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Title: Rider Passed Protecting Military Firearms, Ammunition, and Components
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URL Source: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5258
Published: Dec 19, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-12-19 10:35:03 by sneakypete
Keywords: Surplus guns, Surplus ammo
Views: 46390
Comments: 106
With the holiday season upon us, and the end of the year fast approaching, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 3326—the Department of Defense Appropriations Act of 2010. With the passage of this bill, NRA-ILA wraps up its appropriations work for the year. Our efforts on the huge spending bill were rewarded with the restoration of a longstanding rider to protect M-1 carbines, M-1 Garands, M-14s, .22 caliber rifles, and others from being destroyed. This language also includes a prohibition on the destruction of small arms ammunition and components, and a response to the short-lived concern over destruction of spent brass casings earlier this year. Section 8019 of the bill reads: "None of the funds available to the Department of Defense may be used to demilitarize or dispose of M-1 Carbines, M-1 Garand rifles, M-14 rifles, .22 caliber rifles, .30 caliber rifles, or M-1911 pistols, or to demilitarize or destroy small arms ammunition or ammunition components that are not otherwise prohibited from commercial sale under Federal law, unless the small arms ammunition or ammunition components are certified by the Secretary of the Army or designee as unserviceable or unsafe for further use." NRA-ILA would like to thank U.S. Representative John Murtha (D-PA) for his help in getting the rider restored and expanded. To read the full bill, please click here. Continued at link
Poster Comment: Having been fooled too many times in the past I don't entirely trust the sincerity of the NRA,but I decided to post this anyway.
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#53. To: sneakypete (#46)
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Right! And you don't realize that the US Army DUMPED the M1 for the M-14, but we'll stick with the M1A instead. Tell me, Mr. Expert, how is the M1 Garand "superior" to the M-14 or M1A? And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.
Here is some REALLY good marital advise. DO NOT TEACH HER YOURSELF. Hire somebody else to do it. Seriously. I have taken her to the range probably 10 times, just to introduce her to firing a weapon. Multiple weapons actually. We started small and progressed from there. This advice is the best yet and is something I had already decided on. LOL! Thanks guys. BTW, I think I'll take your advice on the .22lr. Sounds like good solid advice. Thanks again.
Just out of curiosity,who taught you all this nonsense? It's obvious you have no personal experience with any of these weapons,or if you do it is very limited.
And you don't realize that the US Army DUMPED the M1 for the M-14, but we'll stick with the M1A instead. You DO realize you are trying to debate military weapons with a former career US Army SF weapons NCO,right? Not to mention a school trained gunsmith who has built custom rifles and even created his own wildcat round? There are several people on this board who are qualified to debate this subject with me,but you ain't one of them. Tell me, Mr. Expert, how is the M1 Garand "superior" to the M-14 or M1A? You mean other than fit,finish,reliability,range,and accuracy? And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years. Ok,and that is supposed to indicate what?
Yeah,it really doesn't take long to figure that one out,does it? The high-pitched shrieking in your ears,the claw marks,and the letter from a divorce attorney are dead giveaways.
Not to mention a school trained gunsmith who has built custom rifles and even created his own wildcat round? Wow! Damned impressive Pete. I knew you had some background, but I had no idea!
Are you a licensed dealer Pete? If so you probably just picked up another customer.
Not to mention a school trained gunsmith who has built custom rifles and even created his own wildcat round? Hmmm...well if you can see fit to refute the entire US Army and the brass in the Pentagon, why not? Secondly, you look pathetic blowing your own horn here. You're a good guy and all, but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles.
Ok,and that is supposed to indicate what? Fuck son, if I have to connect the dots for you on this, you have a lot to learn about modern combat and weaponry.
Ok,and that is supposed to indicate what? Fuck son, if I have to connect the dots for you on this, you have a lot to learn about modern combat and weaponry. So what is your background and what are your credentials on this subject?
LOL! Yeah, that is what I was trying to indicate. Reminds me of some sort of politician, you know, those abnormal mentalities who actually believe a few topical buzzwords and a lot of arrogant opinion is going to fool everyone.
My background or qualifications are irrelevant, his contention that 50 years of service that the M-14/M1A has had with the US military, is the question here. I'm to believe he's correct, and the US miltary is wrong? If the M1 Garand is so superior, why does the US military reject his hypotheis? He's the one arguing with technological progress, not me.
As a consumer of weapons I'm just trying to honestly figure out who I should listen to. Pete has posted his background and credentials and they are very impressive. It is relevant to me and absolutely relevant to this discussion. Can I then safely assume that you have no background or credentials on this subject?
