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Title: Police Cadets Quit, Expose Departmant for Training Cops to View Public as ‘Cockroaches’ They’re at War With
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: https://thefreethoughtproject.com/p ... e-warriors-against-the-public/
Published: May 1, 2018
Author: Jack Burns
Post Date: 2018-05-02 05:23:12 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 1344
Comments: 14

Nearly a dozen police recruits quit their training program and are now calling out the department for trying to teach them aggressive tactics that do not serve or protect the public.

It takes at least four years of college for an enlisted person in the military to become a military “officer,” which is quite a contrast from the mere nine months it takes for a police officer to earn the title. But according to a group of 10 former Austin Police Department recruits who wanted to become peace officers, just like the military, the Austin PD is training  “warriors” instead of “guardians.

The former recruits are now blowing the whistle and claiming that the type of mentality they encountered is not what they signed up for and is not representative of the greater Austin community. KVUE writes:

Summer Spisak, a 38-year-old former tech employee who participated in nine weeks of the eight-month academy last year, said instructors told her and other cadets they would “punch them in the face” if they said they wanted to be police officers to help people.

Spisak and others are now sounding the alarm for the public, saying police are being trained to view community members as the enemy and not as their fellow citizens. “It’s so different from what is portrayed…It’s so different from my expectation of the Austin Police Department,” Spisak concluded.

KVUE continued by describing another former recruit’s observations of the police training currently being implemented at the Austin PD:

Jonathan Murray, who now works in sales for Dell, said instructors repeatedly degraded the homeless and prostitutes, referring to them as “cockroaches” and suggesting they “find a transient” if they were bored and wanted a felony arrest.

Viewing sex workers as insects and the homeless as potential targets for prosecution differs vastly from the generalized public perception of officers as those who are sworn to “protect and serve” members of the community. According to the former recruits, officers of the peace should have a “guardian” mentality as opposed to the “warrior” mindset the recruits and graduates are being taught to possess.

Both Spisak and Murray joined eight others who voiced their concerns in a letter to two different news agencies. Their objections were met, predictably, with denial by Austin’s Chief of Police, Brian Manley, who claims his cadets are trained to be both guardians and warriors.

We train our officers at the Austin Police Department to be guardians, but to have the ability in the moment to become a warrior when it is necessary…Law enforcement is a profession where you have situations where you have to go in and use force to protect yourself or the community, but the vast majority of the work we do requires that guardian mindset—that guardian training.

Part of the motivation, it seems, to train police to be warriors comes from the false perception that there is a war raging against law enforcement. There are absolutely zero statistics to support the claim that there is a “War on Cops” at work on the streets of America.

While there are less than 75 officers who are killed by bad guys with guns each year, more officer deaths are attributed to suicides than homicide and vehicle accidents—combined. Therefore, there is hardly any justification to train police to become warriors, critics would likely contend. Instead, responsible academy training should understandably focus more on preventing suicides and depression than learning the public is the enemy to be referred to as cockroaches.

Much of the criticism involving police officer training undoubtedly comes from the teachings of Ret. Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, as The Free Thought Project has reported. His lectures on “Killology” are routinely given to law enforcement leaders throughout the country. If any single police officer trainer can be credited with promulgating the “warrior” mindset throughout the nation’s law enforcement agencies, it is Grossman, through his instruction and speaking engagements.

Josh Eels of the Men’s Journal had an opportunity to attend one of Grossman’s lectures and interview the controversial police trainer. Eels said Grossman grossly exaggerated the notion that police are engaged in a war on the streets of the United States. Claiming, like other national leaders have done, the streets of America are more dangerous than they have ever been, Grossman encourages recruits to study how to kill and when to kill.

But his facts are simply false. Not only is violent crime lower than it was in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but fewer police officers are being killed now, compared to the days of alcohol prohibition. Eels writes:

Over the past two years, he has spoken to more than 100 departments around the country. There’s probably no one in America who trains more cops; there’s almost certainly no one who trains cops who is better known.

Grossman and all he represents, in the eyes of many, is precisely what is wrong with police academy training today. Police officers number almost one million strong in the U.S., yet the pervasive view among many police officers—as well as their supporters—is as one unnamed military veteran told TFTP this week, the people they serve are “evil” and the work of law enforcement is “righteous.

What the former recruits are disgusted with boils down to the “Us vs. Them” mentality whereby an officer’s loyalty is to the department and his fellow boys in blue, rather than protecting the interests of the public at large.

