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Title: Trump Triples Down In Amazon Feud: "Deal With Post Office Will Be Changed"
Source: ZeroHedge
URL Source: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018 ... m-costing-post-office-billions
Published: Apr 2, 2018
Author: Tyler Durden
Post Date: 2018-04-02 11:50:29 by VxH
Keywords: FoamFingerFanClub
Views: 3472
Comments: 36

President Trump's obsession and escalating feud with Jeff Bezos, and bringing Amazon to heel before it destroys what's left of America's crumbling brick- and-mortar retail industry, was on display Saturday morning when he fired off a series of angry tweets claiming the Bezos-owned Washington Post should register as a lobbyist and that the Post Office should jack up its parcel rates to stick it to Amazon.

"While we are on the subject, it is reported that the U.S. Post Office will lose $1.50 on average for each package it delivers for Amazon," Trump tweeted.

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#1. To: All (#0) (Edited)

Questions for the Donny Dumbass Foam Finger Fan Club:

1. What is the velocity of money?
2. Which delivery service does Amazon Prime use for 2nd day delivery?[Hint: Not USPS]
3. What would the L.I.F.E.R. parasite "workers" at the USPS be doing ANYWAY - if their half arsed half fast underutilized pipeline wasn't being filled with Amazon goodies?

VxH  posted on  2018-04-02   11:52:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: VxH (#0)

"While we are on the subject, it is reported that the U.S. Post Office will lose $1.50 on average for each package it delivers for Amazon," Trump tweeted.

That sounds high. Normally Amazon doesn't use the last-mile delivery via USPS except for very small packages, like audio cables or USB phone adapters. Those are the only kind of items I've received from Amazon via USPS.

I think the bigger scandal is how FedEx and USPS are in bed together and UPS suffers financially as a result.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-04-02   11:58:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: VxH (#0)

"...it is reported that the U.S. Post Office will lose $1.50 on average for each package it delivers for Amazon," Trump tweeted...'

Per CBSNews Money Watch

There is little to these claims. While the postal service is struggling, it's not because of Amazon. In fact, package delivery is one of the few lines of business that's growing.

The postal service has lost money for 11 straight years, mostly because of pension and health care costs. In 2017, the service lost $800 million on $69.7 billion operating revenue. Under a 2006 law, it must pre-fund 75 years' worth of retiree health benefits. Neither the government nor private companies are required to do that. (It has defaulted on those payments periodically, with the last one made in 2015).

A widely cited Citigroup analysis from last year holds that the "true" cost of shipping packages for the Postal Service is about 50 percent higher than what it currently charges. "It is as if every Amazon box comes with a dollar or two stapled to the packing slip -- a gift card from Uncle Sam," read the ensuing editorials.

But Citi arrived at that figure by re-allocating the Post Office's benefits costs -- not the costs specific to package delivery.

The 2006 law also mandated that each line of business within the postal service cover its attributable costs. In other words, for the postal service to lose money on package delivery would be against the law.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-contract-usps-fact-checking-trump-tweets- amazon-post-office-03-31-2018/

Jameson  posted on  2018-04-02   11:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jameson (#3)

While the postal service is struggling, it's not because of Amazon. In fact, package delivery is one of the few lines of business that's growing.

Yep.

The USPS has been a government monopolized L.I.F.E.R. cluster frack for decades - that ain't Amazon's fault. The USPS's L.I.F.E.Rs would still be collecting a paycheck for delivering junk mail regardless of whether Amazon was putting actually useful stuff into the USPS sewer pipe.

Another economics 101 FAIL for Donny Dumbass.

VxH  posted on  2018-04-02   12:03:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: VxH (#4)

The USPS has been a government monopolized L.I.F.E.R. cluster frack for decades ...

I hate to step on your toes, but the USPS was written into the US Constitution.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-02   13:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: buckeroo (#5)

I hate to step on your toes, but the USPS was written into the US Constitution.

No. A federal mail service was. And it says nothing about what form that would take. The Founders never imagined nationwide mail delivery 6 days a week, for instance.

We could save a lot of money by going to mail delivery twice or thrice per week. If people want it daily, they could pay for that as a special service. Very few people need daily mail any more (if they ever did).

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-04-03   8:12:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#6)

We could save a lot of money by going to mail delivery twice or thrice per week.

