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Title: Rider Passed Protecting Military Firearms, Ammunition, and Components
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NRA/ILA
URL Source: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5258
Published: Dec 19, 2009
Author: unknown
Post Date: 2009-12-19 10:35:03 by sneakypete
Keywords: Surplus guns, Surplus ammo
Views: 46968
Comments: 106
With the holiday season upon us, and the end of the year fast approaching, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 3326—the Department of Defense Appropriations Act of 2010. With the passage of this bill, NRA-ILA wraps up its appropriations work for the year. Our efforts on the huge spending bill were rewarded with the restoration of a longstanding rider to protect M-1 carbines, M-1 Garands, M-14s, .22 caliber rifles, and others from being destroyed. This language also includes a prohibition on the destruction of small arms ammunition and components, and a response to the short-lived concern over destruction of spent brass casings earlier this year. Section 8019 of the bill reads: "None of the funds available to the Department of Defense may be used to demilitarize or dispose of M-1 Carbines, M-1 Garand rifles, M-14 rifles, .22 caliber rifles, .30 caliber rifles, or M-1911 pistols, or to demilitarize or destroy small arms ammunition or ammunition components that are not otherwise prohibited from commercial sale under Federal law, unless the small arms ammunition or ammunition components are certified by the Secretary of the Army or designee as unserviceable or unsafe for further use." NRA-ILA would like to thank U.S. Representative John Murtha (D-PA) for his help in getting the rider restored and expanded. To read the full bill, please click here. Continued at link
Poster Comment: Having been fooled too many times in the past I don't entirely trust the sincerity of the NRA,but I decided to post this anyway.
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#1. To: sneakypete (#0)
Think I'll go to the range again this weekend. Last week I met the firearms instructor for my city's police dept. there. He was there with his grandson. He had some very nice gear and invited me to fire all I wanted. I declined at first but he said, "Never turn down the chance to fire another man's ammo". LOL! He pulled out some AK's, some AR's, an SKS, an M1, and several side arms. I had this with me http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/su16d.htm and he wanted to fire it. After he fired it he said he HAD to have one. A very nice guy. Very pro 2nd amendment.
NRA....yeah well...better than the antis thats for sure... I guess its kinda like fishing... You got your elitist "fly" fisherman...crank bait and lure guys...and your weekend cane pole and worm folks...not to mention the Russian..Norweigan..and Japanese trawlers.. IMO the NRA directorship has always pretty much been the "fly fisherman" who say they represent the interests of all who fish... You'd think they would,sooner or later, learn where their bread is buttered and who butters it... Now if we could elect a POTUS that would allow us to purchase "overuns" from supplies with govt contracts like we used to be able to do until Slick Willy Clinton cut us off.. Or roll back the laws to prior the Kennedy assassination...there was a crisis they took full advantage of at least in the area of increasingly restrictive gun laws..
A M-1 as in "Garand"? Be still my beating heart! Those things were mass-issue target rifles. I love em,love em,love em! I'd take one in a heartbeat over ANY issue battle rifle of today.
BTW,I know nothing about ,and had never even heard of that weapon before your post,but if it's as well made and reliable as the Kel-Tec handguns,it's a good rifle for what it was designed for.
A M-1 as in "Garand"? I don't know. I don't know a lot about them. I know he did call it something other than an M1 but I don't remember what.
I just googled M1 Garand and came up with this photo: http://www.capitanhipower.com/Photos/M1Rifle.jpg It did look a lot like this but I still don't know. I don't remember.
Which IS what should be done because it is what the Constitution intended. The Gun Control Act of 1968 is completely and totally un-Constitutional,and should be repealed along with every law that snuck under the covers with it. We went from the 1600's to 1968 with no gun laws,and for over 350 years this was no problem. Even convicted felons could get out of jail and legally buy a gun because they had served their time and now they were free and the Bill of Rights applied to them just like it did everybody else. Suddenly it was a "national emergency" in the early 1960's,and now there are whole bureaucracies built up around it.
It get's confusing because the M-1 Carbine is also sometimes referred to as a M-1,and so is the semi-auto civilian version of the M-14,but it has the modified "A" behind it instead of Carbine or Garand. In other words,the civilian version of the M-14 is called a M1A,and that is probably what the guy had. They are good rifles and are accurate,but they aren't in the same league as the M-1 Garand. In fact,I would rather have a metric FN-FAL than a M1A. The FAL isn't as accurate do to a truly shitty trigger and poor sights,but it is much sturdier and more reliable than the M1A.
