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Title: The End of the world as we know it
Source: Revelation: A Historicist View
URL Source: http://barrymidyet.com
Published: Mar 18, 2018
Author: Barry Midyet
Post Date: 2018-03-18 09:01:35 by interpreter
Keywords: The End, 2018
Views: 6044
Comments: 95

I've heard a lot of people say the end of the world is coming. And they are absolutely correct. 2018 is (or will be) the end of the world as we know it.

From my book:

Last Page Yearly Supplement 2018 in Bible Prophecy As I always do, I must add my standard qualifier here but with three words added this time:

These predictions are based on the Bible, and thus cannot fail to come true— But I may be ahead of God’s (and/or Trump’s) timetable by a year or two.

1. The first of the last plagues – skin cancer – will begin to abet But the others – especially global warming – will continue for a while yet

2. Trump together with some NATO nations and Russia, et al, will also take out Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi— The demon-possessed king in Raqqa (or wherever he is trying to hide from Trump & company).

3. Trump & company will also take out Kim Jong-Un, the evil little whore in Pyongyang. (See commentary on Revelation 17 for more on little whores of the atheist kind).

4. Trump will no doubt also have to take out the evil Ayatollah Khomeini, the de facto king in Tehran, Because Tehran is very accurately pointed to and bisected by the Jerusalem- to-the-dry-Euphrates direction.

5. Trump will also have to take out Mawlawi Haibatah Akhundzada, the evil king of the Taliban in Afghanistan. He has already taken out many fighters there with one drop of the exceedingly great “Mother Of All Bombs” which gives Trump the upper hand.

6. The Good News is, that’s it. When all of Satan’s forces are killed off (as we are commanded to do in Luke 19:27), The long-awaited “Heaven on Earth” will commence, and the 24 Christian nations in NATO will rule the Earth unhindered by Satan for a millennium.

Your kingdom come, your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven, Amen!

Barry Midyet

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#20. To: interpreter (#18)

Melania Trump was baptized Catholic in her native Slovenia by her mother and the parish priest in her hometown, in 1970. When she visited the Pope, she brought her own personal rosary for him to bless it. Melania Trump is Catholic

Having emigrated to the US and married a Presbyterian husband, it is entirely possible that he moved to the Episcopalians and she did also, so they would be on as common ground as possible.

But Melania was Catholic - born and baptized (though probably not much churched, in the Communist Yugoslavia of her youth).

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-03-19   17:25:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: interpreter, sneakypete (#19)
(Edited)

In case you dont know it, when one Ayatolla dies, another one replaces him within a couple days.

Iran is just making it up as they go.

The original Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini died in 1989 and was replaced by the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (after a funeral that rivalled Mussolini's for sheer spectacle). No blood relation. Khamenei has been in power ever since as the Supreme Leader of Iran, kind of a theocratic dicatator-for-life that relies for his power on the morality police and Iran's Republican Guard.

I bet Trump would just love to have a title like Supreme Leader. It would fit him. We really should find a flashy uniform for Trump to wear on ceremonial occasions. He would eat that stuff up.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-03-19   18:22:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Vicomte13 (#20)

Melania Trump was baptized Catholic in her native Slovenia by her mother and the parish priest in her hometown, in 1970. When she visited the Pope, she brought her own personal rosary for him to bless it. Melania Trump is Catholic

Having emigrated to the US and married a Presbyterian husband, it is entirely possible that he moved to the Episcopalians and she did also, so they would be on as common ground as possible.

But Melania was Catholic - born and baptized (though probably not much churched, in the Communist Yugoslavia of her youth).

Like I already told you, Melania was not allowed to even attend the Catholic Church, much less be baptized. Her dad was a very high-ranking atheist (Communist) official who's job it was to put people to death for attending the Ronan Catholic Church. He probably would have killed even his own daughter if she would have done what you so ridiculously claim.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-19   18:37:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Tooconservative (#21)

The original Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini died in 1989 and was replaced by the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (after a funeral that rivalled Mussolini's for sheer spectacle). No blood relation. Khamenei has been in power ever since as the Supreme Leader of Iran, kind of a theocratic dicatator-for-life that relies for his power on the morality police and Iran's Republican Guard.

