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Title: Retired CIA Analyst Dragged from Senate Hearing for Exposing Gina Haspels War Crimes
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Free Thought Project
URL Source: https://thefreethoughtproject.com/e ... osing-gina-haspels-war-crimes/
Published: May 9, 2018
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2018-05-10 12:50:44 by Deckard
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Views: 6826
Comments: 33
Washington, D.C. — Retired CIA analyst and outspoken antiwar activist, Ray McGovern, who chaired the National Intelligence Estimates and prepared the President’s Daily Brief, was forcibly removed from the United States Senate Intelligence Committee hearing Wednesday as Gina Haspel, the nominee for director of the CIA, was answering questions about her record of torture. McGovern is a highly decorated CIA analyst who received the Intelligence Commendation Medal at his retirement. He has since become an outspoken antiwar and anti-police state activist and returned the medal in 2006 in protest to the CIA’s involvement in torture. McGovern is also a veteran of the Vietnam war which adds to his already high level of credibility in speaking out against the system. During the hearing, McGovern demanded that Haspel answer the questions asked of her about the torture of terrorism suspects at a CIA black site in Thailand. In response to the interruption, the capitol police were called in to drag McGovern out. As the video shows, within only seconds, he was swarmed by police who shoved him out the door and into the lobby. He was then thrown to the ground as he pleaded with officers not to hurt his dislocated shoulder. As the struggle to subdue the elderly McGovern continued, police repeatedly yelled, “Stop Resisting,” to which he replied, “I am not.” Before McGovern was forcibly removed by police, Haspel was interrupted by another protester. This time, it was a lone woman, wearing a red t-shirt and shouting “Bloody Gina!” and “you are a torturer!” She was also removed by police. According to CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, “Bloody Gina” was a name given to her by her own colleagues in the CIA. According to Kiriakou, Haspel even took part in the torture—because she enjoyed it. As TFTP reported on Wednesday, Haspel, 62, joined the CIA in 1985 and was named Deputy Group Chief of the agency’s Counterterrorism Center in 2001. She was then assigned to oversee a secret CIA “black site” prison in Thailand in 2002. The prison, code-named “Cat’s Eye,” was one of the locations where alleged Al-Qaeda members were detained and tortured. In addition to overseeing the torture, Reuters reported that Haspel “carried out an order to destroy videotapes of the waterboarding” and other torture methods, after she was instructed to do so by the Bush Administration. While Haspel was not mentioned by name, an anonymous female CIA official with her credentials was mentioned in a 2013 report from the Washington Post, which claimed that she was not chosen to lead the agency’s clandestine service, because of her direct involvement in its Bush-era torture programs: “The officer, who is undercover, served as director of the National Clandestine Service on an interim basis over the past two months, and many considered her a front-runner to keep the post, which involves overseeing the CIA’s spying operations worldwide. But she faced opposition because of her extensive role in an interrogation program that critics have said relied on torture to get information from al-Qaeda captives after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. She had run a secret prison in Thailand where two detainees were subjected to waterboarding and other harsh techniques. She later helped order the destruction of videotapes of those interrogation sessions.” When retired CIA analysts are being dragged by police out of a Senate hearing for exposing the horrendous crimes of the person being appointed to head the CIA, it speaks to the level of tyranny which has taken hold in America. If you haven’t been, now may be a good time to start paying attention.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
Nobody has the right to disrupt Congressional hearings by standing up and shouting. That's not the way it works. People who do that, should be forcibly removed. Nothing prevented the guy from going to the media. He CHOSE to go into Congress and disrupt a hearing. He paid the price.
I Think Liberals prefer Headchoppers Like They wanT To do iT To oThers To Themselves too Uuggghhh If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Nobody has the right to disrupt Congressional hearings by standing up and shouting. That's not the way it works. People who do that, should be forcibly removed. Nothing prevented the guy from going to the media. He CHOSE to go into Congress and disrupt a hearing. He paid the price. This isn't about rights. It's about protesting. Had he done as you suggested, we wouldn't have this thread talking about it. Yes he paid a price. but perhaps it was a price worth paying. Though it's ironic that you'd suggest rights are an issue, as torture is all about depriving people of rights.
So was John Kerry so what?
This is the same guy that voted for Jill Stein. Crazy people with just enough info to be dangerous.