Repealing the GOP's ridiculous and unique pre-funding requirement is the only change required.

Jameson  posted on  2018-04-03   9:32:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: buckeroo (#5)

Oh did I say  government monopolized L.I.F.E.R. cluster frack for decades ...?

 

 government monopolized double dipper L.I.F.E.R. cluster frack for decades. 

There.  Fixed it.  My bad.

VxH  posted on  2018-04-03   22:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative (#6) (Edited)

Congress mandates the requirements of the "postal service." Clearly, daily delivery is silly; moreover, limiting service may not reduce operating costs as federal pension plans outstrip the daily operating costs.

Congress has ALWAYS remedied the situation by supporting the non-profitable costs with taxpayer funding of the balance sheet. It won't be changed either.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-04   10:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: VxH (#8)

government monopolized double dipper L.I.F.E.R. cluster frack for decades.

All federal employees receive outrageous levels of pay + benefits for their modicum of service. Your article is about the USPS, however.

Are you familiar with RCCA? It stands for "root cause and corrective action"; as an opinion, when you intentionally select one of the "weeds in the field," you have missed the "why?" of your own discussion.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-04   10:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeroo (#9)

Congress has ALWAYS remedied the situation by supporting the non-profitable costs with taxpayer funding of the balance sheet. It won't be changed either.

Because every member of the House has a whole set of post offices and employees in it. And no one wants to lose their post office. Even the dinkiest villages are hardcore about keeping them in town and supplying a few jobs.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-04-04   11:24:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#11) (Edited)

Because every member of the House has a whole set of post offices and employees in it. And no one wants to lose their post office. Even the dinkiest villages are hardcore about keeping them in town and supplying a few jobs.

Not even close, pal:

(1 Stat. 178), and March 3, 1791 (1 Stat. 218). The Act of February 20, 1792 (1 Stat. 232), continued the Post Office for another two years and formally admitted newspapers to the mails, gave Congress the power to establish post routes, and prohibited postal officials from opening letters. Later legislation enlarged the duties of the Post Office, strengthened and unified its organization, and provided rules for its development. The Act of May 8, 1794 (1 Stat. 354), continued the Post Office indefinitely.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-04   11:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo (#12)

You're wandering offtopic. I was talking about how often mail gets delivered and whether every tiny burg, hamlet, and village has a "right" to a post office with one or more postal jobs in it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-04-04   14:20:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#13)

You're wandering offtopic. I was talking about how often mail gets delivered and whether every tiny burg, hamlet, and village has a "right" to a post office with one or more postal jobs in it.

But the target discussion of the thread was NOT ABOUT YOUR typical POUTING MOUTH.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-04   14:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo (#14)

Aw, what's wrong, Bucky? Missed your little nap today, feeling a little peckish down there in Margaritaville?     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-04-04   15:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative (#15)

You just can't keep up with what is wrong of and about the governance of America.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-04   15:09:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeroo (#16)

I only pray that you'll keep us properly informed from your elite enclave in a banana republic.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-04-04   15:15:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative (#17)

Of course. It is my obligation to a country that allows free expression of ideas, concepts and ideals about the world around of and about personal freedoms.

There is a tyme and a place where each and everyone decide to stay in country that no longer cares for yourself. It means to take control of your own life.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-04   15:27:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#10)

What is a double dipping L.I.F.E.R.?

Last time I hefted sacks of bulk mail into the annex of the USPS in Denver, the USPS was festooned with them.

VxH  posted on  2018-04-04   18:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: VxH (#19)

What is a double dipping L.I.F.E.R.?

Beats me other than what I personally experienced while in the US Army. Lots of waste; lots of useless people that can make reports but can not make ACTION.

Last time I hefted sacks of bulk mail into the annex of the USPS in Denver, the USPS was festooned with them.

Seems to me that you had an opportunity to make serious changes based on personal observation. Why didn't you proceed with realizing the true significance of being a responsible US citizen?

Today, you let us all down while you argue about silly stuff.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-04   19:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: buckeroo, VxH (#20)

Today, you let us all down while you argue about silly stuff.

Yeah but VxH is still a resident of the States with a USPS address. He's not offering harsh opinions about other posters' views of the USPS from some postal paradise down in Guatemala.