I bought a Kel Tec P11 years ago and it impressed me, so I bought more from Kel Tec. The P11 of course isn't accurate at all past a certain range, but it's been as reliable as any I've ever owned. Never jammed or misfired. I love the su16. Overall very impressed with Kel Tec. I'm thinking about one of these for the wife:
Unless she is an experienced shooter that is used to carrying everyday,don't. Get her a snub-nosed 22LR revolver and take the rear sight off and file down all the rough or sharp edges on the front sight,making it round and smooth so it won't snag on anything. One I recommend is the Taurus Ultra-Lite 9 shot 22 LR snub nose revolver. Specifically,this one. I would also round off the sharp edges on the hammer if it were me. www.taurus-handguns.com/i...940029UL_M94__22LR_2.aspx Load that sucker up with 9 CCI "Stinger" hollowpoints and it becomes a effective self-defense weapon. If you shoot somebody in the eye socket,it makes no difference if you were shooting a 22 than if you were shooting a 44 magnum. All you can kill them is dead. AND....since it is also true that a miss with a 22 is just as effective as a miss with a 44 Magnum,this makes the 22 more attractive because she is less likely to miss. She is less likely to miss because she can afford to buy 22 caliber ammo a thousand rounds at a time to practice with,and this means she will be more familiar and comfortable with the gun and she will know where it shoots when she pulls the trigger. PLUS...it is very light which means she is more likely to carry it with her when she leaves the house,AND it doesn't have a safety she has to remember to disengage under pressure before she can fire it. Revolvers are the original "point and click" devices. You just point them and keep pulling the trigger until it starts clicking. Not to mention that you can shoot a revolver right from your coat pocket without ever taking it out,and you can't so this with a autoloader because it will jam. Not that I recommend doing this because your coat might catch fire,but there is an advantage to having a gun already in your hand if you think you might be in danger,but not confident enough about it that you are willing to pull it out and point it at somebody. If you are bound and determined to get her something bigger than a 22,but this one for her. It's a 38 Special,but 38 Specials don't really have enough recoil or muzzle blast to bother her. Their only disadvantage over the 22 is the ammo is much more expensive. Don't even THINK about buying a snub-nosed magnum revolver. The recoil and the muzzle blast are horrific,and you end up only getting 38 Special velocities anywhay. Don't let the goofy look of the hammer shround throw you. If they had this version in 22 LR,that's the one I would recommend you buy. The shroud keeps the hammer from snagging on your pants or coat pocket when you go to pull the gun out.
Thanks for the advice Pete. You really think the .22 is heavy enough? She's not that experienced, and I like the thought of the smaller caliber. She has expressed an interest in revolvers too, her sister has a 38 S&W. The long and hard trigger pull on the P11 is just to much for her.
www.taurus-handguns.com/i...51CIA_38SPL_2_SS_AS_.aspx Wow! That is truly goofy looking. LOL! I kind of like it though. I've always been attracted to ugly guns and ugly cars for some strange reason I've yet to figure out.
As long as the perp isn't wearing lots of layers of heavy winter clothing A hit with a 22LR is better than a miss with a 44 mag Whatever you do get her... Get her lots and lots and lots of RANGE TIME with the weapon of choice Professional Instruction to go with it Followed by more RANGE TIME As they say..."You Will Not Rise To The Occasion...But Will Instead Default To Your Level Of Training"
Smith and Wesson M351 Lt Wt. 22 Mag Smith and Wesson 317 22 LR Airweight
Be still my beating heart! Those things were mass-issue target rifles. I love em,love em,love em! I'd take one in a heartbeat over ANY issue battle rifle of today. Over a M-1A? Over a PTR-91? Over a Vector Arm RPK-74? I'm of the opinion that all those rifles above are far superior to the Garand.
Thanks Joe. I appreciate the advice.
LOL! In what way are those "far superior" to the Garand? Other than magazine capacity, I see nothing "far superior" as far as ballistics, accuracy, stopping power, reliability, etc. are concerned.
Be still my beating heart! Those things were mass-issue target rifles. I love em,love em,love em! I'd take one in a heartbeat over ANY issue battle rifle of today. Over a M-1A? Over a PTR-91? Over a Vector Arm RPK-74? I'm of the opinion that all those rifles above are far superior to the Garand. Give me a FAL! FAL FAL FAL Other than that, I still want a Garand, because General Patton decreed it to be the finest battle implement ever made.
