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Title: Trump Launches Missile Strikes on Syria After Chemical Attack
Source: [None]
URL Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti ... as-expectations-of-strike-grow
Published: Apr 13, 2018
Author: Jennifer Jacobs, Donna Nabu-Nasr, Daniel
Post Date: 2018-04-13 21:29:24 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 8286
Comments: 82

President Donald Trump said he launched missile strikes on Syria in retaliation for an apparent chemical attack by the regime of Bashar al-Assad on a rebel town.

Trump said the missile strikes, which were focused on chemical weapons sites, would be carried out in coordination with France and the U.K. and he made clear that the U.S. is prepared to sustain the strikes until Syria stops using chemical weapons.

The president also blasted Iraq and Russia for supporting Assad’s regime, particularly in the wake of the chemical attack.

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I sure hope he has the evidence to back it up

paraclete  posted on  2018-04-13   21:41:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: paraclete (#1)

I sure hope he has the evidence to back it up. He has nothing but rumor. Trump is a blasted, damned fool!

Who needs evidence at a time such as this. All you need is supposition and bull shit to do what you want, including get us into WW111.

rlk  posted on  2018-04-14   18:18:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: rlk (#32)

all you need is supposition and bull shit to do what you want, including get us into WW111.

Yes Trump is a tool of the military/industrial complex. He has made a restrained response which will be taken as weakness by Assad and Putin. Madam May is making much of the opportunity to ramp up the rhetoric against the Russians linking gas in Syria to nerve agents in the UK

paraclete  posted on  2018-04-14   18:52:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: paraclete (#33)

He has made a restrained response which will be taken as weakness by Assad and Putin.

Assad and Putin are very, very smart (they would not be where they are, if they didn't). They understand the situation of Trump well. probably they sympathize with him.

A Pole  posted on  2018-04-14   19:14:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A Pole (#34)

Assad and Putin are very, very smart

Putin might be smart or just cunning, Assad didn't get the job by being smart, like Kim he took over from his daddy and has succeeded in pissing off his people, not smart, devastating his country, not smart

paraclete  posted on  2018-04-14   21:40:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: paraclete, Vicomte13, Tooconservative, sneakypete, Pinguinite (#35)

Assad didn't get the job by being smart, like Kim he took over from his daddy and has succeeded in pissing off his people, not smart, devastating his country, not smart

I wonder how long you would last in his place, I think couple days at most.

You have a set of templates from the cartoons and more cheesy Hollywood movies and are conditioned like a Pavlovian dog.

You cannot point to a country on the map or spell its name, but you know the character of the rogue leader better than his closest family. Strange thing, each of those designated rogues is IDENTICAL to the others. Saddam, Milosevic, Allende, Noriega, Milosevic, Putin, Kim, ...

No matter that earlier they could have had a different role assigned, memory is flexible.

A Pole  posted on  2018-04-15   4:31:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A Pole, paraclete, Vicomte13, sneakypete, Pinguinite (#39) (Edited)

Assad didn't get the job by being smart, like Kim he took over from his daddy and has succeeded in pissing off his people, not smart, devastating his country, not smart

Assad was not expected to take over the regime, his brother who got killed was groomed for the role, much as Joe Kennedy Junior was the son that old Joe wanted to run for prez. When he got killed in the remote-controlled bomber over England, JFK was his father's pick to run for prez.

Assad did become a qualified ophthalmologist after medical training in Britain. I never read any complaints about his professional qualifications so he must have been fairly bright and had basic competence. And he does seem to be pretty intelligent, maybe a little on the autism scale. Something about his appearance and behavior makes me think that when I do see him on TV, despite how carefully they control any video of him that we can see in the West.

However, Assad is the figurehead of his country's military/political elite. Exactly as Kim Jong-Il is. In either case, even if we drove the "dictator" from power, the (primarily) military regime would simply select another figurehead as ruler. There is no other way to rule a country that is so culturally and religiously divided as Syria is.

In some respects, Putin plays the same role in Russia. He just didn't inherit the role from Daddy.

If you want an American example of this, look at how Rand Paul mostly inherited his father's political base. And Rand is, like Assad, an ophthalmologist.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-04-15   13:49:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Tooconservative (#44)

Assad was not expected to take over the regime, his brother who got killed was groomed for the role, much as Joe Kennedy Junior was the son that old Joe wanted to run for prez. When he got killed in the remote-controlled bomber over England, JFK was his father's pick to run for prez.

Assad did become a qualified ophthalmologist after medical training in Britain. I never read any complaints about his professional qualifications so he must have been fairly bright and had basic competence. And he does seem to be pretty intelligent, maybe a little on the autism scale. Something about his appearance and behavior makes me think that when I do see him on TV, despite how carefully they control any video of him that we can see in the West.