Surely you are not inferring that our government always acts in ours or our military's best interests?
That's your response? Have you shot the M1A? Have you shot the M1 Garand? The HK91? I have. I'd prefer not to worry about my thumb getting ripped off by some antiquated loading system in combat conditions thank you very much. If you're not familiar with the "disease" type into google "garand thumb". Then get back to me.
If you'll read up-thread, I recently shot an M1, but I don't know what type it was. I'd prefer not to worry about my thumb getting ripped off by some antiquated loading system in combat conditions thank you very much. If you're not familiar with the "disease" type into google "garand thumb". Thanks, I will.
I admit that I know nothing about the Garand, but here's what I found in the first few minutes: "Garand Thumb" is caused by operator failure. Garand Thumb is easily avoided with proper loading technique. Thumb on top of clip facing forward with the rest of your fingers alongside the outside of the action in front of the op handle. Push down on the clip, thump the op handle.
Believe me, after the first time your thumb gets slammed by the bolt, you'll know why the US Military dropped the archaic Garand for the M-14, or the civilian version known as the M1A. Don't waste your time on a weapon that is very particular about what ammo you feed it, remember these rifles are 50 years old or more, some going on 70, and you have to be very careful about what ammo you feed it. Look, it's a good rifle, for WW2 standards. But that was a long time ago and you have many MODERN weapons now to choose from. The M1A being amongst the best. Good luck! PS I enjoy these fights with Sneakypete. We did them back on LP!
I suspect it was an M1A, as who ever would be teaching you to shoot for the first time on an M1 Garand, would have spent some time warning you about the "Garand thumb". Was the "M1" magazine fed? They are nice rifles, built on the Garand action, but without the drawbacks. Take care!
No.I closed my shop and gave up my license back in the 80's.
You don't even know enough about the history of it to understand that I'm not refuting the army or the Pentagon,and you don't even know why. Secondly, you look pathetic blowing your own horn here. That's your response to telling me I didn't know what I was talking about,and then me giving you my credentials to prove I did in order to maybe prevent you from making a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have? AND,I am not really blowing my own horn because there are more than a few people here who already knew my history,and have known me from other web sites since the late 90's. but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles. I guess that's true if all your "experts" are 22 years old and have never carried a rifle into battle,or even shot a Garand. You read all those magazines that exist to sell new stuff,don't you?
LOL! That's funny! You don't even understand the question.
LOL! That's not why they adopted the M-14,and the military never has issued a M1A. Don't waste your time on a weapon that is very particular about what ammo you feed it, remember these rifles are 50 years old or more, some going on 70, and you have to be very careful about what ammo you feed it. Look, it's a good rifle, for WW2 standards. But that was a long time ago and you have many MODERN weapons now to choose from. The M1A being amongst the best. LOL! The M1A isn't even a match for the FN-FAL when it comes to battle rifles.
ROTFLMAOAY! Well if that's all I don't understand I've got an infinite amount of knowledge that you don't!
AND,I am not really blowing my own horn because there are more than a few people here who already knew my history,and have known me from other web sites since the late 90's. but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles. BFD! You fix firearms. Your ignorance of modern-day battle rifles only shows you don't know your trade well. Anyone who doesn't know that the M1A is better than a termite rifle like the Garand can't know much about firearms...or he's so old he's senile. How old are you? What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty? If I remember correctly you dropped out of college? Too tough for you?
If you say so. If you don't mind sounding like a clueless fool,I don't mind letting you.
Your ignorance of modern-day battle rifles only shows you don't know your trade well. Anyone who doesn't know that the M1A is better than a termite rifle like the Garand can't know much about firearms...or he's so old he's senile. You really are a fool. How old are you? Old enough that I trained with a M-14 in basic training,and was issued my first M-16 back when they were still AR-15's. What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty? I see. Being a school-trained gunsmith and a former SF weapons man doesn't count for shit,but having a handle on a gun board does. And you wonder why I think you are a fool. If I remember correctly you dropped out of college? Too tough for you? No,I dropped out because the VA cut out my GI Bill payments for my tuition because I missed too many classes due to doctors appointments at the VA hospital related to my service in VN. How come a bright young man such as YOU that knows everything there is to know about battle rifles and why the army picks them isn't in the army and either a Ranger or a SF trooper yourself? Too tough for you?
If you're older than sneakypete, you shouldn't be shooting (no offense, petey). Hell, You're older than Methuselah! What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty? OOooooh! That's impressive!