This is insane. Lets tell the world what and where we do stuff. If you remove the ability for government to act against foreign enemies then why would foreign enemies fear America? This would be like no matter what you do we will not attack you!
No, torture is about forcing enemies to divulge information that we can use to kill their cohorts whom we have not captured. In war, you kill people. In a conventional war against civilized adversaries, you don't torture people. But in a war in which savages hide and attack our civilian population by surprise, killing thousands at a time and disrupting forever our way of life, we are going to torture whomever we have to, also lie, manipulate, cheat, steal and do whatever it takes to extract the information we need to hunt down the barbarians who kill our people and kill them first - and kill whomever is helping them, or take their money, or do whatever else we decide is necessary to protect our people. It's a dirty business, defeating terrorism, but we're down for the job. The alternative is letting it happen again and again and again. Terrorists have no rights. Not really. We have to pretend they do - if we are public officials. But in truth, not all that many people care what we do to these animals in order to extract the information needed to go kill more of them. We have not had another major terror attack on US soil since 2001. Seventeen years. The terrorists have gone berserk the world over, doing this and that all over the place. But not here. Not for want of trying. We are very good at torture. We are very good at forcing information out of animals. And we are very good at hunting them down, killing them, or putting pressure on them by threatening the things THEY hold dear. It's sort of like the way we dealt with the Japanese, in a different time. We were neutral. They attacked us by surprise, and really gave us a good walloping. But at the end we were firebombing, then nuking, their cities, and taking very few prisoners on the islands whence we drove them. When the War on Terror began, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Sudan, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan and Syria were all fomenting terrorism, or aiding and abetting it, or sheltering terrorists, and Somali piracy was a threat to international shipping. The governments of Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen and Iraq have been overthrown. The Sudan has been split in two. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have either completely reversed course or become far more cooperative. Syria is no longer exporting terrorism but is, instead, being torn apart by civil war as the animals eat their own kind: it is much better that the agony be inflicted upon the lands where the poisonous snakes live, than that they be permitted to export it here. Russia is the only reason that Syria's terrorist regime is holding on, and it is costing Russia a lot to do so. ISIS has been decimated. Somali pirates have been bodybagged Iran remains the holdout, but with the revocation of the treaty, Trump has put them on notice that bad things are coming their way. Their officials were boasting that there isn't a damned thing we can do to them. Wanna bet? We have more power than we have traditionally used, but we are more willing to use it than people think, particularly under Trump. Essentially, if your government is providing shelter and aid to terrorists that kill our people, we're going to overthrow your government and murder your operatives, sooner or later. You can count on it. There is no victory against the United States in this war, but there IS victory, in the long term, for us. The War on Terror is long, but as it has progressed, enemy country after enemy country has been broken and overthrown, torn to pieces. Yes, that inflames passions, but the result has been Muslim terrorists slaughtering other Muslim terrorists, or civilians, in Muslim countries. We are going to win this in the end. We have progressed a long way. Iraq, today, is a republic that cooperates with us in our systematic elimination of ISIS. We're not going anyway. And we're not afraid to use torture and every other ruthless and barbaric means you can think of in order to protect our people. We've been doing it for nearly two decades, we will do it until the end of the world, if that is what it takes. We do not feel guilt about it. And we don't care that other people think we should. We don't. We're not going to. Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize, and he used drone strikes to systematically wipe out very large numbers of enemies. Yes, the terrorists are still there, but they are vastly weakened, and the countries that supported them have already been destroyed and overthrown, or are in the process of BEING destroyed right now. We will overthrow Assad, and because Russia threw in with that terrorist, they will lose their only naval base in the Mediterranean, and with the fall of Assad's government, Russia will be thrown completely out of the Mediterranean for the first time in three hundred years. We cannot be stopped. We cannot be defeated. And we're going to torture whomever we need to torture to defeat the terrorists, until every nation state in the world stops supporting and protecting people who kill our people. That means that there will be violence in Iran within the next six years. North Korea is turning away from its own violent past now. Kim Jong Un will bring the war to an end. Which will mean that it took seventy years, but the United States imposed its will on Korea in the end, just as we imposed our will on Russia in the end. Stalin was obdurate, and the rest of the Soviets, but they lost, we won, we stripped them of their empire, even the Ukraine and their internal empire - the Stans. We don't have to be at war forever, and we wouldn't have entered the war in Europe AT ALL if Hitler hadn't declared war on us. But he did, backing up his Japanese cronies. And thus began the long steady march towards American Imperium and the remaking of the world under American hegemony. Savages who blow up American people in our home cities will die, and we will torture whomever we have to torture to make sure they can never do that again. And there is no power in the world that can stop us. All that the savages can do is bind together to resist us. Which means that it takes a couple of decades