The two main drivers of gun crime in the capital are said to be drug and gang activity. The Met has said that “the gun is very much a tool of the drug dealer […] to enforce their territory and to enforce their business” and the National Crime Agency (NCA) has highlighted that “with firearms, drugs are very prevalent within that, either seized at the time or as a precursor or as a factor within that crime group’s operating model”.8
Yes. Like we have always said. If you get rid of legal guns the only ones with guns will be criminals and government.
When you get to this point even discharging a legal weapon becomes a crime because its just wrong to protect yourself and property against the nice criminals!/s
Yes. Like we have always said. If you get rid of legal guns the only ones with guns will be criminals and government.
Well, it may have "always been said", but there's something else in these crime statistics.
Let's start with London, a city of 8.788 million - the model posted here to "prove" that Britain's tight gun laws result in helpless victims succumbing to crime.
Now let's look at New York City, a US city with tight (though by no means the tightest) gun laws. New York, with 8.538 million people, is slightly smaller than London. 2017 statistics: Murder: 292 Felony Assault: 20,052 Robbery: 13,956.
Now let's look at Houston, the biggest city in open-carry Texas. Houston is 1/4 the size of London or New York City. 2017 Statistics: Murder: 302 Felony Assault: 10,027 Robbery: 12,641.
Correlation is not causation, but one can see that tight gun laws are correlated to lower violent crime, and loose gun laws are correlated to much higher (4x higher) murder and other violent crime rates.
The statistics don't bear out the argument that an urban population living under strict gun control is less safe from crime than one with very loose gun laws, so it is perilous to make such arguments because they can so easily be refuted by the numbers.
The real truth, I think is the culture.
London has MUCH greater social support and higher social welfare payments than the US, and therefore the desperation level is lower and crime is, accordingly, lower.
New York has a much more robust system of social welfare and support than Texas. That's why the crime rate in Texas is four times the crime rate in New York. You end up paying for poverty and desperation one way or the other. In New York, they pay a lot more in taxes. In Texas, they pay a lot less in taxes and get shot more.
Your stats are bullshit... as it correlates to guns because your murder stats aren’t just limited to murders accociated with just guns.
Also, nyc posted its lowest homicide rate in 80 years. Personally, I attribute the low numbers in nyc to the size and effectiveness of the largest police department in the world.
Your stats are bullshit... as it correlates to guns because your murder stats aren’t just limited to murders accociated with just guns.
Also, nyc posted its lowest homicide rate in 80 years. Personally, I attribute the low numbers in nyc to the size and effectiveness of the largest police department in the world.
A total murder rate is a total murder rate. Why are massive cities with gun control, and massive immigrant (and illegal immigrant) populations, having hundreds fewer murders - in absolute numbers - than smaller cities that also have large numbers of legal and illegal immigrants and wide open gun laws? The open gun laws are not resulting in less crime - that is for sure.
I agree with you that large police forces do keep crime down. London and New York have lower crime than Houston because they have massive police forces to keep order. Houston won't pay for cops, so it has crime.
The ORIGINAL argument, that gun control in London is the reason that London has violent crime, is the bullshit in this thread, not what I wrote.
