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Title: Tennessee store clerk charged in death of teen believed to be shoplifting beer, report says
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/0 ... plifting-beer-report-says.html
Published: Apr 2, 2018
Author: AP
Post Date: 2018-04-02 09:26:19 by misterwhite
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Views: 2382
Comments: 29
Police in Tennessee said Sunday that a convenience store clerk has been charged in the fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter whose body was found near the store. The Commercial Appeal reports Memphis police charged 28-year-old Anwar Ghazali with first-degree murder. The shooting occurred on Thursday, but police said Ghazali never reported the incident. The 17-year-old's body was found beside a home near the store Saturday. Fox 13 Memphis identified the victim as Dorian Harris. Police spokesman Louis Brownlee said the teen was suspected of leaving the store without paying for a beer, and Ghazali followed him and allegedly shot him. "The victim/suspect stole a beer and goes out of the store,'' Brownlee told the paper. "The suspect tries to stop him. Shoots at him. Hits him once. He doesn't officially know that he hit him. Yesterday, a female comes home, sees a person lying next to the home. Calls police.” Ghazali was being held in the Shelby County Jail. It wasn't immediately known whether he has an attorney. 
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#3. To: misterwhite (#0)
This is, simply put, the danger to the gun owner of having a gun. No matter how often hotheads and idiots scream about how the law ought to be, and no matter how many buffoons pound their chests and shout about how they're gonna do justice right, the FACT is that there are laws, and the law is that if you kill a man for shoplifting, you're a murderer. You're not a hero. You do not have the right to kill a man who does not threaten you for taking a piece of property. Idiots have huffed and puffed that they do for centuries, and then they've gone ahead and done it - shot somebody for stealing a bear, beaten somebody to death for running off with a purse. And then, all the way back to when time (or at least our laws) began in Jolly Old England, the killer has been hanged, caged, and otherwise treated like the murderer that he IS. Nobody gives a fuck if YOU think that YOU have the right to kill somebody to protect your property from being stolen. If you do it, you're a murderer, and the rest of us, through our legal system, are going to try you, jail you, and ruin your life just like any other murderer. Shooting somebody for stealing a beer does not make you a hero. It makes you a violent criminal, a murderer, and liable for the death penalty. You do not have the right to shoot shoplifters. If you think you do, you should not have a gun, because you're going to end up making your own law, and then the rest of us are going to crush out your life because you're a violent criminal. Period. There's nothing to discuss on this one. That's the way it is. That's the way it's been for six hundred years in the Common Law. It has not changed, it isn't changing, and it's never, ever going to change. You DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL in order to stop petty property crime. As this shopowner - and everybody who watches the case - is about to find out. An armed robber? Sure, you can kill HIM, because HE stuck a gun in your face. But somebody running away with a beer, or your wallet? Nope. This should perhaps be THE test for registering a gun. Q. You are a shopowner. You see a thug steal a beer and run out the door. You have a gun and you chase him. He won't stop. Do you have the right to shoot him? YES or NO. If you answer "Yes", your gun is confiscated and you can't register it. You cannot register your gun and have one until you understand that the answers is "No". Because that IS the answer, and that's ALWAYS BEEN the answer. And yes, I am writing this in the most in-your-face manner, specifically to provoke the vigilantes among you to lose your cool and make idiots of yourselves. If you can't answer "No" to shooting shoplifters, then your right to have a gun should be stripped from you - you may have the right to a gun, but you do NOT have the right to use that gun to shoot shoplifters - and if you won't ADMIT that, then you should not be allowed to exercise your right to have a gun. Sort of like a driver's license. If on your driving test you write that you have the right to run over pedestrians who flip you the bird, you aren't entitled to a drivers' license either.
I don't always disagree with you vic. When you are right I will tell you. You're right. I will say sometimes if someone is stealing and they don't have a gun and you are threatened. You would have the right to kill the robber. Which i'm sure you agree with.
Of course. If some guy pulls a knife on you in an armed robbery situation, you can shoot him in self defense. Likewise, if some guy has a crowbar or a bat, you can shoot him. Even unarmed, some towering beast or a crowd of thugs threaten your life, you can shoot them. But some kid stealing a beer and running out, you can't draw your gun, shout "Stop!" at his retreating back, and then blow him away. That's murder. The gun is to protect life and limb. Insurance and tax deductions cover pilfered property. A woman can shoot a stronger unarmed man who's dragging her away for rape, but she can't blow away some jerk who pinches her ass.
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#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)
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I will say sometimes if someone is stealing and they don't have a gun and you are threatened. You would have the right to kill the robber. Which i'm sure you agree with.
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