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Title: Calexit gets go-ahead to start collecting signatures
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... art-collecting-signatures.html
Published: Apr 24, 2018
Author: Barnini Chakraborty
Post Date: 2018-04-24 17:25:14 by Justified
Keywords: None
Views: 3082
Comments: 33

Advocates who want California to secede from the rest of the United States were given the green light Monday to begin collecting signatures for their initiative.

California’s Secretary of State Alex Padilla announced the ballot proposal had been cleared.

The latest measure would ask voters in 2020 to decide whether to open up a secession discussion. If passed, a second election would be held a year later asking voters to affirm the decision and become an independent country.

Advocates have until mid-October to gather 365,880 signatures of registered voters to get it on the ballot.

Marcus Ruiz Evans and Louis J. Marinelli, co-founders of the group Yes California, said the second vote would show that Californians are serious about secession and would strengthen the case for foreign governments to recognize the state’s independence.

“We realize it may seem like a long time to wait,” Marinelli told The Times of San Diego. “But we need time to have a serious dialogue with the people of California about why they should support the independence referendum by voting yes. The voters need to make an informed decision when they go to the polls to determine California’s political future.”

There have been multiple efforts in the past for California to break away from the rest of America. They have either been withdrawn or failed to gather the signatures required to advance.

As the Yes California group gears up, another initiative to break up California into three separate states is also taking shape. That plan, backed by Silicon Valley billionaire Tim Draper, would create a northern California state with San Francisco at its core, another state near Los Angeles and a third that covers the Central Valley as well as San Diego.

And if that were not enough, there’s yet another proposal in play known as “New California” that would cut out rural counties and make them into individual states.

The founders of New California describe the rest of California as “ungovernable.”

“The current state of California has become governed by a tyranny,” the group declared in an online statement.

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#13. To: Justified (#0)

Advocates who want California to secede from the rest of the United States

To avoid this, I say we should be careful which territories we allow to become states to begin with. Like Puerto Rico.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-04-25   9:15:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite, Justified (#13)

To avoid this, I say we should be careful which territories we allow to become states to begin with. Like Puerto Rico.

Puerto has repeatedly voted to not become a state. Becoming a state brings with it the paying of Federal taxes.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-04-25   17:41:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: nolu chan (#15)

Puerto has repeatedly voted to not become a state.

In the past, yes. But ...

"A referendum on the political status of Puerto Rico was held in Puerto Rico on June 11, 2017. The referendum had three options: becoming a state of the United States, independence/free association, or maintaining the current territorial status. Those who voted overwhelmingly chose statehood by 97%."
-- Wiki

misterwhite  posted on  2018-04-26   9:12:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#21)

Puerto has repeatedly voted to not become a state.

In the past, yes. But ...

"A referendum on the political status of Puerto Rico was held in Puerto Rico on June 11, 2017. The referendum had three options: becoming a state of the United States, independence/free association, or maintaining the current territorial status. Those who voted overwhelmingly chose statehood by 97%."
-- Wiki

Nice failure to link and creative editing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_status_referendum,_2017

Puerto Rican status referendum, 2017

A referendum on the political status of Puerto Rico was held in Puerto Rico on June 11, 2017.[1] The referendum had three options: becoming a state of the United States, independence/free association, or maintaining the current territorial status.[2] Those who voted overwhelmingly chose statehood by 97%; turnout, however, was 23%, a historically low figure.[3] This figure is attributed to a boycott led by the pro-status quo PPD party.[4]

Four previous referendums have been held on the island to decide on its political status, the most recent in 2012. Puerto Rico has been an unincorporated territory of the United States since the conclusion of the Spanish–American War in 1898, and its residents were granted U.S. citizenship in 1917.

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#24. To: nolu chan (#23)

Nice failure to link and creative editing.

I put the text in quotes and attributed Wiki. I figured you knew how to get there.

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