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Title: Rider Passed Protecting Military Firearms, Ammunition, and Components
Source: NRA/ILA
URL Source: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5258
Published: Dec 19, 2009
Author: unknown
Post Date: 2009-12-19 10:35:03 by sneakypete
Keywords: Surplus guns, Surplus ammo
Views: 46849
Comments: 106

With the holiday season upon us, and the end of the year fast approaching, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 3326—the Department of Defense Appropriations Act of 2010. With the passage of this bill, NRA-ILA wraps up its appropriations work for the year.

Our efforts on the huge spending bill were rewarded with the restoration of a longstanding rider to protect M-1 carbines, M-1 Garands, M-14s, .22 caliber rifles, and others from being destroyed.

This language also includes a prohibition on the destruction of small arms ammunition and components, and a response to the short-lived concern over destruction of spent brass casings earlier this year.

Section 8019 of the bill reads: "None of the funds available to the Department of Defense may be used to demilitarize or dispose of M-1 Carbines, M-1 Garand rifles, M-14 rifles, .22 caliber rifles, .30 caliber rifles, or M-1911 pistols, or to demilitarize or destroy small arms ammunition or ammunition components that are not otherwise prohibited from commercial sale under Federal law, unless the small arms ammunition or ammunition components are certified by the Secretary of the Army or designee as unserviceable or unsafe for further use."

NRA-ILA would like to thank U.S. Representative John Murtha (D-PA) for his help in getting the rider restored and expanded.

To read the full bill, please click here.

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#1. To: sneakypete (#0)

Think I'll go to the range again this weekend.

Last week I met the firearms instructor for my city's police dept. there. He was there with his grandson. He had some very nice gear and invited me to fire all I wanted. I declined at first but he said, "Never turn down the chance to fire another man's ammo". LOL!

He pulled out some AK's, some AR's, an SKS, an M1, and several side arms.

I had this with me http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/su16d.htm and he wanted to fire it. After he fired it he said he HAD to have one.

A very nice guy. Very pro 2nd amendment.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-19   10:58:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: We The People (#1)

an M1

A M-1 as in "Garand"?

Be still my beating heart! Those things were mass-issue target rifles. I love em,love em,love em! I'd take one in a heartbeat over ANY issue battle rifle of today.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   11:19:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#3)

A M-1 as in "Garand"?

Be still my beating heart! Those things were mass-issue target rifles. I love em,love em,love em! I'd take one in a heartbeat over ANY issue battle rifle of today.

Over a M-1A? Over a PTR-91? Over a Vector Arm RPK-74?

I'm of the opinion that all those rifles above are far superior to the Garand.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   12:55:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Nebuchadnezzar, sneakypete (#15)

I'm of the opinion that all those rifles above are far superior to the Garand.

LOL! In what way are those "far superior" to the Garand? Other than magazine capacity, I see nothing "far superior" as far as ballistics, accuracy, stopping power, reliability, etc. are concerned.

eskimo  posted on  2009-12-19   14:26:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: eskimo (#17)

LOL! In what way are those "far superior" to the Garand? Other than magazine capacity, I see nothing "far superior" as far as ballistics, accuracy, stopping power, reliability, etc. are concerned.

M1 Garand = termite gun.

Shit, a Russian SKS is a better rifle and will take all sorts of ammo, unlike the finique Garand.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   16:20:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Nebuchadnezzar, , *Humor* (#19)

M1 Garand = termite gun.

Shit, a Russian SKS is a better rifle and will take all sorts of ammo, unlike the finique Garand.

ROFLMAO! Ok,that one earns you a humor ping.

When you write stuff like that,you deserve to have people laugh at you.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   18:54:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: sneakypete (#27)

ROFLMAO! Ok,that one earns you a humor ping.

When you write stuff like that,you deserve to have people laugh at you.

Well I'm still laughing over your laughable comments on the termite gun, aka Garand.

Looks like we both are having a good laugh today.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   19:05:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#31)

Looks like we both are having a good laugh today.