OOooooh! That's impressive! One that that is so funny about this is he keeps referring to the Garand as a "termite gun" because it has a wooden stock,and that seems to be the prime reason he thinks it's outmoded. He doesn't even realize the M-14'S came with wooden stocks until the late 60's,and that the rack grade M1A he rates so highly STILL comes with a wooden stock.
These young puppies don't realize that accuracy is never outmoded, and the Garand delivered that in spades. The only shortfall the Garand ever had was an 8 round clip vs. a 20 round magazine. If the M1 Garand is a "termite gun", I'd hate to see the termites Nubby is shooting at!
Yup. That and the weight,but it seems to me like every firearm that has been replaced because it was too heavy ended up being replaced by some other firearm that weighs almost as much. If you aren't strong enough to carry a Garand,you aren't strong enough to carry a M-16. The lack of a detachable magazine is why the M-14 was designed. It fit the new "volume of fire" versus "accuracy of fire" philosophy the army came up with after facing the charging hordes of Chinese during the Korean War better than the Garand because accuracy wasn't really a issue when it was almost impossible to miss andthe new doctrine was to place a fully-automatic weapon in the hands of each soldier. Reloading it was also quicker and had to be done less often. Of course,as is typical with all bureaucracies,none of the numbnuts making this decision knew anything about combat other than what they had read,and almost none of them knew the first thing about shooting. The M-14 is virtually un-controllable in full-auto fire mode,and the typical soldier would put 2 rounds near the intended target and the next 18 would be endangering birds. This is why they ended up adopting a new doctrine that had them pulling the selector switches off of all squad M-14's except for one,and designating that guy to be the squad machinegunner. Anybody that has ever fired a BAR,which the squad full-auto M-14 replaced,and then fired a full-auto M-14 knows THAT particular brain fart was either hysterically funny or hysterically tragic. Anybody that even THINKS the M-14 is anywhere NEAR close to being a acceptable replacement for a BAR as a squad auto weapon should be bitch-slapped until he cries. Hell,even the SAW is a better squad auto rifle than the M-14 was,even though it's a 22 and still fires too damn fast. The selective fire version of the FN-FAL is vastly superior to both the M-14 and the SAW,but it couldn't overcome it's only major shortcoming,it wasn't made here. For fighting from a defensive position,you just can't beat a BAR when it comes to rifles,period. The next step up is a beltfed. The FN-FAL narrowly beats out the BAR for a offensive squad auto weapon,but only because it is slightly lighter and shorter. The FN-FAL can't touch a BAR when it comes to accuracy,though. Not even close. I used to know a old MSG during the VN war that had been in combat with the 82nd in WW-2 and the 187th during the Korean War as a infantryman,and his definition of idea varmit shooting conditions was being in the Delta with a BAR.
No kidding. I'm betting if you started handing out Garands to 1 trooper per squad to infantry units in Afghanistan,it wouldn't take long for the other guys in the squad to start offering to trade their sisters to you for one of their own. The Garand may not have been ideally suited for jungle warfare because of it's size and the power and range of the 30/06 not being needed,but it would really shine in Afghanistan. Soldiers there would lie,cheat,and steal to get their hands on one if they could.
So, you boast about how everyone knows you from your long years on the internet, yet you're not even on the number one board for gun enthusiasts. I see, we'll just take that as your previous statement being a tad bit of an exaggeration then. And you wonder why I think you are a fool. I could care less what some college drop-out thinks of me. I, unlike you, didn't let something as paltry as "tuition" get in the way of educating myself. I worked my ass off getting my degree WHILE WORKING. No one paid a dime for my education. You could only do it if someone else picked up the tab. You're typical of the 60's generation. "Hey Uncle Sam, what are you going to do for me?" I bet you voted for Clinton.
