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Title: Calexit gets go-ahead to start collecting signatures
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... art-collecting-signatures.html
Published: Apr 24, 2018
Author: Barnini Chakraborty
Post Date: 2018-04-24 17:25:14 by Justified
Keywords: None
Views: 3086
Comments: 33

Advocates who want California to secede from the rest of the United States were given the green light Monday to begin collecting signatures for their initiative.

California’s Secretary of State Alex Padilla announced the ballot proposal had been cleared.

The latest measure would ask voters in 2020 to decide whether to open up a secession discussion. If passed, a second election would be held a year later asking voters to affirm the decision and become an independent country.

Advocates have until mid-October to gather 365,880 signatures of registered voters to get it on the ballot.

Marcus Ruiz Evans and Louis J. Marinelli, co-founders of the group Yes California, said the second vote would show that Californians are serious about secession and would strengthen the case for foreign governments to recognize the state’s independence.

“We realize it may seem like a long time to wait,” Marinelli told The Times of San Diego. “But we need time to have a serious dialogue with the people of California about why they should support the independence referendum by voting yes. The voters need to make an informed decision when they go to the polls to determine California’s political future.”

There have been multiple efforts in the past for California to break away from the rest of America. They have either been withdrawn or failed to gather the signatures required to advance.

As the Yes California group gears up, another initiative to break up California into three separate states is also taking shape. That plan, backed by Silicon Valley billionaire Tim Draper, would create a northern California state with San Francisco at its core, another state near Los Angeles and a third that covers the Central Valley as well as San Diego.

And if that were not enough, there’s yet another proposal in play known as “New California” that would cut out rural counties and make them into individual states.

The founders of New California describe the rest of California as “ungovernable.”

“The current state of California has become governed by a tyranny,” the group declared in an online statement.

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#5. To: Justified (#0)

I'd welcome it. I think the US should be broken into about 5 - 6 different countries.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-04-24   21:13:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#5)

I think the US should be broken into about 5 - 6 different countries.

Terrible idea, seeing that our Republic of States United is the only hope in the world that men will ever learn to live together peacefully..

In fact, I think that if Canada and Mexico were smart, they would break up into say seven States each, and join into a United States of North America, under our Constitution...

tpaine  posted on  2018-04-24   22:03:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: tpaine (#6)

Terrible idea, seeing that our Republic of States United is the only hope in the world that men will ever learn to live together peacefully..

Seeing what we've done to a number of countries around the world, I can't agree that we've been very much of an example of how to "live together peacefully".

And I don't think too many countries would want to join the union as a state unless they would somehow be exempt from helping to pay down the national debt that they had no part in creating.

That's one thing about succession. If a state did want to succeed, what happens to their share of the US national debt? Is it off-loaded to the remaining 49?

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-04-24   22:15:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite (#7)

Other than the civil war, (brought on by States that ignored our Constitution), I think we've done pretty good on living together peacefully.

And I'd bet that plenty of States in the world would join us, if we'd let them... -- Regardless of our debts, which will never be paid.

We will never let a State succeed, imo...

tpaine  posted on  2018-04-24   23:04:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: tpaine, Pinguinite (#9)

Other than the civil war, (brought on by States that ignored our Constitution), I think we've done pretty good on living together peacefully.

What provisions of the Constitution were ignored by States, thereby bringing about the civil war?

Please specify or quote Article, Section, Clause; or Amendment, Clause.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-04-25   17:38:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: nolu chan (#14) (Edited)

What provisions of the Constitution were ignored by States, thereby bringing about the civil war?

Please specify or quote Article, Section, Clause; or Amendment, Clause.

Hey, -- good to see you posting again, even if you are a bit demanding about it.

Would you admit they ignored the basic human rights of slaves, as enumerated in our Constitution? -- Probably not, but in any case I am not obligated to " specify or quote Article, Section, Clause; or Amendment, Clause", even through you wrote please....

Also, I blame the slave States officials for violating their oaths to honor and defend the constitution of the USA.

Are you defending the confederate concept?

And, if you have time, I'd appreciate any comment on the thread:--- Suicide of the West HOW THE REBIRTH OF TRIBALISM, POPULISM, NATIONALISM, AND IDENTITY POLITICS IS DESTROYING AMERICAN DEMOCRACY By JONAH GOLDBERG ....

Thanks.

tpaine  posted on  2018-04-25   18:16:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: tpaine (#17)

What provisions of the Constitution were ignored by States, thereby bringing about the civil war?

Please specify or quote Article, Section, Clause; or Amendment, Clause.

Hey, -- good to see you posting again, even if you are a bit demanding about it.

Asking you to please cite the textual content of the Constitution that you claim was ignored, thereby bringing about the Civil War, does not seem very demanding.

Would you admit they ignored the basic human rights of slaves, as enumerated in our Constitution? -- Probably not, but in any case I am not obligated to " specify or quote Article, Section, Clause; or Amendment, Clause", even through you wrote please....

Would you please cite the textual content of the Constitution that you claim enumerated the basic human rights of slaves?

Please specify or quote Article, Section, Clause; or Amendment, Clause.

I will cite and quote a few provisions of the Constitution. Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3, known as The Fugitive Slave Clause, spoke clearly to the purported rights of slaves. Slaves who ran away to a free state were required to be delivered up on claim. They were not to be considered as having been discharged from teir service or labor.

I am unaware of the provision or provisions of the Constitution which enumerated the basic human rights of slaves.

Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3:

No person held to service or labor in one state, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 1:

The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person.

Article V:

... no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article....

Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:

Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. ...

Article III, Section 2, Clause 1:

The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;—to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;—to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;—to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;—to controversies between two or more states;—between a state and citizens of another state;—between citizens of different states;—between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-04-26   13:05:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: nolu chan (#22) (Edited)

I am unaware of the provision or provisions of the Constitution whi whi whi whi which enumerated the basic human rights of slaves.

Correct. Because of that, the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments were passed which freed the slaves, gave them the right to vote, and extended to them the privileges and immunities held by citizens of the United States.

States, not the federal government, protected the rights of their Citizens. If any state wished to extend the protection of those rights to slaves they were free to do so. Or not.

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