LOL! I guess! The only difference is only one of understands the issue.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:32:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: sneakypete (#46) (Edited)

LOL! I guess! The only difference is only one of understands the issue.

Right!

And you don't realize that the US Army DUMPED the M1 for the M-14, but we'll stick with the M1A instead.

Tell me, Mr. Expert, how is the M1 Garand "superior" to the M-14 or M1A?

And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   11:30:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#53)

And you don't realize that the US Army DUMPED the M1 for the M-14, but we'll stick with the M1A instead.

You DO realize you are trying to debate military weapons with a former career US Army SF weapons NCO,right?

Not to mention a school trained gunsmith who has built custom rifles and even created his own wildcat round?

There are several people on this board who are qualified to debate this subject with me,but you ain't one of them.

Tell me, Mr. Expert, how is the M1 Garand "superior" to the M-14 or M1A?

You mean other than fit,finish,reliability,range,and accuracy?

And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.

Ok,and that is supposed to indicate what?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   12:43:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: sneakypete (#56)

You DO realize you are trying to debate military weapons with a former career US Army SF weapons NCO,right?

Not to mention a school trained gunsmith who has built custom rifles and even created his own wildcat round?

Hmmm...well if you can see fit to refute the entire US Army and the brass in the Pentagon, why not?

Secondly, you look pathetic blowing your own horn here.

You're a good guy and all, but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   13:07:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#60)

Hmmm...well if you can see fit to refute the entire US Army and the brass in the Pentagon, why not?

You don't even know enough about the history of it to understand that I'm not refuting the army or the Pentagon,and you don't even know why.

Secondly, you look pathetic blowing your own horn here.

That's your response to telling me I didn't know what I was talking about,and then me giving you my credentials to prove I did in order to maybe prevent you from making a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have?

AND,I am not really blowing my own horn because there are more than a few people here who already knew my history,and have known me from other web sites since the late 90's.

but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles.

I guess that's true if all your "experts" are 22 years old and have never carried a rifle into battle,or even shot a Garand.

You read all those magazines that exist to sell new stuff,don't you?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   16:02:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: sneakypete (#73)

That's your response to telling me I didn't know what I was talking about,and then me giving you my credentials to prove I did in order to maybe prevent you from making a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have?

AND,I am not really blowing my own horn because there are more than a few people here who already knew my history,and have known me from other web sites since the late 90's.

but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles.

BFD! You fix firearms.

Your ignorance of modern-day battle rifles only shows you don't know your trade well. Anyone who doesn't know that the M1A is better than a termite rifle like the Garand can't know much about firearms...or he's so old he's senile.

How old are you?

What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty? If I remember correctly you dropped out of college? Too tough for you?

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   17:33:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#77)

Your ignorance of modern-day battle rifles only shows you don't know your trade well. Anyone who doesn't know that the M1A is better than a termite rifle like the Garand can't know much about firearms...or he's so old he's senile.

You really are a fool.

How old are you?

Old enough that I trained with a M-14 in basic training,and was issued my first M-16 back when they were still AR-15's.

What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty?

I see. Being a school-trained gunsmith and a former SF weapons man doesn't count for shit,but having a handle on a gun board does.

And you wonder why I think you are a fool.

If I remember correctly you dropped out of college? Too tough for you?

No,I dropped out because the VA cut out my GI Bill payments for my tuition because I missed too many classes due to doctors appointments at the VA hospital related to my service in VN.

How come a bright young man such as YOU that knows everything there is to know about battle rifles and why the army picks them isn't in the army and either a Ranger or a SF trooper yourself? Too tough for you?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   19:08:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: sneakypete (#79)

I see. Being a school-trained gunsmith and a former SF weapons man doesn't count for shit,but having a handle on a gun board does.

So, you boast about how everyone knows you from your long years on the internet, yet you're not even on the number one board for gun enthusiasts.

I see, we'll just take that as your previous statement being a tad bit of an exaggeration then.

And you wonder why I think you are a fool.