Isn't that exactly what I just said?? You just like to argue all the time even when we agree and are saying the exact same thing.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-19   18:44:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: interpreter (#22)

Like I already told you, Melania was not allowed to even attend the Catholic Church, much less be baptized. Her dad was a very high-ranking atheist (Communist) official who's job it was to put people to death for attending the Ronan Catholic Church. He probably would have killed even his own daughter if she would have done what you so ridiculously claim.

You are delusional. Russian Orthodox Priest was a KGB career field. The commies LOVED for people to go to church to confess. Stalin went to Divinity School before going into politics.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-19   19:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: interpreter (#19)

That is probably the dumbest and completely untrue post I've heard yet (if that were possible). In case you dont know it, when one Ayatolla dies, another one replaces him within a couple days.

Speaking of dumb,you wrote "the Ayatollah Khomeini. Khomeini is DEAD,DOOD!

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-19   19:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: interpreter (#22)

if she would have done what you so ridiculously claim.

My claim is true: Melania Trump was baptized a Catholic, as a baby, by her mother in Slovenia. That's simply a fact of history, duly recorded in the baptismal records. She had her rosary blessed by the Pope when she visited.

Why are you insulting me over historical fact.

So her dad was a Communist atheist. Mine was an atheist with Communist leanings in his youth. But my mom was Catholic, so I was baptized Catholic. Just like Melania. Women are bitchy and difficult and force men into all sorts of compromises they don't want to do on principle - and if the men won't yield, women will go ahead and do what they want anyway.

Whether her dad agreed or not, Melania's mom baptized her. and Melania is Catholic.

I wasn't churched as a kid either. Doesn't mean I wasn't, or am not, Catholic.

The Episcopalians are probably the common ground that Donald and Melania found regarding religion.

There is no need to insult me over simple historical fact.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-03-19   20:04:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: interpreter (#22)

Her dad was a very high-ranking atheist (Communist) official who's job it was to put people to death for attending the Ronan Catholic Church.

This is a fabrication. Catholicism was legal in Communist Yugoslavia, and the people practiced it. They were not hounded down and put to death for it. The Church was forbidden participation in politics (which it resisted, subtly), but the Catholic Churches were not shut down, were not illegal, and people continued to be baptized in them, married in them, had funerals in them, etc.

And in Serbia, the same was true of the Orthodox church.

Melania's father may have been an atheist Communist fanatic, but he was not charged with huntind down and killing Catholics who went to Church, because Tito's Yugoslavia didn't do that. And his wife, Melania's mother, was Catholic, and had Melania baptized - whether the father knew that or not, who can say?

These things are history. Let's not make up crazy things that didn't happen.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-03-19   20:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Vicomte13, interpreter (#26) (Edited)

Secret Catholic handshake, caught on camera.

Melania Trump Is First Catholic to Live in White House Since JFK

After Melania Trump met with Pope Francis in the Vatican Wednesday, her spokeswoman confirmed that the First Lady is indeed a Roman Catholic, the first to occupy her post since Jackie Kennedy.

The last time the United States had a Catholic as First Lady was during the presidency of John F. Kennedy, whose wife Jackie Kennedy—like him—was a Roman Catholic. When Melania moves into the White House together with their son Barron this summer, she will become the first Catholic occupant of the White House since the Kennedy era.

On meeting the Pope Wednesday, Melania asked him to bless her rosary and later visited the Bambin Gesù (Baby Jesus) pediatric hospital, where she met with young patients and their families, prayed in a chapel and laid flowers at the feet of a statue of the Virgin Mary.

Later that day, the First Lady’s spokeswoman Stephanie Grisham confirmed to DailMail.com that Melania is a practicing Catholic.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-03-19   20:16:47 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Vicomte13 (#27)

I dont know about the rest of Yugoslavia, but in Slovenia the Roman Catholics were severely persecuted (by Melania's father).