to systematically destroy each country in turn, and change them, but that is what we have done, and are still doing. Muslim fanatics started the war, just like Japanese fanatics, and German fanatics, and Communist fanatics. They all lost. Do not bet against the United States of America. We are comprised of every people on earth, not one particular little inbred culture, and if you kill our people, will will conquer you, force you to kneel, and make you change to no longer be a threat. That is why the world is as good as it is: because we behave this way. Muslim terrorists torture people in the service of their non-existent God. We only torture people because they come over here and try to kill us. They do that because they burn with jealous rage that we have what they don't, because our gods and ideas are better. So they cook off and try to destroy. But we're better at destruction too. So yes, we torture savages who are trying to murder us. And we are effective in extracting information. Which we have used to slaughter them in great numbers. And we will continue to do so until Iran is overthrown - the last domino to fall - and the terrorism has no border behind which to hide, and the Muslims everywhere police their own, reform their religion, and forbid violent jihad against us. That's the end game: Islam changes and stops fighting us. Shintoism did. Communism did. Naziism did. Fascism did. Are you enraged? Oh well. Vocalize it, and that's fine. We believe in free speech. Pick up a weapon and attack our people? We will burn your country to the ground and change the survivors into us. We're very good at this. Yes, we're evil. Our grandchildren can agonize about the evil we have done during the century of peace that we leave them with because we did it. Same as our forebears who nuked Japan and roasted Dresden, and the ones before that who burned Atlanta and laid a swathe to the sea. Don't kill our people. Don't sink our ships. Because we are stronger than everybody else, and you will lose. We're not equal, and we never will be. That's the bottom line.
You torture savages in order to gather evidence on their intent, as if you didn't know their intent. Do not justify the terrorist acts of the US, a drone strike is no different to a suicide bomb. You speak about fanatics, speak about the fanatic in the White House. No one really knows what he is capable of yet, but he is not as reasoned as those who came before him
He was not thrown out for the content of his shouting. He could just as well have stood up and started shouting a recitation of the phone book and he would have just as properly been thrown out for disrupting the proceedings.
Ok. I like him. I support him. I think he's great. I agree with almost all of his policy initiatives. I approve of his job so far. I think that we're going to get a peaceful settlement with North Korea, and a rip-roaring economy, all because of him, specifically. Nobody else had the vision or the leadership ability to do any of it. Either Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton would have been Obama's third term. And that would have meant more stagnation.
We torture savages to gain information about their associates, their whereabouts and plans.
Haven't you gotten it yet? Why according to the warmongers here, it's only a war crime when other countries use torture and bomb innocent civilians.
Perhaps I should be flattered that my tiny response generated a couple pages response. But the truth, Vic, it's hard for me to get through the first few paragraphs. I honestly have a really hard time figuring you out. I guess I'm just mindful of how you claim to be an especially enlightened Christian (correct me if that's inaccurate) and yet you seem frankly to be completely absent of any soul. I can't claim to be christian at this time, but I used to, and I understand what it's about, and christians -- real christains, that is -- are good people who have some kind of compassion and desire to help their fellow man. You, it seems, have equated the kingdom of God with the kingdom of earth, which to me, is an error that anyone completing Christianity 101 recognizes. This is not to say that there is never a time to kill. I believe there is a time when it is justified, but even then, it is not something to be either celebrated or dismissed lightly, because no matter how necessary deserving it may be, the person dying is still a brother or sister. It is still a soul. And that is something, it seems, you have no clue about. It seems to you these people are simply "savages" as you put it, or since the kingdom of earth IS the kingdom of God (something I recall Jesus is quoted as saying was NOT the case shortly before dying) these people are, for all intents and purposes, demons destined for the lake of fire. Whatever your brand of Christianity, it is totally foreign to what I used to believe, and also what I believe now which is far superior to any spiritual model that ends up with God burning most everyone for eternity. Believe what you will, but I suggest you not try to earn any living by trying to evangelize whatever it is you think you understand about God. If I still were a christian, I'd tell you that you don't know the love of Jesus and need to repent before you die or you'll certainly never enter His kingdom. As it is, I'll instead assure you that your intellectual errors are of no concern because God doesn't care about that sort of thing, and you'll be enlightened when you are ready, whether in this life or some future life, but that you are, today, far less wise than you believe yourself to be. As to the topic being discussed. We are not at formal war, and US foreign policy, including torture, does not rid the world of terrorism, but promotes it. And what it terrorism but another name for a means of fighting for a whatever cause when conventional fighting is not an option? The French Resistance certainly qualified as a terrorist group in the eyes of the occupying Germans. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. And some freedom fighters are in the fight because they lost a friend or relative to US imposing it's foreign policy in their country. And face it / admit it. Your solution, taken to it's logical end, is simply to exterminate any and all people that get in the way of the USA. And if you deny that, I'll consider you a liar. I mean no offense. It's what I honestly see in you.
