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Older Men - Keep One Foot In The Dark Ages Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: Not Good: U.K. Traces Nerve Agent in Poisoning to Ex-Russian Spy’s Home Source: The Wall Street Journal URL Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-to ... ussian-millionaires-1522258755 Published: Mar 28, 2018 Author: staff Post Date: 2018-03-28 22:00:21 by buckeroo Keywords: None Views: 728 Comments: 17 Government says it would review hundreds of visas granted to wealthy Russians in response to attack it blames on Kremlin By Jenny Gross Updated March 28, 2018 7:49 p.m. ET LONDON—After combing through hours of security-camera footage and speaking to hundreds of witnesses, British investigators said Wednesday they believe that the nerve agent used to poison a former Russian spy and his daughter had been applied to the front door of their house. Considerations like this could lead to war. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 16. #1. To: buckeroo (#0) This is new. I thought they traced it to the ventilation system in their car. If it was applied to their front door, it sounds like it could have been anyone. But of course Britain is dead set to find a Russian to blame it on. Pinguinite  posted on  2018-03-28   23:34:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Pinguinite (#1) why are you trying to avoid blaming a Russian? Do people in the UK have access to weapons grade nerve agents? The nerve agent has been identified as something developed by the Russians, sort of a smoking gun paraclete  posted on  2018-03-29   1:08:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: paraclete, Vicomte13, Tooconservative, sneakypete, Pinguinite (#2) To: Pinguinite: why are you trying to avoid blaming a Russian? Seems that Putin starts to look more and more like Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi. Do you think that he should end up the same way? Do people in the UK have access to weapons grade nerve agents? Actually yes. Read this about secret research center in Porton Down (few minutes away from Skripal house): The past Porton Down can't hide The nerve agent has been identified as something developed by the Russians, sort of a smoking gun Actually it was being developed in Uzbekistan Nukus plan. "Andrew C. Weber, a former assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, chemical and biological defense programs, recalls picking his way through a secret, abandoned Soviet research facility in Nukus, Uzbekistan, which the United States was asked to helped destroy in the early 2000s." The Nerve Agent Too Deadly to Use A Pole  posted on  2018-03-29   4:43:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: A Pole (#4) Seems that Putin starts to look more and more like Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi. Yes,it does. Do you think that he should end up the same way? Unless and until he becomes an actual threat to America,it's none of our business and not for us to say one way or another. That's up to the Russian people. If/when he becomes a serious threat to America,he should be squashed like the KGB slug he is. sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-29   5:06:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: sneakypete (#5) Unless and until he becomes an actual threat to America,it's none of our business and not for us to say one way or another. That's up to the Russian people. Well, expansionist Russia brings her borders closer and closers to NATO troops. Sankt Petersburg is 1 minutes missile flight to Estonia. More menacing that Cuban Crisis of 1961. If/when he becomes a serious threat to America,he should be squashed like the KGB slug he is. Since Russia got nukes, she was always a serious threat. Perhaps she needs to be deprived of those sinister weapons and squashed for good, like Iraq and Libya? A Pole  posted on  2018-03-29   8:25:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: A Pole (#6) Since Russia got nukes, she was always a serious threat. Perhaps she needs to be deprived of those sinister weapons and squashed for good, like Iraq and Libya? Sure! But how do we get there without the whole world being wiped out, us included? Obviously the BEST result (for us anyway) would be to return to the era between 1945 and 1949 when we alone had the atomic bomb and nobody else did. Then we would be able to take care of some things. Chinese platforms? Send the Marines and push the Chinese off. And let Taiwan declare independence. Nuke the Chinese if they try to invade. Crimea back in the Ukraine? Land the Marines, drive out the Russians, nuke them if they try to invade. Etc. Having the monopoly on nuclear weapons, large numbers of them, and the willingness to use them in the early stages of any war to exterminate the nation that dares to raise a sword against America will very quickly cause the world to fall in line under our rule, or be exterminated by nuclear fire and cease to be a problem. Obviously that would be best. The Soviets knew that too, which is why they stole the plans for nukes from us and made a lot of them. And then China. It's why the NORKs want nukes. It's why Israel is invincible. If the Arabs ever DID break through conventionally, the Israelis would use nuclear weapons to quasi-exterminate the Arab race in the countries around them, and that would be that. Nuclear weapons guarantee national security of any nation, because nobody can conquer you if you can wipe them out. So yes, it would be great if we could take out the Russian nukes, because then we would rule the world. Similarly, it would be great for the Russians if they could take our our nukes, because then THEY could rule the world and make no mistake about it: they would, just as we would (and largely HAVE, since World War II). If neither of us, then China. Etc. The problem remains: how, EXACTLY, do you get at Russia's