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Title: Palin's own 'Climate-gate'
Source: Washington Poat
URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy ... /12/14/AR2009121402712_pf.html
Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Eugene Robinson
Post Date: 2009-12-19 15:37:36 by We The People
Keywords: None
Views: 37870
Comments: 224

By Eugene Robinson Tuesday, December 15, 2009

Sarah Palin is such a cold-eyed skeptic about the Copenhagen summit on climate change that it's no surprise she would call on President Obama not to attend. After all, Obama might join other leaders in acknowledging that warming is a "global challenge." He might entertain "opportunities to reduce greenhouse gas emissions." He might even explore ways to "participate in carbon-trading markets."

Oh, wait. Those quotes aren't from some smug Euro-socialist manifesto. They're from an administrative order Palin signed in September 2007, as governor of Alaska, establishing a "sub-Cabinet" of top state officials to develop a strategy for dealing with climate change.

Back then, Palin was the governor of a state where "coastal erosion, thawing permafrost, retreating sea ice, record forest fires, and other changes are affecting, and will continue to affect, the lifestyles and livelihoods of Alaskans," as she wrote. Faced with that reality, she sensibly formed the high-level working group to chart a course of action.

"Climate change is not just an environmental issue," wrote Palin. "It is also a social, cultural, and economic issue important to all Alaskans."

Palin mentioned having created the climate change unit in an op-ed she wrote last week for The Post. What she didn't acknowledge was the contrast between what she says about climate change now and what she said -- and did -- about it as governor of our most at-risk state. When she was in office, Palin treated the issue as serious, complex and worthy of urgent attention. Now that she's the iconic leader of a populist movement that reacts with anger at the slightest whiff of pointy-headed, "one world" intellectualism, she writes as if the idea of seeking ways to mitigate climate change is a crock.

"Alaska's climate is warming," Palin wrote to Alaskans in a July 2008 newsletter. "While there have been warming and cooling trends before, climatologists tell us that the current rate of warming is unprecedented within the time of human civilization. Many experts predict that Alaska, along with our northern latitude neighbors, will warm at a faster pace than any other areas, and the warming will continue for decades."

In her administrative order, Palin instructed the sub-Cabinet group to develop recommendations on "the opportunities to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from Alaska sources, including the expanded use of alternative fuels, energy conservation, energy efficiency, renewable energy, land use management, and transportation planning." She also instructed the group to look into "carbon-trading markets."

But in her op-ed last week, Palin -- while acknowledging "natural, cyclical environmental trends" and the possibility that human activity might be contributing to warming -- states flatly that "any potential benefits of proposed emissions reduction policies are far outweighed by their economic costs." What she once called "carbon-trading markets" she now denounces as "the Democrats' cap-and-tax proposal."

Palin cites the "Climate-gate" e-mail scandal as reason enough for the president to skip the Copenhagen summit. I've written about those e-mails and why, despite what skeptics say, they do not begin to prove that climate science is fraudulent, politicized or fundamentally flawed. The most compelling evidence for climate change is found in the Arctic, and Palin has seen it firsthand.

In her 2008 newsletter, Palin mentioned one coastal village, Newtok, that would have to be relocated because of flooding due to the effects of warmer temperatures. Since then, relocation plans have been developed for two more towns, Shishmaref and Kivalina. The Army Corps of Engineers has identified more than 160 villages that are threatened, according to a recent newsletter from Palin's successor, Gov. Sean Parnell. At least 31 are judged to be in "imminent" peril.

In case anyone was wondering, Palin's home town of Wasilla sits at an elevation of 333 feet -- high and dry.

The chairman of the Cabinet working group that Palin assembled to develop a climate change strategy, Larry Hartig, is scheduled to deliver a presentation at Copenhagen. Posted in advance on the Internet, the presentation shows that Alaskans aren't just fretting about the abstract possibility of effects from warming. They're dealing with a real, live situation.

I predict we'll see more artful dodges of this kind from Palin. She made any number of pragmatic, reasonable, smart decisions as governor -- and now, it seems, will be obliged to renounce them all. Her tea-party legions have one answer -- a shouted "No!" -- for every question.

Palin knows better, but she has to fiddle her followers' chosen tune -- not while Rome burns, but while Nome melts.

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#185. To: Mad Dog (#184)

No you certainly do NOT "know" that.

