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Title: Trump's Steel Tariffs Will Help, Not Hurt, China
Source: Reason
URL Source: https://reason.com/blog/2018/03/05/ ... -steel-tariffs-will-help-china
Published: Mar 5, 2018
Author: Eric Boehm
Post Date: 2018-03-06 06:07:44 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 5101
Comments: 61

The proposed tariffs are an exercise in ego, not economics.

President Donald Trump apparently believes that "trade wars are good, and easy to win."

They are neither. And, in fact, Trump's plan to slap a 25 percent tariff on all steel imports—something the president is considering as a way to help American steel manufacturers by protecting them from international competition—might indirectly boost China's steel industry while punishing some of America's top allies and trading partners, along with the very American workers the president supposedly wants to help. If the tariffs trigger a trade war, something analysts say could happen, then China probably stands to gain further.

Trump loves to talk about how China has been "killing" U.S. manufacturing, and to blame China for dumping cheap steel into the American market. In reality, the U.S. imported $976 million worth of steel from China in 2017 (up from $906 million the year before), which means China accounted for barely more than 3 percent of all steel imports.

The United States imported far more steel from places like Japan ($1.65 billion), Brazil ($2.44 billion), and South Korea ($2.78 billion) last year. The largest exporter of steel to the United States is Canada, which sent more than 5.6 million metric tons of the stuff worth more than $5.1 billion across the border during 2017.

The new tariffs will be applied to all steel imports, which means close allies like Japan, Korea, and Canada will be hurt by the tariffs more than Trump's favored enemy of China.

"Hitting China and Canada with the same tariff doesn't penalize China relative to anyone else," says Dan Ikenson, director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank. "That doesn't, and shouldn't, sit well with exporters from countries that have done nothing wrong."

Think about it like this. Trump's tariff will build a protectionist wall around American steel manufacturers, but it won't entirely stop the flow of foreign steel into the country. Because the wall will be the same height for all imports, the cheaper Chinese steel that Trump likes to vilify will still have an advantage over all other sources.

Meanwhile, American businesses that rely on steel imports will have to pay higher prices, which will be passed along to consumers. All steel-made products will be more expensive if the tariffs are imposed—and the same is true for aluminum products if Trump follows through with his threat to impose a 10 percent tariff on them. That's part of the reason why the stock market dropped 420 points immediately after Trump's surprise announcement of the tariff proposal last week. As Matt Welch explained on Friday, Barack Obama's tariffs on Chinese tires cost American consumers an estimated $1.1 billion in return for preserving 1,200 jobs in the domestic tire industry, while George W. Bush's duties on foreign steel destroyed some 200,000 jobs in other sectors, exceeding the total employment of the American steel industry.

Michael Froman, former United States trade representative during the Obama administration, tells Vox that there's little doubt China is engaged in some unfair trading when it comes to steel and aluminum. The problem, though, is that Trump's tariff proposal "does very little, if anything, to affect China."

"Instead, we're hitting our closest allies and partners with a set of tariffs under the justification of national security," he says.

Those same concerns are causing some Republicans in Congress to challenge the president's proposal. On Sunday, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said "China wins" if tariffs increase prices for American consumers or create conflict between the United States and its major trading partners.

"You're punishing the American consumer and our allies. You're making a huge mistake," Graham said on CBS' Face The Nation. "Go after China—not the rest of the world."

That's really just the start. China could respond to the Trump tariffs by imposing their own import taxes on American-made products like soy beans, airplanes, or computer technology. If China doesn't respond directly, other countries might. A trade war that draws new protectionist tariffs from the European Union aimed at American exports would harm both trading partners, and indirectly boost China.

Already, European Commission President Jean-Claude Junker has promised to "not sit idly while our industry is hit with unfair measures that put thousands of European jobs at risk," and Chrystia Freeland, Canada's foreign minister, has threatened to take "responsive measures to defend its trade interests and workers."

If the trade war escalates to the extend that current trade agreements are jeopardized, it could drive a wedge between the United States and it's major allies. In that environment, Ikenson warns, China could get away with more rule violations due to the lack of "a coherent, unified response."

In other words, Trump's tariffs and the trade wars they could initiate might indeed be "good and easy to win," but not for the United States.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

They are right. You are an anti American dicktard.

You should move to Amsterdam where you can do all the drugs you want doper.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-03-06   6:59:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#1) (Edited)

Barack Obama's tariffs on Chinese tires cost American consumers an estimated $1.1 billion in return for preserving 1,200 jobs in the domestic tire industry, while George W. Bush's duties on foreign steel destroyed some 200,000 jobs in other sectors, exceeding the total employment of the American steel industry.

Were you for Obama's tariffs, or are tariffs only "good" when Trump says they are?

Deckard  posted on  2018-03-06   8:23:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deckard, A K A Stone (#4) (Edited)

Barack Obama's tariffs on Chinese tires cost American consumers an estimated $1.1 billion in return for preserving 1,200 jobs in the domestic tire industry …
Let’s see now, Deckard. Your are supporting the contention that if we send 1,200 jobs out of this country each month in the domestic tire industry, then we will save $1.1 billion each month. Hmmm? You always think you are much smarter that I, so do you do the math for everyone. How many jobs do we send overseas before no tires are produces in America in exchange for how money will be saved?