I could care less what some college drop-out thinks of me. I, unlike you, didn't let something as paltry as "tuition" get in the way of educating myself. I worked my ass off getting my degree WHILE WORKING. No one paid a dime for my education.

You could only do it if someone else picked up the tab.

You're typical of the 60's generation. "Hey Uncle Sam, what are you going to do for me?"

I bet you voted for Clinton.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-21   10:58:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#85) (Edited)

So, you boast about how everyone knows you from your long years on the internet,

Now you're just lying. I never said everybody knows me.

yet you're not even on the number one board for gun enthusiasts.

Maybe because I went through all that before snots like you were even born,and don't need to discuss any of it? Especially not with cretins that think plastic stocks are a sign of one firearm being superior in design and function to another?

I see, we'll just take that as your previous statement being a tad bit of an exaggeration then.

It's no exaggeration at all. Don't let that bother you,though. You seem to believe in all sorts of foolish crap.

I could care less what some college drop-out thinks of me. I, unlike you, didn't let something as paltry as "tuition" get in the way of educating myself.

Do you think that MIGHT be because you weren't in and out of the VA hospital,and dealing with neurosurgeons because of physical injuries?

Not to mention being administratively dis-enrolled for missing too many classes because of those hospital appointments? How would you "work your ass off" past that one,little boy? Blow the Dean of Admissions? Or just bend over and let him have a little of that ass?

I worked my ass off getting my degree WHILE WORKING. No one paid a dime for my education.

And I EARNED my GI Bill by serving 7 years as a infantry soldier who was in combat in 3 different countries. Your "working my ass off" bullshit isn't a drop in the bucket compared to the price that I and the other veterans paid. AND we did this for such paltry pay at the time that a 7-11 employee working 40 hours a week earned more.

When I joined the army in 1964 a private was paid 67 dollars a MONTH.

You could only do it if someone else picked up the tab.

I would hurt you for that if you said it to my face,you sniveling punk! You are insulting me and every other veteran that suffered disabilities and loss of pay (not to mention educational opportunities) because we served the country,while you lay back on your safe and protected ass and served nobody but yourself.

You're typical of the 60's generation. "Hey Uncle Sam, what are you going to do for me?" You are not just a fool,you are a world class fool who is so bleeping ignorant AND arrogant at the same time I doubt you are even capable of learning.

I bet you voted for Clinton. Is that anything like having a handle on a internet gun board?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21   11:25:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: sneakypete, thor (#86)

And I EARNED my GI Bill by serving 7 years as a infantry soldier who was in combat in 3 different countries. Your "working my ass off" bullshit isn't a drop in the bucket compared to the price that I and the other veterans paid.

Thank you for your service, but you still had someone else pick up the tab. And you couldn't even finish on the free ride.

And there you go again tooting your own horn. Didn't anyone tell you that was in poor taste?

And this "price I paid" crap is called,"Doing the right thing." Is it not? When you do the right thing around your home do you go around looking for a pat on the back every time you do it? "Hey, did you see me help the old lady with her groceries?"

And my dad and his WW2 buddies didn't go around with a sign on their back saying,"Hey, look at us, we saved the world from the Japs." Yet, you Viet Nam era vets never miss a chance to bring up your service and/or any "combat" you saw. Why is that?

Funny, I worked in my dad's construction business while in high school and college. Most of the guys in his business were WW2 vets. My Uncle Hank, was at the Canal then Tarawa then finally Okinawa. You never EVER heard that man boast about the shit he saw.

I'm sure though you saw much worse than going in on the first wave at Tarawa, right Sneaky?

would hurt you for that if you said it to my face,you sniveling punk! You are insulting me and every other veteran that suffered disabilities and loss of pay (not to mention educational opportunities) because we served the country,while you lay back on your safe and protected ass and served nobody but yourself.

Oh, I see you can dish it out but you can't take it. You can go around calling everyone a "fool", yet when someone calls you out on your weak shit you lose it.