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-19   20:35:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: hondo68 (#28) (Edited)

Then the spokesperson either told a bald-faced lie or made up some fake news to make Melania sound more appealing to the Pope and the Roman Catholics. Melania is not, and never has been a Roman Catholic.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-19   20:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: hondo68 (#28)

Actually Melania is a Catholic, but an Anglo-Catholic, not Roman-Catholic. All Episcopalians consider themselves to be a member of the Catholic Church. In that sense the spokeswoman is right. I miss-spoke when I suggested the spokesperson told a bold-face lie. He was telling the truth. Melania is indeed a practicing Catholic (of the Anglican variety).

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-19   21:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: interpreter (#31)

of the Anglican variety).

I didn't know there were two kinds of Catholics. Well they aren't really Catholics but Anglicans. Apparently they were "Catholic", but when the Roman Catholic variety drifted from scripture by appointing a "pope" ruler over the churches and calling him holy father the Anglicans chose to follow God instead of the pope man. That would mean that the Roman Catholic s are imposters, and if there was a church founded but Peter it would be the Anglicans and not the blasphemous Roman Catholics.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-03-19   21:16:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Vicomte13 (#32)

The above comment is for you too Vic. It should make for some interesting threads in the future. Should you decide to participate.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-03-19   21:17:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

In that case it was probably like you (or someone) suggested. Her Mom snuck her into the Church when dad wasn't looking, And I am pretty sure that Melania does not remember what happened when she was a baby so its a moot point.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-19   21:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: hondo68 (#28)

Melania is a practicing Catholic.

A. Who cares

B. She'll have the money to "buy" an annulment before the trial, just like shit-head jr.'s wife

Fuck you Hondo. You are a piece of shit that told us to vote for faggot lover Gary johnson. You told us to vote for the open borders piece of shit Gary Johnson. You were also ok with supporting Johnson even though he was for abortion. Now you talk about taking up arms against the President. Fuck you asshole never come around here again. I hope they send you to gitmo.

Jameson  posted on  2018-03-19   21:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Vicomte13 (#27)

Melania's mother, was Catholic, and had Melania baptized - whether the father knew that or not, who can say?

According to your beliefs which are probably the Catholic churches beliefs. What is the point in getting baptized as a baby? Does it make them Catholic? If so are they still Catholic if they decide to become Baptists later in life?

Honestly baby baptizing isn't scriptural is it?

Shouldn't people come to a decision about it on their own and choose to do it?

Because baptizing babies honestly sounds kind of unbiblical idoltry type behavior. Idoltry probably isn't the right word.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-03-19   21:26:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jameson (#35)

You are really hostile to a president who is doing great things.

Could you give me your top 3 to five things that make you feel that way. You can leave his appointing pro life judges off your list, I already know that one about you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-03-19   21:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#32)

didn't know there were two kinds of Catholics. Well they aren't really Catholics but Anglicans. Apparently they were "Catholic", but when the Roman Catholic variety drifted from scripture by appointing a "pope" ruler over the churches and calling him holy father the Anglicans chose to follow God instead of the pope man. That would mean that the Roman Catholic s are imposters, and if there was a church founded but Peter it would be the Anglicans and not the blasphemous Roman Catholics.

That is pretty much the way I see it too, except I am not quite as hard on the Roman Church as you are. BTW, Peter founded the Jerusalem and Antioch Churches (and quite possibly the Anglican and Alexandrian Churches) long before he made it to Rome and started a fifth Church.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-19   21:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: interpreter (#29)

I have no doubt that Catholics, who, as in Poland, used the Church as a mask behind which they communicated and organized political dissent, and protected dissenters, were persecuted by Tito’s regime. But Catholics were not hunted down and killed for going to Church, the Churches were not closed. Nor were they co-opted into the government. They were similar to what they were in Castro’s Cuba or Communist Poland or 18th Century British-occupied Ireland: a closely - watched, officially suspect, Ill-treated but legal institution. To be Catholic was to be distrusted and barred from government power. But itdidn’t Mean getting slaughtered. It did in 17th Century Ireland, at the hands of Cromwell and the English, but in the end Cromwell lost. The English were unable to destroy Catholicism in Ireland, and were not able to crush out the Church. Tito did not go the route of extermination in Yugoslavia, just as Castro didn’t try to exterminate the Church in Cuba. Persecuted? Yes. Massacred? No.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-03-19   22:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: interpreter, hondo68 (#30)

Melania is not, and never has been a Roman Catholic.

