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Title: FBI Used Paid Informants On Best Buy's Geek Squad To Flag Child Pornography
Source: NPR
URL Source: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo ... quad-to-flag-child-pornography
Published: Mar 7, 2018
Author: staff
Post Date: 2018-03-07 20:19:44 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 3083
Comments: 56

The FBI paid Best Buy Geek Squad employees as informants, rewarding them for flagging indecent material when people brought their computers in for repair.

That's according to documents released to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital civil liberties organization, which filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking records that might show warrantless searches of people's devices.

EFF filed its complaint last year after revelations about the FBI's interactions with Geek Squad technicians emerged in the case of Mark Rettenmaier, an Orange County, Calif., physician and surgeon who took his computer in for repair when it wouldn't boot up. Rettenmaier faced child pornography charges after a Geek Squad employee flagged his computer to the FBI.

In May, a federal judge threw out almost all the evidence (which prosecutors said included hundreds of images of child pornography) because of "false and misleading statements" an FBI agent made in an affidavit to get a search warrant for Rettenmaier's house. The government ended up dropping the charges against him.

The records now released to EFF shed a bit more light on the relationship between Best Buy and the FBI. The documents show a range of interactions: a $500 payment from the FBI to a Geek Squad employee, a meeting of the agency's Cyber Working Group at Best Buy's computer repair facility in Kentucky, and a number of investigations in which Geek Squad employees called the FBI field office in Louisville after finding suspected child pornography.

A key question is whether Best Buy employees "go fishing" in customers' devices with the goal of helping the FBI.

That's what Rettenmaier's attorney James Riddet argued a Geek Squad technician had done when he searched the "unallocated space" of Rettenmaier's computer, where he found an image that was used to persuade a judge to grant a search warrant for his home.

"Their relationship is so cozy," Riddet told The Washington Post last year, "and so extensive that it turns searches by Best Buy into government searches. If they're going to set up that network between Best Buy supervisors and FBI agents, you run the risk that Best Buy is a branch of the FBI."

Best Buy tells NPR that it does indeed report discovery of child pornography to law enforcement, citing a "moral and, in more than 20 states, a legal obligation" to do so — but it says it prohibits employees from looking for "anything other than what is necessary to solve the customer's problem." EFF says it is concerned the FBI is using Geek Squad informants to conduct private searches as a means of circumventing Fourth Amendment protections against warrantless searches.

"[T]he FBI's Geek Squad informants should plainly qualify as agents of the government," EFF wrote in May. "The records disclosed thus far indicate that FBI agents paid Geek Squad informants to conduct these wide-ranging searches of customers' devices, suggesting that officials both knew about the searches and directed the informants to conduct them. The payments Geek Squad informants received also demonstrate that they conducted the searches with the intent to assist the FBI."

Best Buy says it has "not sought or received training from law enforcement in how to search for child pornography" and has "redoubled our efforts to train employees on what to do — and not do — in these circumstances."

The company says that three of the four employees who allegedly received payment from the FBI for turning over child pornography are no longer with the company, and the fourth was reprimanded and reassigned. "Any decision to accept payment was in very poor judgement and inconsistent with our training and policies," it said in a statement to NPR.

The FBI would not comment on the matter, citing ongoing litigation. "In addition," a spokesman said in an email to NPR, "the FBI does not provide any information on the dealings with informants, for obvious reasons."


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#1. To: buckeroo (#0) (Edited)

Best Buy says it has "not sought or received training from law enforcement in how to search for child pornography"

This seems to imply that they were already experts on finding child porn.like yukon.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-03-07   20:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeroo (#0)

I'm not a huge fan of the fed cops... but absolutely ingenious. F' child porn criminal shitbags.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-03-07   20:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#1)

The real problem to society is that the FBI has no business actively soliciting the private markets for SNOOPING unless they have a WARRANT.

It was the same scenario for the Branch Davidians in 1992.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-07   21:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: GrandIsland (#2)

I'm not a huge fan of the fed cops... but absolutely ingenious.