If you care so damned much, why don't you live in the States?

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-04-05   2:26:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#20) (Edited)

silly stuff.

What would the Double Dipping L.I.F.E.R.s in the USPS be doing if their under utilized pipeline was not filled with Amazon items?

VxH  posted on  2018-04-05   15:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: VxH (#22)

You conveniently omitted ALL US government employees: federal, state, county or territorial, city, special districts and on and on.

Many federal employees are triple and quadruple dipping as an example.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-05   15:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo (#23) (Edited)

You conveniently omitted ALL US government employees: federal, state, county or territorial, city, special districts and on and on.

Many federal employees are triple and quadruple dipping as an example.

I didn't "omit" anything.

The USPS is an example -- And the L.I.F.E.R.s it is festooned with would still be collecting a paycheck regardless of whether or not Amazon gave them actual work to do.

VxH  posted on  2018-04-07   7:21:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: VxH (#24)

Laissez-faire economics is the point here. One of the reasons why the postal service has contrasted discounted rates is NOT on the single item that is carried; It is the BULK items with Amazon.

The USPS has local branch services throughout the country and uniquely is setup for distribution processes.

The USPS is an example -- And the L.I.F.E.R.s it is festooned with would still be collecting a paycheck regardless of whether or not Amazon gave them actual work to do.

Your point is meaningless.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-07   7:38:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#25) (Edited)

Your point is meaningless.

Drumpf is talking tweeting out of his arse, as usual.

The USPS's Goobermment L.I.F.E.R.s would be collecting a paycheck regardless of Amazon giving them actual work to do.

VxH  posted on  2018-04-07   7:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeroo (#25) (Edited)

The USPS has local branch services throughout the country and uniquely is setup for distribution processes.

What a pant load.

I'll try to remember how "unique" the USPS is when UPS delivers my 2nd day Amazon Prime orders... on time.

VxH  posted on  2018-04-07   7:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: VxH (#26)

At the end of the day, your article is about how the USPS signs contracts. It does not sign contracts to lose money as Trump assigns the issue.

Are you aware that Amazon is considering a new startup operation to ensure more effective and efficient operations are directed towards their own customer base? They are SERIOUSLY considering purchasing "ToysRUs" facilities throughout the USA. Theses facilities will serve as local warehousing and distribution centers for their own delivery services.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-07   7:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo (#28) (Edited)

At the end of the day the USPS was a money loosing L.I.F.E.R. cluster frack long before Amazon started using it for actual useful purposes.

VxH  posted on  2018-04-07   7:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: VxH (#27)

I'll try to remember how "unique" the USPS is when UPS delivers my 2nd day Amazon Prime orders... on time.

You need to investigate your claim. Often, the issue is NOT the USPS; rather it is the supplier to Amazon.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-04-07   7:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: buckeroo (#30)

the issue is NOT the USPS;

Bullshyte.

It's not Amazon's fault the USPS has been a money loosing cluster frack for decades.

VxH  posted on  2018-04-07   7:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: buckeroo (#30) (Edited)

You need to investigate your claim.

UPS delivers my Amazon Prime orders 2nd day, on time.

Investigate that.

VxH  posted on  2018-04-07   7:53:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: VxH (#29)

Amazon started using it for actual useful purposes.

If their packages are useful or not is irrelevant. If it is at below cost raise the rate.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-04-07   8:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#33) (Edited)

The USPS has been a money loosing cluster frack for decades.

That isn't Amazon's fault.

I hope Amazon does buy Toy-R-Us or whatever it takes to build its own distribution infrastructure, sans the USPS - and let's USPS drown in it's own, government subsidized, L.I.F.E.R. poodle shyte.

If it is at below cost raise the rate.

The "costs" of the USPS are fixed and they won't go down if Amazon stops using its "service" -- but the actual income of the USPS will.

Another FAIL from Donny Drumpf -- ACME Economic Suuuuuper Genius.

VxH  posted on  2018-04-07   8:13:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: VxH (#34)

I hope Amazon invests in self delivery and goes out of business.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-04-07   8:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#35) (Edited)

I hope Amazon invests in self delivery and goes out of business.

Stupid velocity of the Dollar. Who needs that anyhow.

VxH  posted on  2018-04-07   8:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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