Yes she is.

The evidence is obvious. I'm now a Trump fan.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-03-20   0:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone, interpreter (#32)

I didn't know there were two kinds of Catholics.

Don't forget Lutherans - "More catholic than Catholic".

And when one farts all the angels dance in Hea... {err} hmm, no wait. That's not how that goes.

VxH  posted on  2018-03-20   0:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: interpreter (#11)

Well, he's not perfect. Only Jesus was/is perfect

Well, Jesus didn't pay the woman at the well $130000 to keep quiet about his alleged adultery and then forget to sign the binding agreement either.

Just my opinion - But I'd expect someone who'd undergone an honest conversion would just say, "hey that was the old Adam... I'm not him anymore" - instead of trying to cover it up.

So, I'm skeptical that his behavior indicates that his religious epiphany is anything more than a political convenience.

VxH  posted on  2018-03-20   0:39:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Vicomte13 (#39)

But Catholics were not hunted down and killed for going to Church, the Churches were not closed.

Keep doing good job in trying to deprogram those guys. They are brainwashed by the dark forces, lying along the mental road, in a need of a good Samaritan.

A Pole  posted on  2018-03-20   1:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: interpreter (#30)

Melania is not, and never has been a Roman Catholic.

And you know this because...?

You don't know this. She was baptized as a baby, which makes her Catholic until she does something about it. She never did anything about it, practices the religion as an adult, including taking that Marian rosary to the Pope to have it blessed when she met him.

That Melania is a Catholic doesn't fit one of your narratives, one of the stories by which you shape your view of the world, so you deny it loudly, but without any basis. That doesn't change anything.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-03-20   6:21:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: A K A Stone (#32)

didn't know there were two kinds of Catholics. Well they aren't really Catholics but Anglicans. Apparently they were "Catholic", but when the Roman Catholic variety drifted from scripture by appointing a "pope" ruler over the churches and calling him holy father the Anglicans chose to follow God instead of the pope man.

There are 23 different kinds of Catholics. What distinguishes them from the other forms of Christianity )Orthodox and Protestant) is that all 23 Catholic Churches and their members consider the Pope to be the head of the Church on earth. The largest of the Catholic Churches, comprising about 90% of Catholics, is the Roman Catholic Church, also known as the Latin Rite. Other Catholic Churches include the Byzantine Catholic Church, the Melkites, the (Eastern and Western Syrian Rites, i(Which include the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church, the Chaldean Catholic Church, etc.), the Copts, the Ruthenians, the Armenian Rite, the Maronites, etc. Now there is an Anglican Use in the Latin Church, which is moving towards an Anglican Rite.

The Anglican Church itself has a simple and well-known history. The English were all Catholic until the age of Martin Luther. England remained Catholic and did not go Lutheran, but then the English King, Henry VIII, wanted a divorce. The Catholic Church forbade divorce. She he broke with the Pope and made himself the head of the Church in England. He did not, however, go Protestant. He declared himself the head of the English Church, but blocked the Reformation from proceeding further in England.

It proceeded further anyway, within the Anglican Church, and that division accelerated as Henry aged. By the time of his daughter Elizabeth, the Anglican Church had become a Protestant Church, but maintained the episcopacy (the Bishops), the priesthood, and many of the sacraments of Catholicism, but it severely persecuted its rival, Catholicism, within England. Eventually the English Church went full Calvinist Puritan during Cromwell's reign after the English Civil War, but puritanism did not ride well with the English people, many of whom became recusants and privately practiced Catholicism. When Cromwell died, the English invited the Stuarts back to be King, and Charles II, who had been raised at the Catholic Court of Louis XIV during the Cromwell dictatorship, came back to England and took the Church of England back towards a very Catholic-looking and sounding religion. With no heirs, the political classes of England tolerated a Catholic king, and probably would have tolerated his brother, James II, who was a much more vocal Catholic. But then James' wife conceived a child, and suddenly the English throne looked to be populated by a Catholic heir. The Glorious Revolution of 1688 ended that.