nukes without getting nuked in the process. ANSWER: You don't. You can't. It's impossible. Therefore, better give up the dream of ruling the world, because it is impossible to achieve, by anyone, thanks to nuclear weapons. All we can achieve is universal bereavement, extinction. Living well in our half of the world and letting our evil enemies do the same in THEIR half is far better, for US, then all dying trying to take them out. We need to set our standards and expectations far lower. Stopping Russians from abusing Russians and Norks from abusing Norks is outside of our power. For us to continue to live good lives, Russians have to be allowed to rot in prison because they crossed their government, and Norks have to be allowed to torture and kill Norks. Too bad for the Russians and too bad for the Norks - but we didn't do it. God will punish Putin and Kim. It's not our job, and I'm not willing to die because some other jackass American has an overgrown sense of responsibility to take care of the rest of the world. In fact, for my own happiness it is MUCH more important that aggressive, "the world is our responsibility" men on my own side be crushed down, by people like me, and THEIR political ambitions to fix the world be defeated, by my indifference. I dislike Russian thugs and bullies. But they're on the other side of the world, and if they ever tried to come here I would be perfectly willing to vaporize them (and, unfortunately, all of the innocent children, women and men on THEIR side of the world) in order to keep myself free. But I really hate crusading puritans on MY side of the world, in MY country and culture, because they do things like take away alcohol, or guns, or the ability to smoke or ingest what I want (even though I want nothing - I am unwilling to empower the police to bother other people about THEIR drug habits). So, really, my American political adversaries who want to oppress the rights I care about here, are MUCH greater enemies, problems, cockroaches who need to be defeated, in my mind, than Putin, or Kim - or, I suppose, in the era, Hitler, Stalin and Tojo. We had to go OVER THERE, because Tojo came OVER HERE and Hitler sided with him. Because THEY made it life or death for us, here, I am content to have cremated lots of Japanese and Germans. I don't believe in master races or cultures, but I certainly believe that my OWN life, and that of my family, friends and countrymen, are far more important than the lives of other people elsewhere, so if they attack us, I'm perfectly willing to exterminate entire civilizations if it makes them go away and no longer threaten me. Now, of course, Christ tells me that this is bad. And I know he's right. So I settle back and let go of the idea of simply pre-emptively wiping out all of the potentially threatening people, and I accept that the best thing, really, is the balance of power that prevents ANY of us from winning, and make defeat certain for ALL of us if we try - so that THEREFORE nobody tries. Then we live in peace here, and that CAN live in peace there, if they want to. But they can't get here. Unfortunately, that DOES mean we can't get there to save the weak if the strong devour them. But it DOES mean that, so we have to let God handle THAT justice: it's not our job, not our mandate, not our responsibility. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-03-29   11:21:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Vicomte13 (#7) Similarly, it would be great for the Russians if they could take our our nukes, because then THEY could rule the world and make no mistake about it: they would, just as we would (and largely HAVE, since World War II). It's one element we people have in common, generally. Everybody wants to rule the world. Even those with good intent want to rule it to impose their idea of "good" upon everyone else, and even good intentions can have evil consequences. Right now, yes the USA is ruling the world. Or most of it anyway, and while I've defended Russia extensively in recent times, particularly with this nerve gas incident in London, I've no delusions that Russia would not and will not do the same in the future if their current rollback in world affairs is ever reversed. They will strive for power again, no less so than Singapore, Magascar or Bolivia would if they were given the chance. Still right now Russia is almost with their backs to the wall while the USA is on a global rampage of world domination, seeing fit to do things like unapologetically encourage the coup in the Ukraine bringing about all the loss of life and destruction there, including the Malaysian airline shootdown (even if the rebels did shoot it down, which I think likely but not certain, had there been no coup, there would not have been any war in the first place). So.... given the current playing field and offenses, it's the USA that needs to be penalized, not the Russians. Pinguinite  posted on  2018-03-29   12:34:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Pinguinite (#8) They will strive for power again, Absolutely! They have a national inferiority complex,and that drives them to do things that isn't even in their own best interests. sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-29   17:55:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: sneakypete (#15) Absolutely! They have a national inferiority complex,and that drives them to do things that isn't even in their own best interests. Sorry, I was talking about Russia. Not the USA. :^) Pinguinite  posted on  2018-03-29   18:56:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 16. #17. To: Pinguinite (#16) Sorry, I was talking about Russia. Not the USA. :^) So was I. sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-30 16:57:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 16. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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