Vicomte13 is filled with a hot bag of aire.
So you approve of changing one enemy for another. Trump has infuriated Iran by going back on a deal, Missiles were not part of the agreement so why not start new negotiations rather than taking everything back to scratch
He won't correct you but I might. Enlightened Christian he is not, nominal Christian he might be. There are some Christians who raise a banner but forget the masters's instructions
Yes, that works. It is best that they not take it to that extreme, of course. The Italians, Germans, Japanese, Koreans and Iraqis are all much better off BECAUSE they submitted, rather than fighting to the bitter end. The Old Confederacy was set back 100 years in its development because it fought much longer and harder than was reasonable. Certain Indian tribes fought to the bitter end, so they're gone. The more sensible ones submitted. The only place where the US truly failed was in Vietnam. That was a disaster. But we failed there because we did not use ENOUGH force, and were unwilling to pull out all the stops and go total. So we lost. Vietnam would be like South Korea or Japan by now had we gone total and won it.
Define "soul".
Buckeroo is a poor speller.
I see. So, where do you stand on the death penalty? And on the murder of babies in the womb (abortion)? And on war? And on the use of force in border control and law enforcement?
And while you're at it, please tell me the proper response of Christians in these three circumstances: (1) American colonists in 1775, faced with British taxes and British troops marching to seize weapons in a colonial magazine. (2) Americans in 1850, with regards to slavery in half their country. (3) Americans in 1940 with regards to the Nazi invasion of France and bombing of London, and the Japanese in China.
No. Oppressors and terrorists need to be destroyed. If Kim makes peace, then we have peace and save a lot of money. The Iranian mullah's pour money into terrorism. Money is fungible. We should not be sending billions to finance terrorism.
And while you're at it, please tell me the proper response of Christians in these three circumstances: (1) American colonists in 1775, faced with British taxes and British troops marching to seize weapons in a colonial magazine. (2) Americans in 1850, with regards to slavery in half their country. (3) Americans in 1940 with regards to the Nazi invasion of France and bombing of London, and the Japanese in China. 1. Those who take a life should forfeit their life 2. ditto 3. self defense is one thing preemptive strikes another 4. you are entitled to keep invaders out 1775. the British colonists were rebels and I fully understand why the British didn't want the situation to escalate. There is no difference today for those who possess automatic weapons 1850. a failure of democracy and freedom. Which half are we speaking of? 1940. a failure in morality, the americans did not care what the Nazi were doing
Are you enraged? Oh well. Vocalize it, and that's fine. We believe in free speech. Pick up a weapon and attack our people? We will burn your country to the ground and change the survivors into us. We're very good at this. Yes, we're evil. Our grandchildren can agonize about the evil we have done during the century of peace that we leave them with because we did it. Same as our forebears who nuked Japan and roasted Dresden, and the ones before that who burned Atlanta and laid a swathe to the sea. Yes, we're very good at taking an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.. And up to that point I fully agree with your essay.. But I disagree that we are evil.. ---- "our forebears who nuked Japan and roasted Dresden, and the ones before that who burned Atlanta and laid a swathe to the sea", --- were not evil, they did what they had to do, --- to defeat evil people. Cause and effect are truths that work..