Yeah, just wait 'til they find you have been claiming all kinds of primers in your momma's basement on LF. They may want to visit you without a warrant because of your wild claims.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-07   21:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#3)

the FBI has no business actively soliciting the private markets for SNOOPING unless they have a WARRANT.

4th amendment.

There would be a lot less crime, if the FBI didn't have so many employees. Shut it down.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-03-07   21:15:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GrandIsland (#2)

I'm not a huge fan of the fed cops... but absolutely ingenious. F' child porn criminal shitbags.

Amen

.

rlk  posted on  2018-03-07   21:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: rlk (#6)

Amen

What are you praying for? A police state to ensure your morals are brought into a court of law for scrutiny that are later released as the article sez?

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-07   21:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: buckeroo (#0)

You have got to applaud that a sleeze bag was brought down even if it ultimately meant inconvenience.

In these days of drugs, porn, jihad illegal activity should be reported. What is the difference between reporting a street crime and reporting on illegal traffic.

You want a free society, protect the victims

paraclete  posted on  2018-03-08   4:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#0)

The records now released to EFF shed a bit more light on the relationship between Best Buy and the FBI. The documents show a range of interactions: a $500 payment from the FBI to a Geek Squad employee

Gee - there's no incentive there for the employee to "plant" the child porn on the computer to make a quick and easy 500 bucks, is there?

Child porn is bad - OK? But this kind of crap is outrageous - almost as bad as the FBI running Not Just One But 24 Dark Web Child-Porn Websites.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-03-08   6:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: GrandIsland (#2)

I'm not a huge fan of the fed cops... but absolutely ingenious.

You betcha! Those Feebs are such wonderful examples of integrity.

The FBI May Have Run Not Just One But 24 Dark Web Child-Porn Websites

The sites are thought to have accounted for roughly half of all child porn websites on the dark web.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-03-08   6:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeroo (#0) (Edited)

Best Buy tells NPR that it does indeed report discovery of child pornography to law enforcement

Good for them!

I am for limiting the reach of government in almost all cases,but not when it comes to the abuse of beings that can't defend themselves,like children and animals.

Show me a case where child porn and animal abuse files has ever ended up on anyone's computer by mistake,and I might change my mind.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-08   6:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: hondo68 (#1) (Edited)

This seems to imply that they were already experts on finding child porn.like yukon.

Sounds like you might have some trouble distinguishing child porn from regular porn.

Let me help. It's regular porn,but with children.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-08   6:59:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: GrandIsland (#2) (Edited)

I'm not a huge fan of the fed cops... but absolutely ingenious. F' child porn criminal shitbags.

Yeah,I'm with you on this one. Stuff like this is the prime reason I decided to not become a cop. I knew there were certain criminals I couldn't arrest without having them "accidentially" fall down a dozen or more times,and "attack my nightstick with their heads and joints" multiple times on the way to lock up. You can't do that and not be almost as criminal as they are.

However,if the situation ever occurs where I am in a position to make a citizens arrest on a child rapist or sadist,chances are he WILL accumulate a little wear and tear in the process. I ain't perfect and I do have my limits.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-08   7:06:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deckard (#9)

Your artlice you link to says "may". Making you a liar like Matt. You presents it as fact. You're decending to the levels of our very own retarded hondopehead.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-03-08   7:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo (#3)

The real problem to society is that the FBI has no business actively soliciting the private markets for SNOOPING unless they have a WARRANT.

It's not snooping if you take your computer to someone to have it fixed. They MUST look at your files to find the corrupted ones and fix the problem.

And it wasn't Feebs doing the looking. It was employees of a private business.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-08   7:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo (#4)

Yeah, just wait 'til they find you have been claiming all kinds of primers in your momma's basement on LF.

There are laws against having primers?

Since when?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-08   7:10:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeroo (#7)

What are you praying for? A police state to ensure your morals are brought into a court of law for scrutiny that are later released as the article sez?