But as time drifted forward into the 19th and 20th Centuries, and England found itself allied with Catholic powers (Spain, then France), and reconciled itself to religious tolerance, the outright Catholic population has steadily grown, and the Anglican Church has tried to find a middle way - maintaining a very catholic looking and feeling "High Church", and a protestant looking "low church".

With the ordination of women and open homosexuals as bishops and priests, conservative Anglicans have increasingly found themselves unwelcome in their own church and have "swum the Tiber" in large numbers. This, in turn, led the Popes, particularly Pope Benedict, to create an "Anglican Use" within the Catholic Church, that uses a slightly modified Book of Common Prayer, and admits married Anglican priests as married Catholic priests. Of course the Protestant Anglicans view this as poaching, and many Protestant Anglicans call themselves "Anglo-Catholics" because the Anglican service is essentially an old mass. But this is their own name for themselves. Actually Anglican Use Catholics are Catholic: they are in unity with Rome. If you're not in unity with Rome, you're not Catholic, though you may be Orthodox.

The Anglo-Catholic Anglicans are not Catholic, because they are not in union with the Pope, and they are not Orthodox, because they have abandoned several of the Sacraments, notably Confession. It looks Catholic, it calls its priests "father", it sounds Catholic, it likes to style itself Catholic, but it isn't Catholic - and it's dying out due to liberal politics. Conservatives swim the Tiber, and Pope Benedict XVI basically built them a bridge so they can walk right in without getting their feet wet.

The bitterness between the Irish and the English over the centuries was primarily caused by the fact that the Irish refused to stop being Catholics, and the English tried to violently suppress Irish Catholicism. They failed quite miserably: the Irisih rejected the English Church and stuck with Rome, and the violence the English used to try to crush out Catholicism only made the Irish irreconcilable to England, and caused them to be the first out of the Empire.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-03-20   6:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#36) (Edited)

ccording to your beliefs which are probably the Catholic churches beliefs. What is the point in getting baptized as a baby? Does it make them Catholic? If so are they still Catholic if they decide to become Baptists later in life?

Honestly baby baptizing isn't scriptural is it?

Shouldn't people come to a decision about it on their own and choose to do it?

Because baptizing babies honestly sounds kind of unbiblical idoltry type behavior. Idoltry probably isn't the right word.

Well your post wasn't to me, and I dont know what Vic believes, but I can tell you what I believe. I could probably write a whole book on this subject, but let me sum it up by saying I am an Anabaptist. Notice that I said Ana- Baptist and not Southern Baptist. An Anabaptist is an Anglican (or Episcopalian) who believes that its perfectly alright to Baptize babies. (The Book of Acts says, following the Pentecost the disciples baptized whole families). But Anabaptists believe that a baby should be re-baptized when they reach the age of accountability. (Generally, for most kids (and most Churches), anywhere between 12 and 14). I did not grow up in the Episcopal Church, but I was baptized in the Nazarene Church (a branch of the Methodist Church) at age 14. Later, in my 60's, I was rebaptized in an Episcopal Church by a bishop descended from ST. Peter and with the water he used (from the Jordan River). It doesn't hurt to be baptized twice (better to be on the safe side).

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-20   7:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: All (#46)

Wow, we must have posted at the same time. Anyhow, we now also know what Vic believes. Anyone else want to chime in on the subject of Baptism?

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-20   7:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Vicomte13 (#45)

There are 23 different kinds of Catholics. What distinguishes them from the other forms of Christianity )Orthodox and Protestant) is that all 23 Catholic Churches and their members consider the Pope to be the head of the Church on earth.

I didn't read your entire comment yet but let me start here.

