Retired CIA analyst and outspoken antiwar activist, Ray McGovern, who chaired the National Intelligence Estimates and prepared the President’s Daily Brief, was forcibly removed from the United States Senate Intelligence Committee hearing Wednesday as Gina Haspel, the nominee for director of the CIA, was answering questions about her record of torture.

McGovern is a highly decorated CIA analyst who received the Intelligence Commendation Medal at his retirement. He has since become an outspoken antiwar and anti-police state activist and returned the medal in 2006 in protest to the CIA’s involvement in torture.

McGovern is also a veteran of the Vietnam war which adds to his already high level of credibility in speaking out against the system.

During the hearing, McGovern demanded that Haspel answer the questions asked of her about the torture of terrorism suspects at a CIA black site in Thailand. In response to the interruption, the capitol police were called in to drag McGovern out.

As the video shows, within only seconds, he was swarmed by police who shoved him out the door and into the lobby. He was then thrown to the ground as he pleaded with officers not to hurt his dislocated shoulder.

As the struggle to subdue the elderly McGovern continued, police repeatedly yelled, “Stop Resisting,” to which he replied, “I am not.”

Before McGovern was forcibly removed by police, Haspel was interrupted by another protester. This time, it was a lone woman, wearing a red t-shirt and shouting “Bloody Gina!” and “you are a torturer!” She was also removed by police.

According to CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, “Bloody Gina” was a name given to her by her own colleagues in the CIA. According to Kiriakou, Haspel even took part in the torture—because she enjoyed it.

As TFTP reported on Wednesday, Haspel, 62, joined the CIA in 1985 and was named Deputy Group Chief of the agency’s Counterterrorism Center in 2001. She was then assigned to oversee a secret CIA “black site” prison in Thailand in 2002. The prison, code-named “Cat’s Eye,” was one of the locations where alleged Al-Qaeda members were detained and tortured.

In addition to overseeing the torture, Reuters reported that Haspel “carried out an order to destroy videotapes of the waterboarding” and other torture methods, after she was instructed to do so by the Bush Administration.

While Haspel was not mentioned by name, an anonymous female CIA official with her credentials was mentioned in a 2013 report from the Washington Post, which claimed that she was not chosen to lead the agency’s clandestine service, because of her direct involvement in its Bush-era torture programs:

The officer, who is undercover, served as director of the National Clandestine Service on an interim basis over the past two months, and many considered her a front-runner to keep the post, which involves overseeing the CIA’s spying operations worldwide.

But she faced opposition because of her extensive role in an interrogation program that critics have said relied on torture to get information from al-Qaeda captives after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. She had run a secret prison in Thailand where two detainees were subjected to waterboarding and other harsh techniques. She later helped order the destruction of videotapes of those interrogation sessions.”

When retired CIA analysts are being dragged by police out of a Senate hearing for exposing the horrendous crimes of the person being appointed to head the CIA, it speaks to the level of tyranny which has taken hold in America. If you haven’t been, now may be a good time to start paying attention.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

When retired CIA analysts are being dragged by police out of a Senate hearing for exposing the horrendous crimes of the person being appointed to head the CIA, it speaks to the level of tyranny which has taken hold in America. If you haven’t been, now may be a good time to start paying attention.

Nobody has the right to disrupt Congressional hearings by standing up and shouting. That's not the way it works. People who do that, should be forcibly removed.

Nothing prevented the guy from going to the media. He CHOSE to go into Congress and disrupt a hearing. He paid the price.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-10   12:55:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

Nobody has the right to disrupt Congressional hearings by standing up and shouting. That's not the way it works. People who do that, should be forcibly removed.

Nothing prevented the guy from going to the media. He CHOSE to go into Congress and disrupt a hearing. He paid the price.

This isn't about rights. It's about protesting. Had he done as you suggested, we wouldn't have this thread talking about it. Yes he paid a price. but perhaps it was a price worth paying.

Though it's ironic that you'd suggest rights are an issue, as torture is all about depriving people of rights.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-10   16:29:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#3)

Though it's ironic that you'd suggest rights are an issue, as torture is all about depriving people of rights.

No, torture is about forcing enemies to divulge information that we can use to kill their cohorts whom we have not captured.

In war, you kill people. In a conventional war against civilized adversaries, you don't torture people.

But in a war in which savages hide and attack our civilian population by surprise, killing thousands at a time and disrupting forever our way of life, we are going to torture whomever we have to, also lie, manipulate, cheat, steal and do whatever it takes to extract the information we need to hunt down the barbarians who kill our people and kill them first - and kill whomever is helping them, or take their money, or do whatever else we decide is necessary to protect our people.

It's a dirty business, defeating terrorism, but we're down for the job. The alternative is letting it happen again and again and again.

Terrorists have no rights. Not really. We have to pretend they do - if we are public officials. But in truth, not all that many people care what we do to these animals in order to extract the information needed to go kill more of them.