Vicomte13: Buckeroo is a poor speller. OK ... you are a gasbag; lets leave it at that.
Nah. This is a chatsite. On chatsites, people chat. They state their opinions. I state mine. You obviously don't agree with me on much, so you state your opinion, which is to malign me. That is your right. For me to stop being a "gasbag" in your estimation, I would have to stop posting. Nah. I'll just have to live with your poor opinion of me. I won't be losing sleep over it.
When you say that those who take a life should forfeit their lives, who or what is the mechanism for determining responsibility, who or what administers death to killers, and who or what gives them the authority to kill? Should the Americans have killed the slaveowners earlier in our history? Did the Americans have the right to kill the British soldiers? Did Americans have the right to kill Germans and Japanese to stop them before either of them attacked the USA directly (recall, please, that you said that self-defense is one thing, pre-emptive strikes another - so on what moral grounds would it have been ok for the Americans to pre-emptive strike against the Third Reich before the Third Reich declared war on America?)
so many questions but you seem to be confused Should the Americans have killed the slave owners earlier in our history? Quite possibly where it could be shown that they had killed slaves or used cruel punishment, but there are courts so lynch mob mentality should not be allowed to reign Did the Americans have the right to kill the British soldiers? No, not where they were not directly defending themselves, they were in rebellion against established authority. Rights don't come into it Did Americans have the right to kill Germans and Japanese to stop them before either of them attacked the USA directly. America had the right to defend itself, the Japanese attack was a preemptive strike which the americans had little direct evidence of. Where a war is declared there are obviously actions that need to be taken The americans did not have a right of preemptive strike against the Third Reich. War was declared on Germany because Germany was allied with the Japanese The only moral grounds for war is when you are attacked, What George Bush did was morally incorrect. Look God gave us an instruction. It was plain and unambiguous, and man has been working to circumvent the instruction ever since
America did not declare war on Germany. On December 8th we declared war on Japan. On December 10th, Hitler declared war on us, and we reciprocated. Had Hitler NOT declared war on us, we would probably not have declared war on Germany, at least not in December, 1941, but would have focused on Japan. The war in Europe would have gone on longer than it did. But Hitler was a boob, so fortunately the US was dragged in by him.
Was it plain and unambiguous? It was "He who sheds blood, by man shall his blood be shed." That was the instruction God gave mankind. Then, at the end, in Heaven, Jesus twice told John that killers will be left outside of the City after final judgment, and/or thrown into the lake of fire. Killer/murderer...is there a difference? People play around with the Hebrew and Greek word, to make it say what they want. God said that man was not to shed man's blood. That is less than killing, so when we read "kill", that is the better read. So, did God authorize men to kill other men to enforce human political law? No, he didn't. He forbade it. Try to make that work, given the ways our civilization is structured.
Ha ha That reminds me of this
In my context, "moral compass". A complete lack of discernment of spiritual right and wrong.
Well that's just peachy. Because as we all know, Christianity is all about having the highest standard of living possible. Nothing makes God angrier than having to see His people have to live without flat panel TV's, smart phones and all manner of modern conveniences. The sight of people living simple lives having to make do without washing machines and even electricity is really offends Him, so yes, destroying countries and killing some of their native population off so that the children of their survivors can live in luxury is a worthwhile, Christian cause, and if that means annihilating their entire people from the planet, then that is God's will. Of course this means that some of them who otherwise would have a chance to hear the Gospel and be saved will instead, under Christian dogma, be cast into the eternal lake of fire, but hey, if you want to make an omelet, you gotta crack some eggs!!! Christianity was never billed as an easy life to walk, afterall. And turning the sarcasm off (or does the above even qualify as sarcasm? Maybe not), I'd suggest that you find an alternate belief system that conforms with what you honestly believe. Because you certainly don't believe in Christianity. And you know, between the two of us, I am the one who could afford to believe in world domination at the point of a sword, because I believe in reincarnation, so those who die in such national conflicts do not perish forever. But not even I hold that as an excuse to destroy the world to try to make it "better". But you don't have that luxury. You willingly condone the premature deaths of people living in their native lands even knowing (actually believing) that many or most will burn forever as an indirect result. But that is a cost you are willing to make others pay in the name of modern convenience. It's so very, very, very pathetic, Vic. Very sad, and very pathetic.