Are you SURE protecting pedophiles is a mountain you want to climb on?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-08   7:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Deckard (#9)

Gee - there's no incentive there for the employee to "plant" the child porn on the computer to make a quick and easy 500 bucks, is there?

Is that something YOU would do for $500?

Where would you find the child porn to "plant",at home?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-08   7:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deckard (#10)

Those Feebs are such wonderful examples of integrity.

Yeah,MOST Feebs ARE wonderful examples of integrity. Do NOT confuse their political leadership with the typical "Dudley Doright" that is the typical FBI field agent.

The FBI May Have Run Not Just One But 24 Dark Web Child-Porn Websites

The sites are thought to have accounted for roughly half of all child porn websites on the dark web.

Good for them!

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-08   7:16:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: sneakypete (#18)

Is that something YOU would do for $500?

Personally? No - I don't have the computer skills to pull off something like that.

Where would you find the child porn to "plant",at home?

Apparently the man took his computer in for repair when it wouldn't boot up - so it was at the Best Buy.

In May, a federal judge threw out almost all the evidence (which prosecutors said included hundreds of images of child pornography) because of "false and misleading statements" an FBI agent made in an affidavit to get a search warrant for Rettenmaier's house. The government ended up dropping the charges against him.

Looks to me like there wasn't enough evidence even with a search warrant and the charges were dropped after the FBI agent apparently lied.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-03-08   7:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#19)

The FBI May Have Run Not Just One But 24 Dark Web Child-Porn Websites

The sites are thought to have accounted for roughly half of all child porn websites on the dark web.

Good for them!

"Good for them"? Distributing child porn?

Okey dokey.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-03-08   7:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deckard (#20)

Apparently the man took his computer in for repair when it wouldn't boot up - so it was at the Best Buy.

You think Best Buy stocks child porn?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-08   7:25:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deckard (#21)

"Good for them"? Distributing child porn?

How much child porn have they distributed to you,your family,or your friends?

Name ONE innocent person you personally know that "accidentally" went looking for child porn on the Dark Web,found it,and "accidentally" kept going back and buying it. Theoretically,I "know" about the "Dark Web",but I don't have the first clue about how to find it,and absolutely zero interest in learning how based on what I have heard about it. Hell,I don't even have enough time to watch all the shows and movies I pull in on my ROKU,never mind depraved illegal shit on the internet that would make me want to personally start tracking people down.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-03-08   7:31:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo (#4)

Unlike you, I don't shit myself in fear of big daddy gov hiding under my bed. I don't break the law, fuckeroo

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-03-08   17:47:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: GrandIsland (#24)

Don't you find that it is possible to have these "paid" informants plant the stuff?

I do. All they have to do is roll the date/time backwards and stuff whatever they want on the hard drives to collect their bounty. Apparently you aren't afraid of shenanigans like that sort of action.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-08   18:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#0)

The FBI paid Best Buy Geek Squad employees as informants ...
There is absolutely nothing new here, Sport.

The FBI has used informants, both paid and unpaid since....well, forever. The courts have long recognized that the FBI and LEOs use of informants is both lawful and essential to the effectiveness of properly authorized law enforcement investigations. while it is definitely legally permissible for the FBI to use paid and unpaid informants, special care is given so that no person’s individual rights are infringed upon.

There is no sensational breaking news about anything in this article and it is just another “ho hum” article designed to chastise the polices by cop-hating assholes. I am personally pleased to see that purveyors and users of child porn are being removed from the public and identified and labeled with a scarlet “CP.”

Don’t you really have anything better to do that post this crap ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-03-08   19:26:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Gatlin (#26)

Notice: The FBI paid Best Buy Geek Squad employees as informants ; there was no training.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-08   19:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#25) (Edited)

Don't you find that it is possible to have these "paid" informants plant the stuff?