I read that the Anglicans split from the Catholic Church because the pope. I admit it was a brief reading that I did to come to that conclusion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-03-20   7:36:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Vicomte13 (#45)

I skimmed your comment a bit and I now see you say Anglicans aren't Catholic.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-03-20   7:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Vicomte13 (#45) (Edited)

Well, that's a pretty long post, and I will have to say I agree with most of it, but not all. First, while are no longer in communion with the Roman Church, we are now in the (long) process of coming back together in full communion with the Orthodox Church(es). About 20 years ago, the Archbishop of Canterbury for the first time in history, gave permission for Anglicans to say the Nicene Creed either the western (Roman) way or eastern (Orthodox) way which was the first step, and allowed Canterbury to enter talks with the head honcho of the Orthodox Church (in Constantinople). And every year since then they have been meeting and we (the Anglican Churches) are now close (very close) to being in full communion with the six Orthodox Churches (as prophesied in the Bible). When that happens, and the western lampstand is restored -- but in Canterbury, and likely not Rome (as long as the present Pope is in power) -- the seven golden lampstands of the Church will again rule the Earth together united as one as at first -- and this time for a thousand years. Actually it will be 24 nations descended from the seven golden lampstands (or 8 lampstands if you include both Canterbury AND Rome).

As for the conflict between the Irish Catholics and the Anglicans, well that is a very long conflict that goes back about a thousand years, and you have over-simplified it and have over-slanted it towards the Irish (or Roman Catholic) side. They were the blood thirsty ones who when they were in power (as with Bloody Mary) slaughtered all the Anglican priests and bishops who refused to say the Mass (or (Eucharist) the Roman way. The two versions are identical except for the placement of one word. Where the Irish Catholics say "the blessed ever-virgin Mary", we say the ever-blessed Virgin Mary. That's the only difference. They worship Mary. We worship Jesus.

Not sure what any of that has to do with baptism though which (I think) is what Stone was asking about.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-20   8:29:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: A K A Stone (#48) (Edited)

Actually, the Anglican Church/ England was never under the jurisdiction of Rome except whenever Rome sent someone to conquer England and force them to come under the jurisdiction of Rome (beginning with the Norman kings, and continuing off and on for about 1600 years and it got very bad, awful bloody at times. All (or mostly) because we refuse to say Mary was forever a virgin which we Anglicans consider to be a heresy. The fact that we are also a little bit more lenient when it comes to granting a divorce has also entered into it if you are talking about Henry the 8th. But that is only one king out of many dozens who broke with Rome.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-20   9:12:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: interpreter, vicomte13 (#51)

Mary was forever a virgin

If that was the case it would have sucked to be Joseph. I don't think Mary was a bitch that would do that to her husband.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-03-20   9:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: A K A Stone (#36)

According to your beliefs which are probably the Catholic churches beliefs. What is the point in getting baptized as a baby? Does it make them Catholic? If so are they still Catholic if they decide to become Baptists later in life?

Honestly baby baptizing isn't scriptural is it?

Shouldn't people come to a decision about it on their own and choose to do it?

Because baptizing babies honestly sounds kind of unbiblical idoltry type behavior. Idoltry probably isn't the right word.

I'll answer. There's formal Catholic doctrine, and there's private belief.

Formal Catholic doctrine is that the sacrament of Baptism was instituted by God, and that in the regular order of things it is necessary, though the Church recognizes that under certain circumstances, men who earnestly yearn for baptism but cannot obtain the actual rite, that their desire to be baptized suffices with God.

Once you are baptized, you are a member of the Church, in parallel to the way that circumcision made a boy a Jew.

What, exactly, baptism DOES is similar to the case of circumcision: God said to DO IT, he didn't explain exactly WHY or WHAT it does.

Catholic theologians have pondered that for nearly 2000 years, and the view of St. Augustine is the prevailing one that is officially taught: Baptism washes away sin including, in particular, the original sin we inherit from Adam, that dooms us to spiritual death. Thus, the Church teaches, or at any rate taught in the past, that baptizing infants as early as possible is imperative lest they die unbaptized. Catholics are taught that in an emergency any baptizes person can baptize another, so nurses of babies born on the verge of death have been known to wipe water on the forehead of the dying newborn and quietly say "I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit", to remove the risk of dying unbaptized from that little soul.

Now, that's the "official" Church teaching. I personally think that most of that is right, though Augustine's "originial sin" reasoning doesn't appeal to me much, because it doesn't seem to be based on anything.

What I personally think is that baptism places the seal of God of a child, and that this protects infants and young children from demonic possession. God seals his own little ones.