We have not had another major terror attack on US soil since 2001. Seventeen years. The terrorists have gone berserk the world over, doing this and that all over the place. But not here. Not for want of trying. We are very good at torture. We are very good at forcing information out of animals. And we are very good at hunting them down, killing them, or putting pressure on them by threatening the things THEY hold dear.

It's sort of like the way we dealt with the Japanese, in a different time. We were neutral. They attacked us by surprise, and really gave us a good walloping. But at the end we were firebombing, then nuking, their cities, and taking very few prisoners on the islands whence we drove them.

When the War on Terror began, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Sudan, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan and Syria were all fomenting terrorism, or aiding and abetting it, or sheltering terrorists, and Somali piracy was a threat to international shipping.

The governments of Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen and Iraq have been overthrown. The Sudan has been split in two. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have either completely reversed course or become far more cooperative. Syria is no longer exporting terrorism but is, instead, being torn apart by civil war as the animals eat their own kind: it is much better that the agony be inflicted upon the lands where the poisonous snakes live, than that they be permitted to export it here. Russia is the only reason that Syria's terrorist regime is holding on, and it is costing Russia a lot to do so. ISIS has been decimated. Somali pirates have been bodybagged

Iran remains the holdout, but with the revocation of the treaty, Trump has put them on notice that bad things are coming their way. Their officials were boasting that there isn't a damned thing we can do to them.

Wanna bet?

We have more power than we have traditionally used, but we are more willing to use it than people think, particularly under Trump.

Essentially, if your government is providing shelter and aid to terrorists that kill our people, we're going to overthrow your government and murder your operatives, sooner or later. You can count on it. There is no victory against the United States in this war, but there IS victory, in the long term, for us.

The War on Terror is long, but as it has progressed, enemy country after enemy country has been broken and overthrown, torn to pieces. Yes, that inflames passions, but the result has been Muslim terrorists slaughtering other Muslim terrorists, or civilians, in Muslim countries.

We are going to win this in the end. We have progressed a long way. Iraq, today, is a republic that cooperates with us in our systematic elimination of ISIS.

We're not going anyway. And we're not afraid to use torture and every other ruthless and barbaric means you can think of in order to protect our people. We've been doing it for nearly two decades, we will do it until the end of the world, if that is what it takes.

We do not feel guilt about it. And we don't care that other people think we should. We don't. We're not going to.

Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize, and he used drone strikes to systematically wipe out very large numbers of enemies.

Yes, the terrorists are still there, but they are vastly weakened, and the countries that supported them have already been destroyed and overthrown, or are in the process of BEING destroyed right now. We will overthrow Assad, and because Russia threw in with that terrorist, they will lose their only naval base in the Mediterranean, and with the fall of Assad's government, Russia will be thrown completely out of the Mediterranean for the first time in three hundred years.

We cannot be stopped. We cannot be defeated. And we're going to torture whomever we need to torture to defeat the terrorists, until every nation state in the world stops supporting and protecting people who kill our people.

That means that there will be violence in Iran within the next six years.

North Korea is turning away from its own violent past now. Kim Jong Un will bring the war to an end. Which will mean that it took seventy years, but the United States imposed its will on Korea in the end, just as we imposed our will on Russia in the end. Stalin was obdurate, and the rest of the Soviets, but they lost, we won, we stripped them of their empire, even the Ukraine and their internal empire - the Stans.

We don't have to be at war forever, and we wouldn't have entered the war in Europe AT ALL if Hitler hadn't declared war on us. But he did, backing up his Japanese cronies. And thus began the long steady march towards American Imperium and the remaking of the world under American hegemony.

Savages who blow up American people in our home cities will die, and we will torture whomever we have to torture to make sure they can never do that again.

And there is no power in the world that can stop us.

All that the savages can do is bind together to resist us. Which means that it takes a couple of decades to systematically destroy each country in turn, and change them, but that is what we have done, and are still doing.

Muslim fanatics started the war, just like Japanese fanatics, and German fanatics, and Communist fanatics. They all lost. Do not bet against the United States of America. We are comprised of every people on earth, not one particular little inbred culture, and if you kill our people, will will conquer you, force you to kneel, and make you change to no longer be a threat.

That is why the world is as good as it is: because we behave this way.

Muslim terrorists torture people in the service of their non-existent God. We only torture people because they come over here and try to kill us. They do that because they burn with jealous rage that we have what they don't, because our gods and ideas are better. So they cook off and try to destroy. But we're better at destruction too.

So yes, we torture savages who are trying to murder us. And we are effective in extracting information. Which we have used to slaughter them in great numbers. And we will continue to do so until Iran is overthrown - the last domino to fall - and the terrorism has no border behind which to hide, and the Muslims everywhere police their own, reform their religion, and forbid violent jihad against us.

That's the end game: Islam changes and stops fighting us. Shintoism did. Communism did. Naziism did. Fascism did.