When you finish that calculation, tell me with absolutely no tires being produced in this country and we become slaves to foreign tire producers for tires, how much do you think with their monopoly, they will raise the prices and charge us for each automobile tire? Say: $1,000, $2,000, $3,000 or how much? Exaggeration? No! We have seen the thousands percentage increases with big pharma in our country doing business that same way with their monopolies.

Hey, boy….wake up, it does happen.

Now you look at the jobs loss versus dollars saved with the steel and aluminum industry to see how long before no steel or aluminum is produced in this country, how much money is saved and what the effect will be.

What happens to this country with foreigners to whom we are totally dependent on for all tires, steel and aluminum get pissed at the U.S. and stop sending those products to America? Embargo” Hmmm? It could happen in your world of thinking you know? And speaking of “world,” so far as your hated New World Order is concerned….will these embargos now give new meaning to that terrible monstrosity and create a “New, New World Order?” Hmmm?

And BTW:

… while George W. Bush's duties on foreign steel destroyed some 200,000 jobs in other sectors, exceeding the total employment of the American steel industry.
Don’t believe these assholes with a bigger agenda than you, who use a more warped rational the even you. You notice they use the LARGE number of 200,000 jobs to scare everyone while they never published any resultant dollar losses or savings.

So let’s go to the Internet …

In September 2003, the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) examined the economic effects of the Bush 2002 Steel Tariffs. The economy-wide analysis was designed to focus on the impacts that arose from the relative price changes resulting from the imposition of the tariffs, and estimated that the impact of the tariffs on the U.S. welfare ranged between a gain of $65.6 million (0.0006% of GDP) to a loss of $110.0 million (0.0011% of GDP). A majority of steel-consuming businesses reported that neither continuing nor ending the tariffs would change employment, international competitiveness, or capital investment.
Am I making any sense at all to you. GLOBALIST? If not, then you surely are brain dead.

Boy, you better start listening to Stone….he is so much smarter that you are and he is trying to keep you straight.

I yield back the remainder of my time to you, Stone, I have caregiver chores to do. This is not my usual work, it was thrown together rapidly since I am in a hurry….hope it made sense.

Trump knows what he is doing!

Gatlin  posted on  2018-03-06   9:46:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Gatlin (#7)

Am I making any sense at all to you. GLOBALIST?

Seems to me that you are on record as supporting the globalist agenda with your hatred of the Constitution.

I presented an opinion piece on why Trump's ideas may not be in the best interest of the nation. Apparently any criticism of Der Führer or his policies is not allowed on this site.

LF has turned into a regular echo chamber with the Trump cultists in charge.

Deckard  posted on  2018-03-06   10:23:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deckard (#9)

Am I making any sense at all to you. GLOBALIST?

Seems to me that you are on record as supporting the globalist agenda with your hatred of the Constitution.

“It seems to me”....no, scratch that. You are obviously always much more wrong than the few times your are correct.

The opinion you presented was shoddy and failingly so irrational that you sounded life a four-year-old telling his mommy that he had to go to the bathroom.

I am definitely not a globalist and I strongly support the Constitution.

I presented an opinion piece on why Trump's ideas may not be in the best interest of the nation. Apparently any criticism of Der Führer or his policies is not allowed on this site.
You presented an asinine opinion that was remarkably irrational and definitely was never in any way in the best interest of our great nation. It was decidedly in the best interest of foreign nations....and that’s why different people are correct in branding you a, GLOBALIST.

Bring Hitler or Nazi into a discussion is the final sign of total capitulation. But then, you were doomed from the beginning with our outrageously weak remarks.

LF has turned into a regular echo chamber with the Trump cultists in charge.
LF is always the way it has been. Stone has never changed his management of the forum or the admissibility of varying view points in any shape or manner. He has been extremely tolerant with you and others of your ilk....much more than I ever would have been.

Look in the mirror, asshole....it is YOU that has changed. You have let your obsessive hatred for this country to cause you to fall deeply in love with other nation and look out for their inerests....you support those foreign nations against America, the land most all of us still love.

Are you understating any of this, GLOBALIST?

Gatlin  posted on  2018-03-06   11:08:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Gatlin (#15)

You presented an asinine opinion that was remarkably irrational and definitely was never in any way in the best interest of our great nation

OK, got it - Dissenting OPINION must not be tolerated in the Trump regime.

...you support those foreign nations against America, the land most all of us still love.

Wow - so anyone critical of Trump's policies "hates America"?

Good grief - you are just as much of a knee-jerk reactionary and liar as Stone.

Deckard  posted on  2018-03-06   11:19:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#25. To: Deckard (#19)

OK, got it - Dissenting OPINION must not be tolerated in the Trump regime.

You can have an opinion. We are just exercising our free speech to tell your ideas are weirdo ideas a lot of the time. Not always. But often.

You are a globalist because you are worried about so called allies selling us steel but you don't care I'd Americans are out of work and end up going on welfare. As long as you can save a penny on a can of beer.

Interesting that a drug proponent would worry about tariffs affects on the beer drug.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-03-06 11:26:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Deckard (#19)

Good grief - you are just as much of a knee-jerk reactionary and liar as Stone.
Rant on. You are a hopelessly lost cause.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-03-06 11:31:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Deckard (#19)

OK, got it - Dissenting OPINION must not be tolerated in the Trump regime.
You got nothing, dipshit....otherwise you would have changed your modus operands.

Dissenting opinions are welcome and will be debated.

Crazy irrational comments merely to engage in a personal attack will be pounced upon.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-03-06 14:53:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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