However, Assad is the figurehead of his country's military/political elite. Exactly as Kim Jong-Il is. In either case, even if we drove the "dictator" from power, the (primarily) military regime would simply select another figurehead as ruler. There is no other way to rule a country that is so culturally and religiously divided as Syria is.

In some respects, Putin plays the same role in Russia. He just didn't inherit the role from Daddy.

If you want an American example of this, look at how Rand Paul mostly inherited his father's political base. And Rand is, like Assad, an ophthalmologist.

Why is America involved with Syria?

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-15   13:55:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: buckeroo (#45)

It's...complicated.

Trump wants out. But he also doesn't want to look weak.

He isn't the first prez with exactly this problem.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-04-15   14:00:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Tooconservative (#46)

It's...complicated.

How does American involvement in Syrian internal affairs ensure a defensive posture for Americans? Did they bomb the USA or were the USA invited by Syria to be there?

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-15   14:08:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeroo (#47)

They slaughter their own people and support terrorism against our allies. Therefore, their government needs to go. Also, if the government is overthrown and replaced with something more pro-American, the Russian base there can be closed - and that is the only Russian naval anchorage in the Mediterranean. Poor Russians.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-04-15   21:50:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Vicomte13 (#51)

Also, if the government is overthrown and replaced with something more pro-American, the Russian base there can be closed - and that is the only Russian naval anchorage in the Mediterranean. Poor Russians.

The poor Russians have enough nukes to virtually destroy the entire USA and probably Europe too, so they are not that "poor".

Best not to attempt to back a nuke power into a corner.

And they have the Crimea back, so they still have Met access.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-04-15   21:58:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Pinguinite (#52)

The poor Russians have enough nukes to virtually destroy the entire USA and probably Europe too, so they are not that "poor".

Best not to attempt to back a nuke power into a corner.

And they have the Crimea back, so they still have Met access.

As I said: their military option is to blow up the world, including themselves. Sure, they can commit suicide (and wake up in Hell after doing it), but they don't have any option.

As far as Med access goes, take another look at the map. Sevastopol is on the Black Sea. To get to the Med they have to steam through the Dardanelles inside of NATO ally Turkey.

And once they get to the other side, in the NATO-ally Greece's private lake called the Aegean, with Syria gone they have nowhere to base, nowhere to refuel, nowhere to repair. Their underway replenishment capability is very weak. So sure, they can send a fleet past Istanbul, in peacetime, and float around in the Med until they run out of fuel and food. They can't stay there very long, and in a war scenario, they can't get their fleet out of the Black Sea, or back into it if it's in the Med.

The loss of Syria would be a massive blow to their strategic position. They need to negotiate.

I'm sure that leaving them a Guantanamo Bay type of arrangement regarding their Syrian base can be worked out that doesn't require Assad to sit there.

But maybe not.

Poor Russia has nuclear weapons - and that's all they've got. Nuclear weapons give them the option of being a suicide bomber - blowing up the whole world, themselves included - in a tantrum. They would do that if armies were closing in on Moscow. So would the French is armies were closing in on Paris. But over Syria? Nah. The Russians will not commit suicide over Syria. They'll take their lumps and be angry and move on.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-04-16   7:48:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Vicomte13 (#54)

inside of NATO ally Turkey.

Lol.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-04-16   7:52:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#56)

Turkey has all sorts of difficulties getting along with us, with Greece, etc. But Russia is a permanent enemy of the Turks, and the Turks know it. Let's suppose Turkey goes inert and lets the Russians through the Dardanelles during a war. They steam into the Aegean, through the middle of Greece, a NATO ally, where they would be blown out of the water by airstrikes if it came down to it.

Bottom line: Russia needs that base in Syria.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-04-16   7:57:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#58. To: Vicomte13 (#57)

But over Syria? Nah. The Russians will not commit suicide over Syria

Bottom line: Russia needs that base in Syria.

Seems contradictory.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-04-16 08:27:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Vicomte13 (#57)

Bottom line: Russia needs that base in Syria.

I really have to think you don't know how small and unimportant that "base" really is.

They can't even put any except the smallest battleships in to dock. If their big missile cruiser (they've only got the one) needed shipyard work of any kind, they have a kind of floating machine shop that they can float out to it. Otherwise, it's just a smallish fuel depot and a transshipment point for parts like electronics, possibly a place you could (but wouldn't want to) use to replenish perishables and depleted ordinance.

People really make too much of that base. And the fact that it is the only Russian base considered active around the world makes it clear how limited Russia's reach is a naval power. They do still have basing rights in Cuba but that place really is in mothballs. And Russia explored but never concluded any agreement with a willing Vietnam to re-open that large and ambitious naval base in Cam Ranh Bay. That was a real naval base and the one in Cuba would count as one too (though it mostly hosted Russian spy ships disguised as trawlers). Not the one in Syria because it's too small and has such limited capabilities.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-04-16 09:14:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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