The thing you say about making a choice, that is Confirmation. It is the parents who bring the child into the world, and the parents who circumcise the Jewish boys, bringing them into the tribe, or who minister to their own child by having him baptized, putting the seal of grace on him or her, promising to raise the child in the Faith. Then, when the child has grown, the child chooses of his own volition whether or not to celebrate his own religious choice to join his circumcisional people with a bar mitzvah, or his baptismal people with a Confirmation (which involves anointing with oil: a chrismation).

As I see it, the baptism of babies is completely Scriptural, and was thought to be a holy act before scripture was written. When Peter baptized the entire family household of Cornelius the Roman, or when Paul baptized whole families, there is no reason to think that babies were excluded. There's nothing in Scripture that suggests that Baptism is intended by God to be the equivalent of Confirmation. This was all before the Scriptures were written, and the Church has been doing that - baptizing children - since the beginning.

So, that's what the Church does, and thinks, and that's what I personally think. My thinking is within the lines of the Church. I'm not a big fan of Augustine, and find his logic forced, but I've certainly always been aware, from childhood, of that seal of baptism on me, and how it makes me different, and how it has protected me.

There are your answers.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-03-20   10:22:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: interpreter (#51)

Actually, the Anglican Church/ England was never under the jurisdiction of Rome except whenever Rome sent someone to conquer England and force them to come under the jurisdiction of Rome (beginning with the Norman kings, and continuing off and on for about 1600 years and it got very bad, awful bloody at times. All (or mostly) because we refuse to say Mary was forever a virgin which we Anglicans consider to be a heresy. The fact that we are also a little bit more lenient when it comes to granting a divorce has also entered into it if you are talking about Henry the 8th. But that is only one king out of many dozens who broke with Rome.

You're just making it up as you go along.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-03-20   10:23:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: interpreter (#50)

They were the blood thirsty ones who when they were in power (as with Bloody Mary) slaughtered all the Anglican priests and bishops who refused to say the Mass (or (Eucharist) the Roman way.

There never were any Anglican priests in Ireland. The Irish were Catholic from the time of Saint Patrick. Always in union with Rome, from one tip of te island to the other. There was not much religious dissension there, and there was no Reformation in Ireland.

Long before the Reformation, in 1171, Henry Plantagenet, the Norman French king of England (Henry II), invaded Ireland, and Ireland came under Plantagenet rule. The Anglo-Normans were French-speaking Catholics. The Kings of England did not become English-speaking and were mostly born in France until the late 1300s/early 1400s.

Thus, while Ireland was conquered, there was no religious change. It merely meant a change of overlord. Ireland did not become part of the Kingdom of England. Rather, the King of England was also King of Ireland. Had the Norman kings sought to reduce Ireland to a province of England there would have been a popular uprising in Ireland that the small feudal armies at the time never would have been able to put down.

Anglo-Norman rule settled in, Catholic lived with Catholic - there were no Protestants, at all, and the land lay in a medieval feudal peace that would last until the Reformation.

England had a Reformation and much internal strife. So did Scotland. Ireland did not. The Irish were happy with their faith. The Protestant English and Protestant Scots were not happy that the Irish remained Catholic, and came over to Ireland in various waves to molest the Irish. The two worst examples were the launch of Ulster Plantation by King James in 1606, which launched a colonizing effort by Scots Presbyterians into the northern part of Ireland. The Presbyterians came in looking at the Catholic Irish, living in their homeland, as being the equivalent of savage Indians in the Americas, and sought to exterminate them, force conversion or drive them away. This provoked a civil war in which the Catholic Irish were successful at defeating the advance of the Scots Presbyterians, and limited them to 6 of the northern counties of Ulster.

The second and much worse invasion came under Cromwell, whose view of the Catholic Irish was "to hell or to Connaught" (the wild western part of the island.

There was nothing "even handed" about this. It was not the case that the Irish abused the English. The Irish did not invade England or Scotland. The Scots and the English invaded Ireland. The Irish did not abuse Protestant religion: there was no Reformation in Ireland. The Protestants came as colonizers and conquerors, and they slaughtered Catholics because Catholics would not convert. The Catholics DID not convert, fought back, held on, and developed a permanent antipathy towards the English and the Scots Presbyterians who had invaded them and slaughtered them.