M1 Garand = termite gun. Shit, a Russian SKS is a better rifle and will take all sorts of ammo, unlike the finique Garand.
FAL FAL FAL A FAL is a far, far superior weapon to the Garand "termite" rifle.
It's not anybody's first choice for a military assault,but if you put the bullet where it needs to go it will do the job. There is a reason the military has been issuing 22 caliber pistols with silencers since prior to WW-2. And,as I wrote earlier,a miss with a 44 is no deadlier than a miss with a 22. I usually carry my own 22 Taurus snub whenever I go to town. I sometimes carry a 9mm Kel-Tec or my 44 Special snubnose,but I usually carry the 22. Mostly because I always already have it with me,but I am also confident that if I need it it will do the job. I normally carry it around my yard and in my shop because I live in a rural area,and poisonous snakes aren't that unusual (I even got bit by one last summer),and I have even had to shoot rabid coons twice. The 22 is always the one with me because it fits easily into my pocket,and it's so light you forget it's there. If I thought I seriously needed a gun on any given day,I'd be carrying my 12 gauge Ithaca pump,not a handgun. As always,the best gun to use is the one you have with you. Due to the low recoil,the relative lack of muzzle blast,and the cheap ammunition for target practice,a 22 is the gun she is most likely to be willing to take with her every day,and it is the one she is most likely to have shot enough to be able to hit something with it. The long and hard trigger pull on the P11 is just to much for her. The 22 revolver is both single and doubt action. If you have the time you can cock the hammer for a easier trigger pull,or you can just pull the trigger for a double-action shot. The double action trigger pull is longer and heavier than the single action pull,but it's still a lot lighter than the trigger pull on the Kel-Tec.
As long as the perp isn't wearing lots of layers of heavy winter clothing I don't let that worry me. I'd just put one in his eye and not worry about him anymore. With the low recoil of a 22,that's pretty easy to do,and followup shots come quicker than with a gun that does a lot of recoiling. A 22 anywhere in the head will pierce a human skull. No real need to put one through a eye socket. I'm just not the sporting gentleman I used to be. Whatever you do get her... Get her lots and lots and lots of RANGE TIME with the weapon of choice Which is where the 22 really shines. Ammo cheap enough you can fire 500 rounds for what a box of 50 45 ACP would cost you,and recoil so mild she will be willing to shoot those 500 rounds. Professional Instruction to go with it Here is some REALLY good marital advise. DO NOT TEACH HER YOURSELF. Hire somebody else to do it. Seriously.
The 22 mag is the next thing to useless. The ammunition is insanely expensive and you can't even buy it everywhere. On top of that,it just isn't that much more powerful for short range self-defense out of a handgun barrel. A 38 Special with swaged 146 grain hollowpoints loaded backwards over some fairly stiff loads of Unique would be a MUCH better choice. I used to load some up for friends that lived in apartments,and they would expand to 72 caliber and not penetrate 4 inches of soft pine.
ABSOLUTELY! By the time you get up close enough to hit me with those play toys,I will have been shooting pieces off of you for the last 400 yards. BIG pieces that a 30/06 will take off.
Even the target grade M1-A's rarely match the accuracy of a ISSUE M1 Garand. Rack grade Garands would shoot 1 inch groups at 100 yards with issue ammo. It's a good thing he didn't offer me a BAR as a option,though. That's another one with the"reach out and touch somebody" feature,but it also has box magazines and a slow-fire option to the selector switch.
A metric FAL is my number 2 pick. Unless of course I get a M1918A2 BAR as a pick. Then the FAL falls to number 3.
Shit, a Russian SKS is a better rifle and will take all sorts of ammo, unlike the finique Garand. ROFLMAO! Ok,that one earns you a humor ping. When you write stuff like that,you deserve to have people laugh at you.
LOL! For your sake,I hope you never get into a shooting contest at any range beyond 200 yards with a man carrying a Garand,or even closer if you both have good cover.
What a crock sneaky. That termite gun is 50+ years, at best. Archaic is the best term for that club. 8 rounds. What's up with that?
It only takes ONE well-placed round, numbnuts.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
When you write stuff like that,you deserve to have people laugh at you. Well I'm still laughing over your laughable comments on the termite gun, aka Garand. Looks like we both are having a good laugh today.