See my post #173 where I cited two pages to Palin being interviewed on her stance on pro-amnesty. She is for it and even said so herself. Read it, Mad Dog. Read it again. Straight from the source. I didn't make it up. She said it herself! Those are her words. She is FOR AMNESTY. And that makes her unsuitable for the presidency. Anybody who stands FOR amnesty of illegal aliens, is a traitor! Palin, just by her own admission, is telling Americans who she represents. And its not Americans.

Let Americans read that interview for themselves. If they want to discredit the source (Univision) then somebody needs to explain how Palin's statements got in there.

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-27   23:06:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: goldeeluckx (#185)

I HAVE read it, and I have explained about a F ing million times what she said.

Hell I just explained it again to you.

You need to be able to use that thing between your ears for something more than a hat rack.

You need to be able to THINK.

Esse Quam Videri.

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-27   23:14:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: Mad Dog (#186) (Edited)

I HAVE read it, and I have explained about a F ing million times what she said.

No need to insult, Mad Dog. It's obvious that you choose to ignore the fact what she actually stated. Your initial response to those posted interviews was that the interview was a lie!

I am familiar with Univision enough to know they have been around for some time. And when they interview American diplomats, they do so for the purpose of informing their people, the Latino population, what and where our American diplomats stand on international issues concerning NAFTA-GATT, trade issues with Mexico, drug cartel issues, and of course, amnesty.

And so far, that interview remains undisputed!

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-27   23:28:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: goldeeluckx (#187)

I'm NOT insulting, I'm stating a FACT.

"A" path is not a specific phrase.

My initial response was that the interpretation of what she actually said, was, and IS, a F ing LIE.

I'm NOT going to chew your food for you, or cut the crust off of your bread for you, and neither is Governor Palin.

A basic level of intelligence and comprehension is required by a free people who wish to maintain a republic. Maybe it's too late? So many so called adults seem to be incapable of even elementary levels of deductive thought and comprehension, or intellectual honesty.

Even though I donned my rain gear before getting into this, I'm done pi$$ing into the wind on this tonight.

Thanks for being civil, and NOT spit flecked PDS insane, I really do honestly appreciate it.

Esse Quam Videri.

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-28   0:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: Mad Dog (#188)

No the fact is you cannot accept the interview as being undisputed.

Palin IS FOR AMNESTY. If its a lie, Omnivision would have been sued a long time ago for impersonating Palin and making up interviews like this to put her in a false light.

The interview remains undisputed!

And I'm going to keep that interview because I have a feeling it will suddenly "disappear" around the time Palin runs for office.

Right now, most people are unaware of where Palin stands on illegal immigration. I've noticed that even Free Republic had referenced some of her quotes but not the full interview like this one. But Univision, and to those like myself and others informed about this, are not "in the dark" about where she stands. This interview will be brought up to her in two years from now and she will have some explaining to do to the American people. You see this immigration issue is KEY as to where one's loyalty stands with Americans.

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   0:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: Mad Dog (#188) (Edited)

"A" path is not a specific phrase.

Here. From my post #173, of that interview, pg 2, I quote that interview in part [emphasized for clarity]:

As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?

There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant -there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that's not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants? No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They've got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.

To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

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The fact is, Palin is PRO AMNESTY. And because she is pro-amnesty, she supports illegal aliens coming into this country which violates our immigration laws. We either have laws in this country or we don't! You either go by the law or you are a traitor because when you allow illegals into this country you are aiding and abetting criminal aliens and possible potential terrorists! No if ands or buts about this!

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   0:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: goldeeluckx (#190)

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants? No, I do not. I do not.

The fact is, Palin is PRO AMNESTY.

What the fook don't you inderstand about, " No, I do not. I do not."? Where the hell do you claim you were educated, Mexico?

The fact is, you are lite in the loafers.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-28   1:55:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: goldeeluckx (#189)

Palin IS FOR AMNESTY. If its a lie, Omnivision would have been sued a long time ago

You're the one who is the liar.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-28   1:57:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: goldeeluckx (#173)

www.univision.com/content...534&cid=1716304&pagenum=2

Question:

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?

Palin:

No, I do not. I do not.

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WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-28   2:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: goldeeluckx (#173)

Palin's not in office.

Someone you support Ron Paul, is.

