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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: For once it isn't trump making all the noise Source: ABC.net.au URL Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03- ... n-spy-row-with-britain/9545730 Published: Mar 13, 2018 Author: paraclete Post Date: 2018-03-13 22:03:38 by paraclete Keywords: Russia, esponaige Views: 1122 Comments: 16 With the poisoning of former Russian agents in the UK, relations are deteriorating between Russia and the UK. The British PM has given Russia an ultimatum regarding the source of the nerve agent used in the attack and Russia has issued a definite threat to escalate So Trump fires the Russian agent in his administration while May accuses Putin of murder on British soil it is becoming very sticky out there in the cold and all this on the eve of the Russian election. Could someone be trying to interfere in the Russian election? Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 3. #1. To: paraclete (#0) If Russia wanted to kill someone, they certainly wouldn't have to resort to using a nerve agent that leaves a splash big enough to attract international attention to themselves as the instigators. What murderer leaves a business card at a crime scene? Someone WANTED Russia to be blamed for this. The only explanation for Russia (Putin) doing this that I can think of is to foment national pride in Russia and raise Putin's ratings for the upcoming election. Everyone knows that international rivalry raises the popularity of incumbents. If it wasn't that, then Russia is being framed. Pinguinite  posted on  2018-03-14   0:16:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Pinguinite (#1) If Russia wanted to kill someone, they certainly wouldn't have to resort to using a nerve agent that leaves a splash big enough to attract international attention to themselves as the instigators. What murderer leaves a business card at a crime scene? Someone WANTED Russia to be blamed for this. Or Russia just doesn't care and thinks it can bluster through. I don't doubt there are plenty of state actors (CIA, Israel, etc.) who would love to gin up a hate-Russia story. They conduct multi-story campaigns against Russia and have done so for many decades. But Russia is not so innocent either. They are the ones creating these vicious toxins, they have a long history of producing the worst toxins for wartime use and for assassins to use. This is and was the stated purpose for developing these toxins. They have always maintained their official philosophy of making use of the worst CBN weapons as a routine method of war against civilians and for use by saboteurs and assassins. This policy has never been altered from the Soviet era. If it wasn't that, then Russia is being framed. Or they're guilty as hell but think they can get away with it. That alone has an intimidating effect. Beyond that, the spy and daughter didn't die. Instead, they are in a private hell of suffering. Apparently, this class of nerve gas leads to excruciating and unimaginable pain for weeks or months, assuming you survive it at all. I wouldn't be too quick to think that Russia is innocent. Russia is far more often guilty of everything it is accused of than being innocent of what it is accused of. And I am normally willing to at least consider what Russia claims on various issues like Crimea. Tooconservative  posted on  2018-03-14   3:03:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 3. #5. To: Tooconservative (#3) On the world stage, Putin is on the defensive. He's suffered a coup in allied Ukraine and NATO is now on his doorstep. The Russian defense budget is much smaller than is the USA and it also has a smaller population and GDP. Furthermore, the Russian economy has seen turmoil around year 2000 or so. So no, I don't see Russia wanting to provoke anyone. It's not in their interests. To maintain it's status on the world stage, Russia must be very wise and shrewd, and I see Putin as having both qualities. That on it's face says they don't want to recklessly infuriate the UK or anyone else. I see the casual regard by Americans of Russia as the "evil empire" being a holdover from the Soviet era. But unlike the USA, Russia is no longer even an empire. The USA is, however, an empire, and one that has done at least as much ill throughout the world as Russian is presented as having done. I think that's what gets me the most in these discussions about Russia. It's usually from the perspective of the USA being some kind of saint country, and I can only regard those who see things that way as being very naive and easily duped. Pinguinite  posted on  2018-03-14 03:22:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: Tooconservative (#3) Or they're guilty as hell but think they can get away with it. That alone has an intimidating effect. Seems to fit the Putin persona. "I can kill who I want anywhere and will leave a calling card." redleghunter  posted on  2018-03-14 23:18:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 3. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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