Right, sure, whatever. I see you've either been hitting the sauce too much today or have been playing too much Call of Duty. Iblowboys, why don't you leave this conversation to men?
Unless the termites haven't eaten that Garand for dinner you mean!
Hell, we all suspected you're a pedophile, numbnuts.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Sorry, you're the one with the name "Iblowboys".
It's all yours, pedophile. What a fookin moron you are.
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Wow, you're clueless. All of us here find you disgusting. You're the one boasting about blowing things pal. You own it. It's yours.
You should have just said that did not know anything about the Garand.
LOL! Yes, I agree the M1918 is some serious hardware.
I'm not your pal, pedophile. What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
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#2. To: sneakypete (#0)
#3. To: We The People (#1)
an M1
#4. To: We The People (#1)
I had this with me http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/su16d.htm and he wanted to fire it. After he fired it he said he HAD to have one.
#5. To: sneakypete (#3)
an M1
#6. To: sneakypete (#4)
#7. To: Joe Snuffy (#2)
Or roll back the laws to prior the Kennedy assassination.
#8. To: We The People (#6)
It did look a lot like this but I still don't know. I don't remember.
#9. To: sneakypete (#4)
BTW,I know nothing about ,and had never even heard of that weapon before your post,but if it's as well made and reliable as the Kel-Tec handguns,it's a good rifle for what it was designed for.
#10. To: We The People (#9)
I'm thinking about one of these for the wife:
#11. To: sneakypete (#10)
#12. To: sneakypete (#10)
Don't let the goofy look of the hammer shround throw you. If they had this version in 22 LR,that's the one I would recommend you buy. The shroud keeps the hammer from snagging on your pants or coat pocket when you go to pull the gun out.
#13. To: We The People (#11)
#14. To: We The People (#12)
#15. To: sneakypete (#3)
A M-1 as in "Garand"?
#16. To: Joe Snuffy (#13)
#17. To: Nebuchadnezzar, sneakypete (#15)
I'm of the opinion that all those rifles above are far superior to the Garand.
#18. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#15)
A M-1 as in "Garand"?
#19. To: eskimo (#17)
LOL! In what way are those "far superior" to the Garand? Other than magazine capacity, I see nothing "far superior" as far as ballistics, accuracy, stopping power, reliability, etc. are concerned.
#20. To: echo5sierra (#18)
Give me a FAL!
#21. To: We The People (#11)
You really think the .22 is heavy enough?
#22. To: Joe Snuffy, We The People (#13)
#23. To: Joe Snuffy, (#14)
Smith and Wesson M351 Lt Wt. 22 Mag
#24. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#15)
Over a M-1A? Over a PTR-91? Over a Vector Arm RPK-74?
#25. To: eskimo (#17)
LOL! In what way are those "far superior" to the Garand? Other than magazine capacity, I see nothing "far superior" as far as ballistics, accuracy, stopping power, reliability, etc. are concerned.
#26. To: echo5sierra (#18)
Give me a FAL!
#27. To: Nebuchadnezzar, , *Humor* (#19)
M1 Garand = termite gun.
#28. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#20)
A FAL is a far, far superior weapon to the Garand "termite" rifle.
#29. To: sneakypete (#24)
ABSOLUTELY! By the time you get up close enough to hit me with those play toys,I will have been shooting pieces off of you for the last 400 yards. BIG pieces that a 30/06 will take off.
#30. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#29)
8 rounds. What's up with that?
#31. To: sneakypete (#27)
ROFLMAO! Ok,that one earns you a humor ping.
#32. To: Ibluafartsky (#30)
8 rounds. What's up with that? It only takes ONE well-placed round, numbnuts.
#33. To: sneakypete (#28)
LOL! For your sake,I hope you never get into a shooting contest at any range beyond 200 yards with a man carrying a Garand,or even closer if you both have good cover.
#34. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#32)
Iblowboys
#35. To: Ibluafartsky (#34)
#36. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#35)
Iblowboys
#37. To: Ibluafartsky (#36)
Iblowboys It's all yours, pedophile. What a fookin moron you are.
#38. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#19)
M1 Garand = termite gun.
#39. To: sneakypete (#25)
It's a good thing he didn't offer me a BAR as a option,though.
#40. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#37)
You're the one boasting about blowing things pal.
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