Are you enraged? Oh well. Vocalize it, and that's fine. We believe in free speech. Pick up a weapon and attack our people? We will burn your country to the ground and change the survivors into us.

We're very good at this.

Yes, we're evil. Our grandchildren can agonize about the evil we have done during the century of peace that we leave them with because we did it. Same as our forebears who nuked Japan and roasted Dresden, and the ones before that who burned Atlanta and laid a swathe to the sea.

Don't kill our people. Don't sink our ships. Because we are stronger than everybody else, and you will lose. We're not equal, and we never will be. That's the bottom line.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-10   19:03:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Vicomte13, Liberator (#7)

No, torture is about forcing enemies to divulge information that we can use to kill their cohorts whom we have not captured.

In war, you kill people. In a conventional war against civilized adversaries, you don't torture people.

Perhaps I should be flattered that my tiny response generated a couple pages response. But the truth, Vic, it's hard for me to get through the first few paragraphs.

I honestly have a really hard time figuring you out. I guess I'm just mindful of how you claim to be an especially enlightened Christian (correct me if that's inaccurate) and yet you seem frankly to be completely absent of any soul. I can't claim to be christian at this time, but I used to, and I understand what it's about, and christians -- real christains, that is -- are good people who have some kind of compassion and desire to help their fellow man. You, it seems, have equated the kingdom of God with the kingdom of earth, which to me, is an error that anyone completing Christianity 101 recognizes.

This is not to say that there is never a time to kill. I believe there is a time when it is justified, but even then, it is not something to be either celebrated or dismissed lightly, because no matter how necessary deserving it may be, the person dying is still a brother or sister. It is still a soul. And that is something, it seems, you have no clue about. It seems to you these people are simply "savages" as you put it, or since the kingdom of earth IS the kingdom of God (something I recall Jesus is quoted as saying was NOT the case shortly before dying) these people are, for all intents and purposes, demons destined for the lake of fire.

Whatever your brand of Christianity, it is totally foreign to what I used to believe, and also what I believe now which is far superior to any spiritual model that ends up with God burning most everyone for eternity.

Believe what you will, but I suggest you not try to earn any living by trying to evangelize whatever it is you think you understand about God. If I still were a christian, I'd tell you that you don't know the love of Jesus and need to repent before you die or you'll certainly never enter His kingdom. As it is, I'll instead assure you that your intellectual errors are of no concern because God doesn't care about that sort of thing, and you'll be enlightened when you are ready, whether in this life or some future life, but that you are, today, far less wise than you believe yourself to be.

As to the topic being discussed. We are not at formal war, and US foreign policy, including torture, does not rid the world of terrorism, but promotes it. And what it terrorism but another name for a means of fighting for a whatever cause when conventional fighting is not an option? The French Resistance certainly qualified as a terrorist group in the eyes of the occupying Germans.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. And some freedom fighters are in the fight because they lost a friend or relative to US imposing it's foreign policy in their country. And face it / admit it. Your solution, taken to it's logical end, is simply to exterminate any and all people that get in the way of the USA. And if you deny that, I'll consider you a liar.

I mean no offense. It's what I honestly see in you.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-05-10   21:07:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Pinguinite (#13)

I'm just mindful of how you claim to be an especially enlightened Christian (correct me if that's inaccurate)

He won't correct you but I might. Enlightened Christian he is not, nominal Christian he might be. There are some Christians who raise a banner but forget the masters's instructions

paraclete  posted on  2018-05-11   1:08:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: paraclete (#16)

There are some Christians who raise a banner but forget the masters's instructions

And while you're at it, please tell me the proper response of Christians in these three circumstances:

(1) American colonists in 1775, faced with British taxes and British troops marching to seize weapons in a colonial magazine.

(2) Americans in 1850, with regards to slavery in half their country.

(3) Americans in 1940 with regards to the Nazi invasion of France and bombing of London, and the Japanese in China.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-05-11   17:40:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#23. To: Vicomte13 (#21)

So, where do you stand on the death penalty? And on the murder of babies in the womb (abortion)? And on war? And on the use of force in border control and law enforcement?

And while you're at it, please tell me the proper response of Christians in these three circumstances: (1) American colonists in 1775, faced with British taxes and British troops marching to seize weapons in a colonial magazine. (2) Americans in 1850, with regards to slavery in half their country. (3) Americans in 1940 with regards to the Nazi invasion of France and bombing of London, and the Japanese in China.

1. Those who take a life should forfeit their life

2. ditto

3. self defense is one thing preemptive strikes another

4. you are entitled to keep invaders out

1775. the British colonists were rebels and I fully understand why the British didn't want the situation to escalate. There is no difference today for those who possess automatic weapons

1850. a failure of democracy and freedom. Which half are we speaking of?

1940. a failure in morality, the americans did not care what the Nazi were doing

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