Dr Ron Paul has voted three times for amnesty he is against any requirements /path for illegals to stay in the U.S.
To grant, extend or continue Section 245-i amnesties for illegal aliens
Paul voted in 1997( H.R. 1885)
2001( H.R. 1885)
2002 (H RES 365)

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WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-28   2:06:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: goldeeluckx (#179)

I do have the gift of seeing the future.

moron.

time for the next screen name.

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WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-28   2:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: Ibluafartsky (#192) (Edited)

You're the one who is the liar.

No, but what it appears to me is that Palin is dancing around this very issue. Do I have to spell it out for you too?

To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

Palin doesn't seem to be too concerned about immigration laws here at all. It appears flat out that she is pro-amnesty ALL THE WAY! These illegals all need to be deported! Every damn one of them. And if you have a problem with deporting illegals on this country than, you may as well be supporting those like Palin, McCain, Bush, Cheney, etc, guilty of aiding and abetting criminal aliens and potential terrorists. September 11 would NEVER have happened had we known who these people were that were in this country illegally getting access to our airplanes AND DEPORTED THEM.

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   2:08:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: WhiteSands (#193)

No...here's the pertinent part. They need to be deported! Palin has issues with this. See here:

"As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?

There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant -there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that's not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration."

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   2:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: goldeeluckx (#196)

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?
No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They've got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.

To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?
I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-28   2:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: goldeeluckx (#197)

“I do have the gift of seeing the future.”
goldeeluckx posted on 2009-12-27 21:21:22 ET

So in the future you see Sarah as president?

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WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-28   2:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: WhiteSands (#198)

Ok but do you see what Palin is doing?

SHE'S DANCING AROUND THIS! She does NOT want to commit herself to any one stance on this issue because it will haunt her when she runs for president (which she will do) McCain did the same thing.

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   2:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: WhiteSands (#199)

I see her running for President in 2012 under the Republican Party.

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   2:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: goldeeluckx (#201)

I see her running for President in 2012 under the Republican Party.

Does she win the primaries and become the parties nominee for President?

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WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-28   2:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: (#200)

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WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-28   2:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: goldeeluckx (#200)

SHE'S DANCING AROUND THIS! She does NOT want to commit herself to any one stance on this issue because it will haunt her when she runs for president (which she will do) McCain did the same thing.

Smart.

Obama, a guy that's in office, along with Pelosi and Reid are working on amnesty now.

Did you know that?

You didn't know McCain's Z Visa BS immigration position as he ran for president?

So you can only see forward.

Not the present : Obama, Pelosi, Reid.

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WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-28   2:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: goldeeluckx (#196)

No, but what it appears to me is that Palin is dancing around this very issue.

You stated she favors amnesty for illegals and that's a fookin LIE!

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-28   2:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: WhiteSands (#202)

Does she win the primaries and become the parties nominee for President?

Quite possibly!

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   2:28:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: goldeeluckx (#196)

Palin doesn't seem to be too concerned about immigration laws here at all.

What the hell are you smoking? Where were you educated? Were you educated?

What does this mean? "It is so important that yes, people follow the rules "

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-28   2:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: goldeeluckx (#206)

Quite possibly!

You didn't even know McCain's Immigration position.

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WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-28   2:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: WhiteSands (#204)

You didn't know McCain's Z Visa BS immigration position as he ran for president?

Yes I did know about McCain's position on immigration BEFORE he ran for president. I knew he was a phoney from the start. I never liked him at all. Never.

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   2:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: Ibluafartsky (#207)

Why don't you ask Sarah Palin!

To me, it means she's talking out of both sides of her neck. In other words, she's playing two-faced on this issue. McCain did this game too.

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   2:33:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: Ibluafartsky (#205)

You stated she favors amnesty for illegals and that's a fookin LIE!

What does the sentence below mean to you?

"To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here."

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   2:36:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: goldeeluckx (#209)

Yes I did know about McCain's position on immigration BEFORE he ran for president. I knew he was a phoney from the start. I never liked him at all. Never.

So again you wrote something you don't believe.

"SHE'S DANCING AROUND THIS! She does NOT want to commit herself to any one stance on this issue because it will haunt her when she runs for president (which she will do) McCain did the same thing."

goldeeluckx posted on 2009-12-28 2:15:39 ET

Why don't you useyour LP screen name of Tom Jackson here?

