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Title: Woman ticketed for letting son play in the street
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From The Trenches
URL Source: http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c ... -son-play-in-the-street/221701
Published: Mar 21, 2018
Author: Larry Robinson
Post Date: 2018-03-21 05:27:16 by Deckard
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Views: 1482
Comments: 14
The Journal – by Larry Robinson OGDENSBURG — A city woman who was recently ticketed for allowing her 12-year-old son to play pick-up sports in the street outside their home thinks the municipality should rethink the ordinance and the way it’s enforced. However, at a recent meeting of Ogdensburg City Council, officials expressed support for the law, which police say is needed to ensure public safety and to prevent unruliness. Tamara Graveline, 424 Kiah St., was recently given a “parental responsibility notice” by the Ogdensburg Police Department. The ticket states that on the afternoon of Feb. 24, her son “committed an offense which constitutes a violation of playing in city streets, pursuant to section 153-4 of the Ogdensburg municipal codes.” The notice further points out that additional violations could result in charges of trespass or disorderly conduct. Ms. Graveline brought the issue to the attention of City Council. She pointed out that in today’s world of video games and other technology-driven forms of entertainment, playing outside should be encouraged, not treated as a criminal activity. She quoted from the city’s ordinance itself, which reads that “no person shall play ball, or knock or kick any ball, or play any sport or game in any public street, lane or alley.” The mother of two boys, ages 11 and 12, Ms. Graveline, employed as a nurse, said she encourages her children to be outside. “I’m not here to dispute the fact that children should not be allowed to play in any street,” she said. “Not all children should be allowed to play in all streets.” However, Ms. Graveline said street ball and street hockey and other sports-related activities should also be viewed as healthy activities and therefore encouraged — not discouraged. She also suggested that having the no-street-play law on the books creates a situation where selected enforcement occurs, most often only after a neighbor lodges a complaint with city police. Ms. Graveline said hundreds of people have offered their support and agreement with her views in comments posted on her Facebook page. “Traditional street play is good for kids because it allows them to figure out how to use their environment in creative ways on their own,” she said. She said kids playing stick ball, street hockey, jumping rope and other games gives them an opportunity to develop skills related to rulemaking as well as learning how to form their own shifting alliances with playmates. “I would hope that kids of present time, as well as future generations, continue to enjoy this pastime,” Ms. Graveline said. Ogdensburg Police Chief Andrew Kennedy said he understands that outdoor play is healthy, and he is not personally opposed to kids playing in the streets of Ogdensburg. But he said keeping a law on the city books specifically addressing the activity provides a way to limit unruliness and to ensure that children, and the public at large, remain safe. Mr. Kennedy said that even without a law on the books specifically addressing children at play, there are other local laws that his officers would apply if they felt a situation was dangerous or creating a public nuisance. As an example, he pointed to the charge of disorderly conduct. “If there was not a law saying kids can’t play in city streets, if they were obstructing the flow of traffic, it would still apply,” Mr. Kennedy said. “And in good conscience, to be honest with you, if there was a law or not, if there was a safety issue we certainly would be responding.” Mayor Wayne Ashley said he, too, believes having an ordinance on the books that bars children from playing in the streets is valid. “It’s a safety valve,” he said. “If there’s a problem, it gets enforced. If there isn’t a problem, kids play in the street.”
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
Once upon a time, the streets belonged to people. Now police and government keeps us very safe.
You do have some sense sometimes.
We used to play hockey in the scteet. We had roller skates a smashed beer can and broom stick handles. It was a blast.
Nearly three years after a car hit and killed a little boy as he played in the street , a community is taking steps to protect other kids in the University Area neighborhood.
It depends on the street Gatlin. People get hit in crosswalks more often I would think.
Not really "playing" in the street, was he Parsons? From your article: Now, a memorial stands in remembrance of the little boy who rolled into the road playing on his scooter. That kid was six - in the article I posted, the 12-year-old kids were in a group playing street ball and street hockey. She also suggested that having the no-street-play law on the books creates a situation where selected enforcement occurs, most often only after a neighbor lodges a complaint with city police. Let me guess - you ratted them out? Thanx, you too. Polish street scene:
Not according to Ogdensburg municipal codes section 153-4.
You know what Gatlin. The government makes a lot of stupid laws. If they are stupid I will ignore them if the consequence is not to great.
The ages you posted are correct in both articles. With that insignificant factor out of the way....now please kindly show me where the Ogdensburg municipal codes section 153-4 exempts 12- year-old kids from playing in the streets and permits them to do so.
A little off topic but if a burglar came into your house and tried to stab you and you had a gun would you shoot them?
Definitely.
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/arizona
#2. To: A Pole (#1)
#3. To: Deckard (#0)
#4. To: Deckard (#0)
#5. To: Gatlin (#4)
#6. To: Gatlin (#4)
...a car hit and killed a little boy as he played in the street
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#7. To: A K A Stone (#2)
You do have some sense sometimes.
#8. To: A K A Stone (#5)
It depends on the street Gatlin.
People get hit in crosswalks more often I would think.
I would think that also.
#9. To: Gatlin (#8)
#10. To: Deckard (#6)
That kid was six - in the article I posted, the 12-year-old kids were in a group playing street ball and street hockey.
#11. To: Gatlin (#10)
#12. To: A K A Stone (#9)
You know what Gatlin. The government makes a lot of stupid laws.
If they are stupid I will ignore them if the consequence is not to great.
That’s fine. Everyone has that choice. I have no problem with someone doing that.
#13. To: A K A Stone (#11)
A little off topic but if a burglar came into your house and tried to stab you and you had a gun would you shoot them?
Yes.
#14. To: Gatlin (#13)
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