So, you boast about how everyone knows you from your long years on the internet, Now you're just lying. I never said everybody knows me. yet you're not even on the number one board for gun enthusiasts. Maybe because I went through all that before snots like you were even born,and don't need to discuss any of it? Especially not with cretins that think plastic stocks are a sign of one firearm being superior in design and function to another? I see, we'll just take that as your previous statement being a tad bit of an exaggeration then. It's no exaggeration at all. Don't let that bother you,though. You seem to believe in all sorts of foolish crap. I could care less what some college drop-out thinks of me. I, unlike you, didn't let something as paltry as "tuition" get in the way of educating myself. Do you think that MIGHT be because you weren't in and out of the VA hospital,and dealing with neurosurgeons because of physical injuries? Not to mention being administratively dis-enrolled for missing too many classes because of those hospital appointments? How would you "work your ass off" past that one,little boy? Blow the Dean of Admissions? Or just bend over and let him have a little of that ass? I worked my ass off getting my degree WHILE WORKING. No one paid a dime for my education. And I EARNED my GI Bill by serving 7 years as a infantry soldier who was in combat in 3 different countries. Your "working my ass off" bullshit isn't a drop in the bucket compared to the price that I and the other veterans paid. AND we did this for such paltry pay at the time that a 7-11 employee working 40 hours a week earned more. When I joined the army in 1964 a private was paid 67 dollars a MONTH. You could only do it if someone else picked up the tab. I would hurt you for that if you said it to my face,you sniveling punk! You are insulting me and every other veteran that suffered disabilities and loss of pay (not to mention educational opportunities) because we served the country,while you lay back on your safe and protected ass and served nobody but yourself. You're typical of the 60's generation. "Hey Uncle Sam, what are you going to do for me?" You are not just a fool,you are a world class fool who is so bleeping ignorant AND arrogant at the same time I doubt you are even capable of learning. I bet you voted for Clinton. Is that anything like having a handle on a internet gun board?
Thank you for your service, but you still had someone else pick up the tab. And you couldn't even finish on the free ride. And there you go again tooting your own horn. Didn't anyone tell you that was in poor taste? And this "price I paid" crap is called,"Doing the right thing." Is it not? When you do the right thing around your home do you go around looking for a pat on the back every time you do it? "Hey, did you see me help the old lady with her groceries?" And my dad and his WW2 buddies didn't go around with a sign on their back saying,"Hey, look at us, we saved the world from the Japs." Yet, you Viet Nam era vets never miss a chance to bring up your service and/or any "combat" you saw. Why is that? Funny, I worked in my dad's construction business while in high school and college. Most of the guys in his business were WW2 vets. My Uncle Hank, was at the Canal then Tarawa then finally Okinawa. You never EVER heard that man boast about the shit he saw. I'm sure though you saw much worse than going in on the first wave at Tarawa, right Sneaky? would hurt you for that if you said it to my face,you sniveling punk! You are insulting me and every other veteran that suffered disabilities and loss of pay (not to mention educational opportunities) because we served the country,while you lay back on your safe and protected ass and served nobody but yourself. Oh, I see you can dish it out but you can't take it. You can go around calling everyone a "fool", yet when someone calls you out on your weak shit you lose it. And how is it that EVERY FUCKING VIET NAM VET I KNOW IS DISABLED. What bullshit is that? I bet you're pulling down a big, fat "disability" check ON THE BACKS OF TAXPAYERS LIKE MYSELF. How's my money doing? You enjoying the fruits of my labor? Not a single VN vet I know isn't riding high on my dime. Oh, by the way, Uncle Hank and the rest of the WW2s I knew couldn't stand you VN vets. I wonder why that is? Why did the best generation this country ever produce have such contempt for your generation? Was it all the pot and heroin your generation smoked/shot-up? Or the draft dodging? You may have contempt for my generation, some of it well founded no doubt, but can you tell me why my dad's generation, the one's who really made the world safe for all of us, hate you guys so much? because we served the country,while you lay back on your safe and protected ass and served nobody but yourself. I may serve myself and my family, but I don't ask for a dime from anyone. Unlike you who pulls down a fat, tax-payer check. You didn't do any 20 year hitch. You didn't earn some pension. Let's get this straight, I didn't ask you do to crap in VN, yet you want my money. Look, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt about your disability, but don't go around show-boating how rough you got it and how it kept you out of college. I saw kids with cerebral palsy graduate from college, so unless you're at that level of disability, or worse, I'm not buying your excuse. And thank you for your service.