Keebler elves using your mind again?

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WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-28   2:36:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: goldeeluckx (#211)

I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here."

Is that her complete position as outlined at Univison and answer Tom?

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WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-28   2:38:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: WhiteSands (#212)

When I am watching a candidate, I listen to what they say and I listen to every word they say. When McCain ran for office, I knew he was for amnesty which was why I didn't like him from the start. He was for open borders. Plain and simple.

It is my understanding that Ron Paul supports amnesty too.

I want nothing to do with a candidate that supports amnesty or open borders! I want a candidate that supports deporting illegals back to their country.

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   2:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: WhiteSands (#213) (Edited)

To be fair I refer you to post 173 where I cited that interview.

I don't have a problem understanding where Palin is on this issue. It's in black and white. But to the die hard Palin supporters, they choose to turn the other way on this issue even if its right under their nose.

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   2:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: goldeeluckx (#210)

Why don't you ask Sarah Palin!

You didn't, but you had no problem lying about what she said! I asked where or if you were educated. You failed to answer so I have to assume you haven't been educated.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-28   3:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: goldeeluckx (#211)

What does the sentence below mean to you?

It does not mean amnesty. If you believe it does, you don't fookin know the definition of amnesty!

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-28   3:37:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: goldeeluckx (#215)

WhiteSands is not worth debating.

Neo-con shill, IMHO.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-28   3:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: Wood_Chopper, goldeeluckx (#218)

Neo-con shill, IMHO.

That's what liberals always state when they get their oversized asses handed to them.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-28   3:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: Ibluafartsky (#219)

That's what liberals always state when they get their oversized asses handed to them.

Good luck with that, sport.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-28   3:55:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: Ibluafartsky (#217) (Edited)

It's amnesty to me. Plain and simple. No bullshit about it.

Either you have a reading comprehenshion disability or you choose to feign ignorance. You are not capable of conducting a discussion without the use of personal attacks at others on this forum. Since you probably donated to help keep LP going, and are now a co-owner of that forum, take your garbage and attack practices back over to LP where the other trash continue to attack sensible good posters over there like Tom Jackson and hosts of others that you are working on to get banned next! You have absolutely no tolerance for open discussion unless it suits your agenda. I am not Tom Jackson but if they sound like what I'm posting here, they probably make a hell of a lot more sense then the sewer garbage you spewed on this very thread.

Goodday!

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   8:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#222. To: goldeeluckx (#221)

It's amnesty to me.

Since you probably donated to help keep LP going, and are now a co-owner of that forum,

you are working on to get banned next

Which just proves you are a fookin dunce.

You're a fookin conspiracy kook also.

STRIKE THREE!!!! Time to change your diaper!

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-28   16:24:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: Ibluafartsky (#222) (Edited)

If you post over on LP and contributed to keep it online than read post 28 here: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-b...tNum=279679&Disp=All&#C22

If you don't post on LP, my apologies to you and goodday. But there are posters over there that have recently contributed to that site, and now that the site owner has made them "co-owner" (read post #28), it is encouraging those same contributors to harass and bully other posters on that site for the purpose of getting them banned. Then, these same bully posters come posting their vile sewer trash on this site and http://freedum4um.com to intimidate, harass, and ignite flame wars. They do it to terrorize and demean civilized good posters. Posters like myself are onto these bully posters and their game. We recognize that they do not believe in free speech unless it suits their political gain. If you are not one of those posters doing this bullying tactic, then this should not even offend you at all. But those posters know who they are.

goldeeluckx  posted on  2009-12-28   17:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: goldeeluckx (#223)

read post 28 here: www.libertypost.org/cgi-b...tNum=279679&Disp=All&#C22

Then, these same bully posters come posting their vile sewer trash on this site and freedoum4um.com

We recognize that they do not believe in free speech

I did. Maybe you can translate it for me. I don't understand it.

You have no history here, so what the hell are you claiming? That other forum of dummy, racist, anti-semite assholes isn't worth the contamination!

I welcome the remarks and opinions of dummy, racist, anti-semite assholes, it exposes them for the vile pieces of shit they are. The more they spew, the more fookin idiotic they appear! You'll note that most of them congregate on certain forums to keep from getting their asses kicked.

Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-28   18:01:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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