After it's found and located, without any constitutional violations, the computer is seized and sent to a lab for a computer forensic analysis. Those folks can tell the who, what, when, where and how of the illegal material found... and they'll testify as a professional, just like a DNA lab tech.

So shut your shat-flaps.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-03-08   19:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: GrandIsland (#28)

So the case presented in the article is just BULLSHIT, 'eh? Seems to me you have a lotta faith in the FBI.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-08   20:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Deckard, A K A Stone, GrandIsland (#9)

Child porn is bad - OK?
No, it’s NOT okay and what you are doing is SO wrong..

First you stand up for the globalist against Trump and now you are for protecting child porn perverts against the FBI all because of your severe hatred for law enforcement.

Is there ABOLUTELY no END to your MADNESS?

What has gotten to you?

Not only you, but also Bucky and hondo.

You all are are some deranged idiots.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-03-08   20:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Gatlin (#30)

It is clear, you didn't read the article. You are a dumb ass.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-08   21:16:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Gatlin, ankle biter, tater tard, sniping behind the bozo filter (#30)

and hondo

Someone please tell tater to F' off, the coward has me on bozo.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-03-08   22:09:19 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: hondo68, tater (#32)

tater didn't read the article. He has some baggage with him called: dumb ass.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-08   22:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo (#0)

The FBI paid Best Buy Geek Squad employees as informants, rewarding them for flagging indecent material when people brought their computers in for repair.

Good

The geeks make a few extra dollars and the FBI can actively pursue degenerate criminals.

Win / Win

Jameson  posted on  2018-03-09   8:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jameson (#34)

Good

The geeks make a few extra dollars and the FBI can actively pursue degenerate criminals.

Win / Win

You are another one that is anxious to read the "headline" but not commenting on the content of the body of the article.

This article proves my hypothesis that many on LF don't know how to read critically, much less apply critical thinking to the content of the article.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-03-09   8:29:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Gatlin (#30) (Edited)

First you stand up for the globalist against Trump and now you are for protecting child porn perverts

You sure like to make shit up, don't you.

I just agreed that child porn is bad.

In May, a federal judge threw out almost all the evidence (which prosecutors said included hundreds of images of child pornography) because of "false and misleading statements" an FBI agent made in an affidavit to get a search warrant for Rettenmaier's house.

The government ended up dropping the charges against him.

In this particular fishing expedition, the charges were DROPPED because the Feebs lied to get a warrant.

Apparently you believe that it's fine and dandy for the FBI to "make shit up" in an attempt to get a warrant.

Apparently? Hell no - you have championed this sort of bullshit from cops ever since you've posted your cop-worshiping screeds on this chit chat channel and most likely all of your submissive life.

I'll say this one more time Parsons - child porn is bad.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-03-09   8:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Deckard (#36)

I just agreed that child porn is bad.
But then you strongly stated that it was bad for the FBI to used paid informants to help discover perverts and stamp it out.

You simply cannot have it both ways....even in your own libertarian “dark world.”

I was only pointing out that reality to you, as others have also correctly done.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-03-09   8:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Deckard (#36)

I'll say this one more time Parsons - child porn is bad.
I’ll say this is response – let the FBI do the job they are LEGALLY doing to stamp out child porn and get off of their ass while you continue to condemn LE for its every more.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-03-09   9:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Gatlin (#38) (Edited)

let the FBI do the job they are LEGALLY doing to stamp out child porn

If they had compelling evidence, why did they LIE to get a warrant?

Why are they not prosecuted for distributing child porn via their own websites?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-03-09   9:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deckard (#36)

Apparently you believe that it's fine and dandy for the FBI to "make shit up" in an attempt to get a warrant.
Apparently you cannot stay on point and NO I do not believe that.

The FBI never made anything up in an attempt to get a warrant when they used BBY as paid informants to discover purveyors of child porn.

Stick to the point.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-03-09   9:06:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Gatlin (#40)

I stated my concerns in my first post - nothing needs to be added.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-03-09   9:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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