And how is it that EVERY FUCKING VIET NAM VET I KNOW IS DISABLED. What bullshit is that? I bet you're pulling down a big, fat "disability" check ON THE BACKS OF TAXPAYERS LIKE MYSELF.

How's my money doing? You enjoying the fruits of my labor?

Not a single VN vet I know isn't riding high on my dime.

Oh, by the way, Uncle Hank and the rest of the WW2s I knew couldn't stand you VN vets.

I wonder why that is? Why did the best generation this country ever produce have such contempt for your generation?

Was it all the pot and heroin your generation smoked/shot-up? Or the draft dodging?

You may have contempt for my generation, some of it well founded no doubt, but can you tell me why my dad's generation, the one's who really made the world safe for all of us, hate you guys so much?

because we served the country,while you lay back on your safe and protected ass and served nobody but yourself.

I may serve myself and my family, but I don't ask for a dime from anyone.

Unlike you who pulls down a fat, tax-payer check.

You didn't do any 20 year hitch. You didn't earn some pension.

Let's get this straight, I didn't ask you do to crap in VN, yet you want my money.

Look, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt about your disability, but don't go around show-boating how rough you got it and how it kept you out of college.

I saw kids with cerebral palsy graduate from college, so unless you're at that level of disability, or worse, I'm not buying your excuse.

And thank you for your service.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-21   12:02:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#87)

And there you go again tooting your own horn. Didn't anyone tell you that was in poor taste?

I'm not tooting my own horn. I am stating how I paid my dues with concrete facts.

"Tooting my own horn" would be vague references to how I "worked my ass off to pay my tuition". For all anybody knows,that means you worked 2 hours a day at the popcorn machine at a movie theater.

And my dad and his WW2 buddies didn't go around with a sign on their back saying,"Hey, look at us, we saved the world from the Japs."

Yeah,as a matter of fact,they DID. Not only that,but the GI Bill was CREATED to benefit the WW-2 vets.

You really don't know squat about anything,do you?

Yet, you Viet Nam era vets never miss a chance to bring up your service and/or any "combat" you saw. Why is that?

To educate whiners like you that never did anything.

I'm sure though you saw much worse than going in on the first wave at Tarawa, right Sneaky?

How would you know? All you are doing is trying to ride on his back and share in the credit.

You can go around calling everyone a "fool", yet when someone calls you out on your weak shit you lose it.

That's because you ARE a clueless fool,and I'm not. If you were a car,I'd call you a car. You are a fool,so I call you a fool. Why would you expect anything different?

I bet you're pulling down a big, fat "disability" check ON THE BACKS OF TAXPAYERS LIKE MYSELF.

I doubt the 27 dollars a week you pay in taxes for being the assistant manager at a comic book store is all that helpful,but thanks,anyhow.

Not a single VN vet I know isn't riding high on my dime.

Ok,my apologies. Your dime,not your 27 dollars.

Oh, by the way, Uncle Hank and the rest of the WW2s I knew couldn't stand you VN vets.

Not surprising. They are related to you. How smart CAN they be?

Why did the best generation this country ever produce have such contempt for your generation?

You mean the generation that voted for FDR three times,Truman after him,and then were responsible for things like turning Eastern Europe over to the Soviets,The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964,the War on Poverty, and the Gun Control Act of 1968?

but can you tell me why my dad's generation, the one's who really made the world safe for all of us, hate you guys so much?

Mostly because they were as ignorant as you are now,and thought everybody that grew up in the 60's were communist hippies,instead of recognizing the FACT that the communists who were working so hard to destroy our country came from THEIR generation.

Of course,they had a excellent excuse for their ignorance. The only news outlets available in their day were the radio and the local newspapers. If you lived in a small town or even a small city,the local newspaper couldn't afford to pay AP and the other wire services for the rights to publish their news reports,so a lot of what was going on was never reported to them and they had no way of knowing about it.

People today don't have that excuse. Thanks to the internet,no politician alive can keep his or her actions hidden,and there is damn little that can't be learned about past events.