When retired CIA analysts are being dragged by police out of a Senate hearing for exposing the horrendous crimes of the person being appointed to head the CIA, it speaks to the level of tyranny which has taken hold in America. If you haven’t been, now may be a good time to start paying attention.
#2. To: Deckard (#0)
boris
#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
#4. To: Deckard (#0)
McGovern is also a veteran of the Vietnam war which adds to his already high level of credibility in speaking out against the system.
#5. To: Deckard (#0)
#6. To: Deckard (#0)
During the hearing, McGovern demanded that Haspel answer the questions asked of her about the torture of terrorism suspects at a CIA black site in Thailand. In response to the interruption, the capitol police were called in to drag McGovern out.
#7. To: Pinguinite (#3)
Though it's ironic that you'd suggest rights are an issue, as torture is all about depriving people of rights.
#8. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
So yes, we torture savages
#9. To: Deckard (#0)
Retired CIA Analyst Dragged from Senate Hearing for Exposing Gina Haspel’s War Crimes
#10. To: paraclete (#8)
You speak about fanatics, speak about the fanatic in the White House.
#11. To: paraclete (#8)
You torture savages in order to gather evidence on their intent, as if you didn't know their intent.
#12. To: paraclete (#8)
Do not justify the terrorist acts of the US, a drone strike is no different to a suicide bomb.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#13. To: Vicomte13, Liberator (#7)
No, torture is about forcing enemies to divulge information that we can use to kill their cohorts whom we have not captured.
In war, you kill people. In a conventional war against civilized adversaries, you don't torture people.
#14. To: Pinguinite, Vicomte13 (#13)
I mean no offense. It's what I honestly see in you.
#15. To: Vicomte13 (#10)
I support him. I think he's great. I agree with almost all of his policy initiatives. I approve of his job so far. I think that we're going to get a peaceful settlement with North Korea, and a rip-roaring economy,
#16. To: Pinguinite (#13)
I'm just mindful of how you claim to be an especially enlightened Christian (correct me if that's inaccurate)
#17. To: Pinguinite (#13)
Your solution, taken to it's logical end, is simply to exterminate any and all people that get in the way of the USA. And if you deny that, I'll consider you a liar.
#18. To: Pinguinite (#13)
I guess I'm just mindful of how you claim to be an especially enlightened Christian (correct me if that's inaccurate) and yet you seem frankly to be completely absent of any soul.
#19. To: buckeroo (#14)
Vicomte13 is filled with a hot bag of aire.
#20. To: paraclete (#16)
Enlightened Christian he is not, nominal Christian he might be. There are some Christians who raise a banner but forget the masters's instructions
#21. To: paraclete (#16)
There are some Christians who raise a banner but forget the masters's instructions
#22. To: paraclete (#15)
So you approve of changing one enemy for another.
#23. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
So, where do you stand on the death penalty? And on the murder of babies in the womb (abortion)? And on war? And on the use of force in border control and law enforcement?
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
That's the end game: Islam changes and stops fighting us. Shintoism did. Communism did. Naziism did. Fascism did.
#25. To: Vicomte13, Pinguinite (#19)
buckeroo: Vicomte13 is filled with a hot bag of aire.
#26. To: buckeroo (#25)
OK ... you are a gasbag; lets leave it at that.
#27. To: paraclete (#23)
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#28. To: Vicomte13 (#27)
(Edited)
#29. To: paraclete (#28)
The americans did not have a right of preemptive strike against the Third Reich. War was declared on Germany because Germany was allied with the Japanese
#30. To: paraclete (#28)
Look God gave us an instruction. It was plain and unambiguous, and man has been working to circumvent the instruction ever since
#31. To: nolu chan (#9)
He could just as well have stood up and started shouting a recitation of the phone book
#32. To: Vicomte13 (#18)
I guess I'm just mindful of how you claim to be an especially enlightened Christian (correct me if that's inaccurate) and yet you seem frankly to be completely absent of any soul.
Define "soul".
#33. To: Vicomte13 (#17)
Your solution, taken to it's logical end, is simply to exterminate any and all people that get in the way of the USA. And if you deny that, I'll consider you a liar.
Yes, that works. It is best that they not take it to that extreme, of course. The Italians, Germans, Japanese, Koreans and Iraqis are all much better off BECAUSE they submitted, rather than fighting to the bitter end.
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