Amid all of the warrior, righteous war talk, there are a few police officers who are starting to wake up and unplug from the mindset and who are beginning to think for themselves. Officers are starting to realize the civil asset forfeiture schemes, ticket quotas, arrests for “resisting arrest,” and jailing individuals for being poor (because they cannot pay their fines) ultimately work against a free society and do not jive with what they thought they were signing up to become.

Now it seems even police officer recruits, at least in Austin, are quitting the program before being given the prestigious title of “officer” without rightfully earning it, all because they say the system is corrupt, abusive, and coercive.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

It takes at least four years of college for an enlisted person in the military to become a military “officer,”

No,it doesn't. Only takes a couple of months if you qualify to go to Officer Candidates School. The only catch is you have to be mentally and physically fit,and the superiors that approve your application have to think you would make a good officer.

No big deal if you are going to be an officer in the Quartermaster Corps,for example,but leadership qualities and intelligence under pressure are VERY important if you are going for a commission in a combat arms branch.

Remember,some of the people that have to approve your application understand that a day will come when THEY will be under YOUR command. This crap doesn't happen in a vacuum. The NCO's that you work for and with,as well as the officers most responsible for the section you work in are consulted and have to agree to send you or you don't go.

I personally know of enlisted swine that were asked to apply for OCS and refused because they would rather be NCO's. Yeah,officers are in overall charge,but NCO's are where the rubber meets the road.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-02   8:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: sneakypete (#1)

No,it doesn't. Only takes a couple of months if you qualify to go to Officer Candidates School.

Well, you do have to have a college degree to be an officer. The Air Force OTS takes 3 months to complete, and it is probably the shortest and easiest school to get through.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-05-02   8:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: no gnu taxes (#2)

Well, you do have to have a college degree to be an officer.

No,you don't. Graduating from Officer Candidate School also makes you an officer.

Show me ONE college or university that teaches how to command troops in combat.

I was offered the chance to go to OCS and all I had was a GED. I talked with the officers in my company about life as an officer,and decided I would rather be a NCO. NCO's aren't required to attend parties,and their wives aren't required to join the NCO Wives Club. That's just the beginning of the things I didn't like.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-02   17:31:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: sneakypete (#3)

Universities don't teach you how to be an officer unless you go through an ROTC program.

I think "battle field commissions" disappeared a long time ago.

I went through Air Force OTS in 1983. I had to prove I had a college degree.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-05-02   17:41:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: no gnu taxes (#4)

I think "battle field commissions" disappeared a long time ago.

You think wrong.

I went through Air Force OTS in 1983. I had to prove I had a college degree.

Which is why you know nothing about troop command positions in combat. The US Army and the USMC have different leadership needs than the USAF,the USCG,or the US Navy. Needs that require ingrained instincts that can benefit from training,but the training is secondary to the natural ability.

Do NOT take this personally because it is NOT a slam on non-US Army or non-USMC service branches,but The USAF needs techs and professors in leadership positions,while the USA and the USMC need warriors.

Yes,there are exceptions. Many,many exceptions. For example,if someone has a college degree in accounting,he or she can just step right into uniform and step right into an executive position in ALL the service branches. Yes,including the USA and the USMC.

On the other hand,you don't need a college degree to lead men in ground combat. You need instincts and stones. You MUST have an aggressive "take charge" personality,and you MUST be able to make snap live and death positions on your feet and under pressure. Show me a college that can teach this.

Troop leadership is a world of it's own.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-02   19:55:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete (#5)

I never claimed to be any kind of expert in warfare.

Who is the latest military officer to have gotten that because of a battle field commission?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-05-02   20:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: no gnu taxes (#6)

I never claimed to be any kind of expert in warfare.

Yet you seem to be claiming to be an expert on battlefield commissions in the US Army and the USMC.

Who is the latest military officer to have gotten that because of a battle field commission?

Beats me. You seem to be the self-styled expert on all things "officer",so why don't you tell me?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-03   18:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#7)

Yet you seem to be claiming to be an expert on battlefield commissions in the US Army and the USMC.

Never claimed that at all.

If you can give me some examples of battlefield commissions in the last 40 years, I will gladly admit I am wrong.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-05-03   18:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: no gnu taxes (#8)

If you can give me some examples of battlefield commissions in the last 40 years, I will gladly admit I am wrong.

Thus implying I am lying or don't know what I am talking about because the Air Force doesn't go on battlefields in order to get battlefield commissions.