I'm not tooting my own horn. I am stating how I paid my dues with concrete facts. "Tooting my own horn" would be vague references to how I "worked my ass off to pay my tuition". For all anybody knows,that means you worked 2 hours a day at the popcorn machine at a movie theater. And my dad and his WW2 buddies didn't go around with a sign on their back saying,"Hey, look at us, we saved the world from the Japs." Yeah,as a matter of fact,they DID. Not only that,but the GI Bill was CREATED to benefit the WW-2 vets. You really don't know squat about anything,do you? Yet, you Viet Nam era vets never miss a chance to bring up your service and/or any "combat" you saw. Why is that? To educate whiners like you that never did anything. I'm sure though you saw much worse than going in on the first wave at Tarawa, right Sneaky? How would you know? All you are doing is trying to ride on his back and share in the credit. You can go around calling everyone a "fool", yet when someone calls you out on your weak shit you lose it. That's because you ARE a clueless fool,and I'm not. If you were a car,I'd call you a car. You are a fool,so I call you a fool. Why would you expect anything different? I bet you're pulling down a big, fat "disability" check ON THE BACKS OF TAXPAYERS LIKE MYSELF. I doubt the 27 dollars a week you pay in taxes for being the assistant manager at a comic book store is all that helpful,but thanks,anyhow. Not a single VN vet I know isn't riding high on my dime. Ok,my apologies. Your dime,not your 27 dollars. Oh, by the way, Uncle Hank and the rest of the WW2s I knew couldn't stand you VN vets. Not surprising. They are related to you. How smart CAN they be? Why did the best generation this country ever produce have such contempt for your generation? You mean the generation that voted for FDR three times,Truman after him,and then were responsible for things like turning Eastern Europe over to the Soviets,The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964,the War on Poverty, and the Gun Control Act of 1968? but can you tell me why my dad's generation, the one's who really made the world safe for all of us, hate you guys so much? Mostly because they were as ignorant as you are now,and thought everybody that grew up in the 60's were communist hippies,instead of recognizing the FACT that the communists who were working so hard to destroy our country came from THEIR generation. Of course,they had a excellent excuse for their ignorance. The only news outlets available in their day were the radio and the local newspapers. If you lived in a small town or even a small city,the local newspaper couldn't afford to pay AP and the other wire services for the rights to publish their news reports,so a lot of what was going on was never reported to them and they had no way of knowing about it. People today don't have that excuse. Thanks to the internet,no politician alive can keep his or her actions hidden,and there is damn little that can't be learned about past events. The FACT that YOU insist on believing you were right on the Garand versus M-14 issue despite having never fired or handled either one,and stand by this despite being told it was wrong by people who have done both and who used to literally earn their living handling weapons is what makes you a fool. You have the ability to learn,but you refuse to do so. You would rather take the "Group think" opinions of people with no more experience than you over the opinions of professionals. This is the sign of a fool. I didn't name you,I just identified you. You may have contempt for my generation, Wrong. I have contempt for YOU. I have met and know many people of your generation that I admire. I may serve myself and my family, but I don't ask for a dime from anyone. Still smarting and have a chip on your shoulder because you weren't smart enough to earn a scholarship,huh? Unlike you who pulls down a fat, tax-payer check. Your hatred for vets is based on your jealousy of them getting disability checks because they are disabled due to their military service? You didn't do any 20 year hitch. The reason for this is because I was on permanent medical profile when I came back from VN. You didn't earn some pension. Once again,you don't have a freaking clue. I saw kids with cerebral palsy graduate from college, And I've seen sports stars and others graduate from college that couldn't read and write,and I see YOU bragging about being a college graduate,and you are entirely lacking the ability to reason. Hell,both Boy Jorge and Barack Obama have advanced degrees from elite colleges. I seriously doubt you can match either of them when it comes to the college attended or the degrees reached. In other words,you may want to rethink bragging about getting a college degree as some sort of major accomplishment. Anybody with a pulse that has the money to pay the tuition can get a college degree today. so unless you're at that level of disability, or worse, I'm not buying your excuse. I don't need your approval,and I understand your hatred is based on jealousy and ignorance.
Yeah,as a matter of fact,they DID. Not only that,but the GI Bill was CREATED to benefit the WW-2 vets. Lies. They did not. The GI bill, a government hand-out which I take it you were more than willing to accept, was created not by my dad's generation, but by the one above his. I take it history wasn't your strong point in school? That's because you ARE a clueless fool,and I'm not. If you were a car,I'd call you a car. You are a fool,so I call you a fool. Why would you expect anything different? Typical cry-baby Viet Nam vet. He can run people down 24/7 yet when they stand up to him and inform him that yes, his shit does stink like everyone else's, they bitch and whine. I'm not saying I know everying in life, but I don't get my panties in a ball like you do when someone calls you on your idiotic statements. And I've seen sports stars and others graduate from college that couldn't read and write,and I see YOU bragging about being a college graduate,and you are entirely lacking the ability to reason. Hell,both Boy Jorge and Barack Obama have advanced degrees from elite colleges. I seriously doubt you can match either of them when it comes to the college attended or the degrees reached. Wow, you really fucked yourself good with this comment. First you want to go to college, then drop-out. Now you go around smack-talking college educated people as if they are dunder-heads. So what is it? Did you drop out because of some pinched nerve or you had no use for college like all the "idiots" who graduated from college. You know what I think? I think you resent the fact you couldn't hack it with the books and have a major case of the ass over your inability to measure up to what society says is "smart."
