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Title: Calexit gets go-ahead to start collecting signatures
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... art-collecting-signatures.html
Published: Apr 24, 2018
Author: Barnini Chakraborty
Post Date: 2018-04-24 17:25:14 by Justified
Keywords: None
Views: 3081
Comments: 33

Advocates who want California to secede from the rest of the United States were given the green light Monday to begin collecting signatures for their initiative.

California’s Secretary of State Alex Padilla announced the ballot proposal had been cleared.

The latest measure would ask voters in 2020 to decide whether to open up a secession discussion. If passed, a second election would be held a year later asking voters to affirm the decision and become an independent country.

Advocates have until mid-October to gather 365,880 signatures of registered voters to get it on the ballot.

Marcus Ruiz Evans and Louis J. Marinelli, co-founders of the group Yes California, said the second vote would show that Californians are serious about secession and would strengthen the case for foreign governments to recognize the state’s independence.

“We realize it may seem like a long time to wait,” Marinelli told The Times of San Diego. “But we need time to have a serious dialogue with the people of California about why they should support the independence referendum by voting yes. The voters need to make an informed decision when they go to the polls to determine California’s political future.”

There have been multiple efforts in the past for California to break away from the rest of America. They have either been withdrawn or failed to gather the signatures required to advance.

As the Yes California group gears up, another initiative to break up California into three separate states is also taking shape. That plan, backed by Silicon Valley billionaire Tim Draper, would create a northern California state with San Francisco at its core, another state near Los Angeles and a third that covers the Central Valley as well as San Diego.

And if that were not enough, there’s yet another proposal in play known as “New California” that would cut out rural counties and make them into individual states.

The founders of New California describe the rest of California as “ungovernable.”

“The current state of California has become governed by a tyranny,” the group declared in an online statement.

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#5. To: Justified (#0)

I'd welcome it. I think the US should be broken into about 5 - 6 different countries.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-04-24   21:13:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#5)

I think the US should be broken into about 5 - 6 different countries.

Terrible idea, seeing that our Republic of States United is the only hope in the world that men will ever learn to live together peacefully..

In fact, I think that if Canada and Mexico were smart, they would break up into say seven States each, and join into a United States of North America, under our Constitution...

tpaine  posted on  2018-04-24   22:03:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: tpaine (#6)

Terrible idea, seeing that our Republic of States United is the only hope in the world that men will ever learn to live together peacefully..

Seeing what we've done to a number of countries around the world, I can't agree that we've been very much of an example of how to "live together peacefully".

And I don't think too many countries would want to join the union as a state unless they would somehow be exempt from helping to pay down the national debt that they had no part in creating.

That's one thing about succession. If a state did want to succeed, what happens to their share of the US national debt? Is it off-loaded to the remaining 49?

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-04-24   22:15:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite (#7)

Other than the civil war, (brought on by States that ignored our Constitution), I think we've done pretty good on living together peacefully.

And I'd bet that plenty of States in the world would join us, if we'd let them... -- Regardless of our debts, which will never be paid.

We will never let a State succeed, imo...

tpaine  posted on  2018-04-24   23:04:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: tpaine, Pinguinite (#9)

Other than the civil war, (brought on by States that ignored our Constitution), I think we've done pretty good on living together peacefully.

What provisions of the Constitution were ignored by States, thereby bringing about the civil war?

Please specify or quote Article, Section, Clause; or Amendment, Clause.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-04-25   17:38:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: nolu chan (#14) (Edited)

What provisions of the Constitution were ignored by States, thereby bringing about the civil war?

Please specify or quote Article, Section, Clause; or Amendment, Clause.

Hey, -- good to see you posting again, even if you are a bit demanding about it.

Would you admit they ignored the basic human rights of slaves, as enumerated in our Constitution? -- Probably not, but in any case I am not obligated to " specify or quote Article, Section, Clause; or Amendment, Clause", even through you wrote please....

Also, I blame the slave States officials for violating their oaths to honor and defend the constitution of the USA.

Are you defending the confederate concept?

And, if you have time, I'd appreciate any comment on the thread:--- Suicide of the West HOW THE REBIRTH OF TRIBALISM, POPULISM, NATIONALISM, AND IDENTITY POLITICS IS DESTROYING AMERICAN DEMOCRACY By JONAH GOLDBERG ....

Thanks.

tpaine  posted on  2018-04-25   18:16:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: tpaine (#17)

Would you admit they ignored the basic human rights of slaves, as enumerated in our Constitution? -- Probably not, but in any case I am not obligated to " specify or quote Article, Section, Clause; or Amendment, Clause", even through you wrote please....

Also, I blame the slave States officials for violating their oaths to honor and defend the constitution of the USA.

At the time of secession, all states were slave states.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-04-25   18:30:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#19. To: Pinguinite (#18) (Edited)

At the time of secession, all states were slave states.

Picky pickey...

Do you want to discuss issues, or my misuse of language?

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