I tell ya what,bubba. Since you obviously want to hint that I am a liar,click on the link below,and then read it and weep.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Does+the+ARMY+still+award+battlefield+commissions%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-03   19:07:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#9)

I already looked at that, and I still can't find a record of anyone in modern history receiving one.

They stopped the practice during Vietnam, but revived it during the Iraq War. I don't find any instances of someone actually receiving one though.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-05-04   5:33:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: no gnu taxes (#10) (Edited)

Duplicate post

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-04   9:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: no gnu taxes (#10) (Edited)

They stopped the practice during Vietnam, but revived it during the Iraq War. I don't find any instances of someone actually receiving one though.

That means they haven't done it YET,not that they CAN'T do it.

"BIG" Army and USMC don't like doing it because they are ran by the snobs from the service branch trade schools. Anybody that has ever been around these people know they are a tribe that protects and promotes each other. I have seen "Ring Knockers" not only get away with crap that a Reserve Officer would be shown the door for,but even promoted to a higher position so they would never been in a position to do the same screw up again.

I know of a LTC with political connections that actually broke into a E-8's home to confiscate his weapons and ammunition,and then dropped them into Mott Lake on Bragg. SOB was a radial anti-gunner from Mass with political connections. The E-8 had been arrested for drunk driving and was in the hold tank in Fayetteville while he and his CSM did the dirty deeds.

The E-8 made a deal with the army. Instant retirement at the grade of E-8 in exchange for not filing theft/B&E charges. The CSM was forced into retirement also,and the LTC got trasfered to Thailand for his sins,and came back a year later as a full Colonel. Last I heard he had been transferred to the Pentagram and given a star.

I was working as an civilian advisor to SFTG at the time,and the ignorant SOB thought he could run his mouth at me like he did with the NCO's that worked for him at a briefing one day,and I went after his ass. I was grabbed by several NCO's to keep me from continuing the attack. Nobody had to hold him back. He just stood there with a stunned look on his face. That was the last time I ever worked for SWC.

If there was ever an arrogant SOB in uniform that needed his head tuned up,it was that SOB.

He was even worse than Splash Kelly,another "Boston Colonel with political connections",and I didn't think that was possible. BTW,neither Splash or that turd graduated from a service trade school. Both had college degrees and were Reserve officers who had retired from their prime jobs,and decided they wanted to be Generals so they used their political connections to come back on active duty as Special Forces officers despite being completely unqualified. Splash wasn't even parachute-qualifed when he came back on active duty as a full Colonel and was given command of the 1st SFG on Okinawa as his "training command" to prepare him for "greater glory" as the commander of the 5th SFG in VN. He had a grand total of 1 year in SF as a group commander when he was transferred to VN to take over control of the 5th. Prior to that he had been a senior officer in the Boston PD,and was retired from the Boston PD.

BTW,he was brought back on active duty to take command of the 1st,when the 1st already had Medal of Honor awardee and career SF officer LTC Ola Mize as one of the company commanders there. Ola was a 19 year old Master Sgt during the Korean War,where he earned his MOH and battlefield commission. If you want to be impressed,read his MoH award. He was my company commander on Okinawa,and one of the nicest and most honorable man you could ever hope to meet.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-04   10:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#12)

"BIG" Army and USMC don't like doing it because they are ran by the snobs from the service branch trade schools. Anybody that has ever been around these people know they are a tribe that protects and promotes each other.

I have no doubt there is truth in that.

The DoD claims there were no battlefield commissions during Vietnam.

Some generals have stated that actually there were about 60-80 (although nobody can state who they were). That compares to around 25,000 during WWII.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-05-04   10:45:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: no gnu taxes (#13)

The DoD claims there were no battlefield commissions during Vietnam.

Look up Colonel Robert Howard.

https://www.sofmag.com/sogs-fiercest-warrior-colonel-robert-l-howard/

BTW,I first met Bob when he was the E6 or E7 (I forget which,now) First Sergeant of Recon Company at Kontum. It was Bob that gave us our initial briefing about the missions we would be running,and who asked us where we wanted to be assigned. Most wanted recon team duty,but some wanted to work with the platoons.

I was also friends with Joe Walker,and Joe did NOT say "You sweet son of a gun!" when Bob was feeling his way up his legs to see who it was,and if he was alive. Close,but no cigar. He then accused Bob of trying to cop a feel.

Bob was something special,period. So was Joe Walker,when it comes to that.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-05-04   20:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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