I guess you've never been in a gunstore and seen that M1As come with synthetic stocks. What a tool you are. I wouldn't go around shooting my mouth off about how much I know about weapons when you're obviously not playing with a full deck.
Right, 20 rounds. Ignoramous. It's obvious your so friggen ignorant of moder weapons it's laughable.
You fookin idiot, you are incapable of thinking!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
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#54. To: sneakypete, Joe Snuffy (#22)
Professional Instruction to go with it
#55. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#52)
Sorry, the SKS continued to shoulder on for nearly 50 years AFTER the Garand had been "retired" to feed the local termite population in American firearms collectors.
#56. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#53)
#57. To: We The People (#54)
This advice is the best yet and is something I had already decided on. LOL!
#58. To: sneakypete (#56)
You DO realize you are trying to debate military weapons with a former career US Army SF weapons NCO,right?
#59. To: sneakypete (#56)
#60. To: sneakypete (#56)
You DO realize you are trying to debate military weapons with a former career US Army SF weapons NCO,right?
#61. To: sneakypete (#56)
And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.
#62. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#61)
And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.
#63. To: sneakypete, Nebuchadnezzar (#47)
Actually,he did. He just doesn't know it. That's why it's so funny.
#64. To: We The People (#62)
So what is your background and what are your credentials on this subject?
#65. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#64)
My background or qualifications are irrelevant
#66. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#64)
his contention that 50 years of service that the M-14/M1A has had with the US military, is the question here.
#67. To: We The People (#66)
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his contention that 50 years of service that the M-14/M1A has had with the US military, is the question here. Surely you are not inferring that our government always acts in ours or our military's best interests?
#68. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#67)
#69. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#67)
#70. To: We The People (#69)
#71. To: We The People (#68)
If you'll read up-thread, I recently shot an M1, but I don't know what type it was.
#72. To: We The People (#59)
Are you a licensed dealer Pete?
#73. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#60)
Hmmm...well if you can see fit to refute the entire US Army and the brass in the Pentagon, why not?
#74. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#61)
Fuck son, if I have to connect the dots for you on this, you have a lot to learn about modern combat and weaponry.
#75. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#70)
Believe me, after the first time your thumb gets slammed by the bolt, you'll know why the US Military dropped the archaic Garand for the M-14, or the civilian version known as the M1A.
#76. To: sneakypete (#74)
LOL! That's funny! You don't even understand the question.
#77. To: sneakypete (#73)
That's your response to telling me I didn't know what I was talking about,and then me giving you my credentials to prove I did in order to maybe prevent you from making a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have?
#78. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#76)
Well if that's all I don't understand I've got an infinite amount of knowledge that you don't!
#79. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#77)
#80. To: Nebuchadnezzar, sneakypete (#77)
How old are you?
#81. To: Sarajevo (#80)
What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty?
#82. To: sneakypete (#81)
One that that is so funny about this is he keeps referring to the Garand as a "termite gun" because it has a wooden stock,and that seems to be the prime reason he thinks it's outmoded
#83. To: Sarajevo (#82)
The only shortfall the Garand ever had was an 8 round clip vs. a 20 round magazine.
#84. To: Sarajevo (#82)
These young puppies don't realize that accuracy is never outmoded, and the Garand delivered that in spades.
#85. To: sneakypete (#79)
I see. Being a school-trained gunsmith and a former SF weapons man doesn't count for shit,but having a handle on a gun board does.
#86. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#85)
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#87. To: sneakypete, thor (#86)
And I EARNED my GI Bill by serving 7 years as a infantry soldier who was in combat in 3 different countries. Your "working my ass off" bullshit isn't a drop in the bucket compared to the price that I and the other veterans paid.
#88. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#87)
And there you go again tooting your own horn. Didn't anyone tell you that was in poor taste?
#89. To: sneakypete (#88)
And my dad and his WW2 buddies didn't go around with a sign on their back saying,"Hey, look at us, we saved the world from the Japs."
#90. To: sneakypete (#81)
#91. To: sneakypete (#83)
For fighting from a defensive position,you just can't beat a BAR when it comes to rifles,period. The next step up is a beltfed.
#92. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#89)
You know what I think?
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