You pretend that there were two sides. There were not. The Protestant invasions of Ireland were purely evil, unprovoked and genocidal in intent. God defeated them twice, and Ireland was the first territory after America out of the British Empire. The Irish and the English and Scots can cooperate, but the history is what it is, and the English and Scottish sides of it are savage and disgraceful. Irish Catholics never did anything to the Scottish Protestants in Scotland or the English Protestants in England. Irish Catholics and English Catholics lived in peace under a common, Catholic king for 300 years. The Protestants came out of England and Scotland seeking to murder the Irish Catholics for being Catholics, like Hitler went after the Jews - with that degree of hate and that degree of evil.

They failed. They were defeated, in the case of the Scots. In the English case, Cromwell subdued the island, but the Irish Catholics utterly rejected English Protestantism as the evil, genocidal, demonic religion that it was, to them.

In Ireland, the Catholics were the good guys and the Protestants were the murderous agents of genocide and hell. There were not two sides to it. The Protestants came to kill off Catholicism. God defeated them. Ireland is still Catholic, and always will be, until the end of the world.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-03-20   10:45:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: interpreter (#51)

And what difference does Anglican versus Catholic make in actual practice? The Anglicans support abortion on demand. Catholicism, of course, rejects abortion in all cases except to save the life of the mother.

In fact, there is a clear delineation between the most Catholic countries of Europe and the rest.

The following countries are the only countries in Europe that do NOT have abortion on demand: Belgium, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Malta and Poland. What do they have in common? They're all Catholic.

Some of those countries do allow abortion in cases of fetal handicap or rape or incest.

Of course, religion - Protestant AND Catholic - is fading in Europe, while Islam grows. The Christian-on-Christian fighting of the past managed to kill a great deal of the faith.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-03-20   10:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: interpreter (#0)

24 Christian nations in NATO will rule the Earth unhindered by Satan for a millennium.

Most of those NATO nations have a negative birth rate and any increases are due to Muslim immigrants and refugees. Not to mention every EU nation has permissive abortion laws. When will this change?

redleghunter  posted on  2018-03-20   23:26:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: interpreter (#4)

Of course. God always works through men. In the Old Testament it was Isreal. And now it is through Christian nations. (The God of the OT is the God of the NT)

Europe is dead. The largest expansion of Christianity is Asia and Africa.

redleghunter  posted on  2018-03-20   23:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Vicomte13 (#55) (Edited)

There never were any Anglican priests in Ireland. The Irish were Catholic from the time of Saint Patrick. Always in union with Rome, from one tip of te island to the other. There was not much religious dissension there, and there was no Reformation in Ireland.

Irish Catholics never did anything to the Scottish Protestants in Scotland or the English Protestants in England. Irish Catholics and English Catholics lived in peace under a common, Catholic king for 300 years. The Protestants came out of England and Scotland seeking to murder the Irish Catholics for being Catholics, like Hitler went after the Jews - with that degree of hate and that degree of evil.

I never said there were any Anglican priests in Ireland (that I know of, but there may have been a couple), and I never said the Irish Catholics slaughtered any Anglicans in England. What I said was, Roman Catholic kings (and queens) slaughtered Anglican priests and the Anglican Bishops.

But neither the Anglicans nor the Presbyterians liked the Irish Roman Catholics, or any Roman Catholics for that matter, and that led to fighting on both sides. And there is no way that one side was any better than the other side. There is peace now and you really need to quit trying to stir up all that shit again. BTW, my Grandma's Irish ancestors were Irish Protestants, and immigrated to the US to escape the fighting and persecution inflicted by the Irish Catholics.

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-23   16:03:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Vicomte13 (#54) (Edited)

You're just making it up as you go along.

I only post the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The split with Rome began when the Anglican Church (Canterbury) refused to accept the decrees of 7th Ecumenical Council which said Mary was forever a virgin. It had very little to do with divorce laws. That was just the last straw (that broke the camel's back).

interpreter  posted on  2018-03-23   16:17:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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