The FACT that YOU insist on believing you were right on the Garand versus M-14 issue despite having never fired or handled either one,and stand by this despite being told it was wrong by people who have done both and who used to literally earn their living handling weapons is what makes you a fool. You have the ability to learn,but you refuse to do so. You would rather take the "Group think" opinions of people with no more experience than you over the opinions of professionals. This is the sign of a fool. I didn't name you,I just identified you.

You may have contempt for my generation,

Wrong. I have contempt for YOU. I have met and know many people of your generation that I admire.

I may serve myself and my family, but I don't ask for a dime from anyone.

Still smarting and have a chip on your shoulder because you weren't smart enough to earn a scholarship,huh?

Unlike you who pulls down a fat, tax-payer check.

Your hatred for vets is based on your jealousy of them getting disability checks because they are disabled due to their military service?

You didn't do any 20 year hitch.

The reason for this is because I was on permanent medical profile when I came back from VN.

You didn't earn some pension.

Once again,you don't have a freaking clue.

I saw kids with cerebral palsy graduate from college,

And I've seen sports stars and others graduate from college that couldn't read and write,and I see YOU bragging about being a college graduate,and you are entirely lacking the ability to reason.

Hell,both Boy Jorge and Barack Obama have advanced degrees from elite colleges. I seriously doubt you can match either of them when it comes to the college attended or the degrees reached.

In other words,you may want to rethink bragging about getting a college degree as some sort of major accomplishment. Anybody with a pulse that has the money to pay the tuition can get a college degree today.

so unless you're at that level of disability, or worse, I'm not buying your excuse.

I don't need your approval,and I understand your hatred is based on jealousy and ignorance.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21   12:57:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: sneakypete (#88)

And my dad and his WW2 buddies didn't go around with a sign on their back saying,"Hey, look at us, we saved the world from the Japs."

Yeah,as a matter of fact,they DID. Not only that,but the GI Bill was CREATED to benefit the WW-2 vets.

Lies. They did not. The GI bill, a government hand-out which I take it you were more than willing to accept, was created not by my dad's generation, but by the one above his.

I take it history wasn't your strong point in school?

That's because you ARE a clueless fool,and I'm not. If you were a car,I'd call you a car. You are a fool,so I call you a fool. Why would you expect anything different?

Typical cry-baby Viet Nam vet. He can run people down 24/7 yet when they stand up to him and inform him that yes, his shit does stink like everyone else's, they bitch and whine. I'm not saying I know everying in life, but I don't get my panties in a ball like you do when someone calls you on your idiotic statements.

And I've seen sports stars and others graduate from college that couldn't read and write,and I see YOU bragging about being a college graduate,and you are entirely lacking the ability to reason.

Hell,both Boy Jorge and Barack Obama have advanced degrees from elite colleges. I seriously doubt you can match either of them when it comes to the college attended or the degrees reached.

Wow, you really fucked yourself good with this comment. First you want to go to college, then drop-out. Now you go around smack-talking college educated people as if they are dunder-heads.

So what is it? Did you drop out because of some pinched nerve or you had no use for college like all the "idiots" who graduated from college.

You know what I think? I think you resent the fact you couldn't hack it with the books and have a major case of the ass over your inability to measure up to what society says is "smart."

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-21   16:29:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#92. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#89)

You know what I think?

You fookin idiot, you are incapable of thinking!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-21 16:44:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#89)

Lies. They did not. The GI bill, a government hand-out which I take it you were more than willing to accept, was created not by my dad's generation, but by the one above his.

It was created FOR his generation,and they were more than happy to take it.

but I don't get my panties in a ball like you do when someone calls you on your idiotic statements.

ROFLMAO! Yeah,as your last dozen or so posts prove,all because I told you a Garand is a better rifle than a M1A. I'm guessing you saved your pennies and are the proud owner of a M1A,and that's what set you off.

Now you go around smack-talking college educated people as if they are dunder-heads.

I admit I used to,but then I ran into you and your superb analytical skills and reasoning ability,and had to change my mind.

Tell me,what community college did you graduate from? Degree in art history?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21 19:33:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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