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Title: NARRATIVE FAIL: Florida School Shooter Did NOT Use 'High-Capacity' Magazines
Source: DailyWire
URL Source: https://www.dailywire.com/news/2779 ... oter-did-not-use-ryan-saavedra
Published: Mar 2, 2018
Author: Ryan Saavedra
Post Date: 2018-03-02 22:01:41 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 5924
Comments: 51

While Democratic politicians insist on infringing on the rights of law-abiding Americans to prevent the next mass shooting, a report from earlier this week that received barely any attention shows that their efforts would not have stopped the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School gunman.

House Democrats introduced an assault weapons ban bill this week that would also "prohibit the sale, transfer, production, and importation of semi-automatic rifles and pistols that have a magazine or can accept a magazine that can hold more than 10 bullets, and any ammunition-feeding device that can hold more than 10 bullets."

This bill would have done nothing to prevent the Parkland shooting as the gunman did not use "high-capacity" magazines, he used 10-round magazines. The Miami Herald reports:
Several state legislators who visited the school with crime-scene investigators said they learned from police that [the shooter]’s rifle was not top-of-the-line, perhaps explaining the malfunction.

[The shooter] went in with only 10-round magazines because larger clips would not fit in his duffel bag. ...

The information came from Democratic State Sen. Lauren Book (Plantation) who said the "weapon and bullets were not high quality and were breaking apart." The Herald further noted:
Before the weapon jammed, the 19-year-old tried to shoot out a third-floor window in the freshman building of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School so he could spray bullets onto helpless students and staff below. But the hurricane-impact glass did not break.

A weapons expert told the Herald that jamming is a major weakness of the AR-15 platform and that the rifles “are prone to this type of problem if not cleaned thoroughly.”

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

A weapons expert told the Herald that jamming is a major weakness of the AR-15 platform and that the rifles “are prone to this type of problem if not cleaned thoroughly.”

That was established since they were introduced in Viet Nam.

rlk  posted on  2018-03-02   22:47:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: rlk, Liberator, GrandIsland (#1)

What do you make of this?

The information came from Democratic State Sen. Lauren Book (Plantation) who said the "weapon and bullets were not high quality and were breaking apart."

Admittedly a liberal Dem and a woman so she probably knows less than nothing about guns. I'm wondering how cheap the ammo or how dirty the gun would be if it was actually "breaking apart".

This might explain why he threw his gun down and tried to escape. Maybe it just stopped working and the little psycho lost his nerve entirely.

After 2 weeks, the info we should have had after one day just slowly trickles out.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-03-02   23:06:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#2) (Edited)

the little psycho lost his nerve entirely.

That's my guess.

All the AR's I've trained on, with or own, operated flawlessly. If the gun is stamped 5.56 then only shoot 5.56. .223 isn't as hot as 5.56. That won't be investigated findings most likely released to the public... if he was feeding .223 through a 5.56 stamped weapon or feeding 5.56 through an AR stamped.223.

It also could be operator error, being he was a young dumb stupid fucking millennial behind the weapon. Our youth today can fuck up a wet dream.

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-03-03   7:23:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GrandIsland, misterwhite (#3)

All the AR's I've trained on, with or own, operated flawlessly.

I recall you have 3-4 of these. I'm still shopping around. Care to mention the brands and models you like most? And whether you choose the .223 or the 5.56. I assume you aren't building your own. I did notice that Cody guy is selling his auto-CNC milling machines as fast as he can make them, mostly to shipping addresses in TX and CA. I dunno, making unregistered guns without serial numbers sounds like trouble waiting to happen, even in Montana.

if he was feeding .223 through a 5.56 stamped weapon or feeding 5.56 through an AR stamped .223.

Is that a problem with quality guns or just the cheapos? I've read it is a lot more problematic with cheapo guns.

At places like rifleshootermag.com, you read stuff like:

Today, the difference can be marked. The leade on a proper 5.56 chamber is twice or more than that of a .223 chamber, and the onset angle of the 5.56 rifling creates a ramp with four times the distance. Firing .223 in a .223 chamber, or a 5.56 chamber, is not a problem. But firing real-deal 5.56 ammo in a .223 chamber can be a big problem.

The SAAMI-spec maximum average pressure for the .223, measured at the middle of the case, is 55,000 psi. The NATO spec for 5.56 is determined by SAAMI’s European counterpart, CIP. CIP measures at the case mouth and lists the 5.56 pressure spec of 62,000 psi. Measured at the case middle as SAAMI does, it shows 60,000 psi—so either way it’s higher than the .223.

But the problem isn’t just pressure. That CIP pressure of 62,000 psi? It is measured in a 5.56 chamber. If we take the same round, which shows 60,000 psi per SAAMI (which is already 5,000 psi over the .223 max) and put it into a .223 chamber, things get ugly. The pressure spike piles onto an already over-pressure round.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-03-03   10:29:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#6)

I own AR's made by Colt, RockRiver Arms and BushMaster.

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-03-03   11:14:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GrandIsland, misterwhite (#7) (Edited)

I own AR's made by Colt, RockRiver Arms and BushMaster.

Which models of each? Did you kit-build the Rock River rifle (I've read that's big with the Rock River buyers)? Which do you think represent the best values?

I've stopped looking at the cheaper guns and have been looking at the guns in the $900-$1200 range. And while I don't like EU in general, I keep returning to the CZ 805 Bren S1 at around $1600, probably more gun than I can justify buying, given my modest shooting ability.

The Bushmaster is American-built and ubiquitous. What do you think of a starter kit like this one:

GunsAmerica: Bushmaster XM15 Lite Weight, Quick Response Carbine QRC SuperKit 5.56/.223

This one is listed $1375 but they are offering some discount packages with the same gear for $1275.

I know buying a kit takes some of the fun out of shopping for accessories (scopes, laser, flashlight, tripod, mags) but I overshop so much that it often ruins buying something and I kinda hate what I bought as a result.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-03-03   11:53:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#9)

I know buying a kit takes some of the fun out of shopping for accessories

That is the fun part. But you may end up replacing those anyways. When a rifle is loaded up that way, the seller doesn't usually provide top quality accessories.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-03-03   14:30:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#12)

That is the fun part.

Not for me. Over the years, the whole shopping experience has become excruciating for me. Having too many choices actually makes me unhappy.

When a rifle is loaded up that way, the seller doesn't usually provide top quality accessories.

That particular seller is quite...parsimonious...about revealing some of the brand names on the accessories being sold. Most of the time, you can identify them from the pics but you have to wonder why they deliberately choose to omit the brand/model of each accessory in the package. Well, obviously they do it for a reason, it's no oversight.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-03-03   15:16:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative (#13) (Edited)

Plus he threw in a folding bipod, laser sight, forward grip and flashlight -- in addition to the red dot, 4X scope and iron sights. There may be an AM/FM radio I overlooked.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-03-03   18:30:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#16. To: misterwhite (#15)

I wouldn't be surprised if they give more info if you register for the site. What I'm seeing is the looky-loo version. If you were logged in on their site - and therefore a lot more serious - you might get full details from their listings. Otherwise, I can see no reason why anyone would buy any of their package deals. Yet, I see they offer a lot of those, for most any gun they sell. So someone must like their superkit deals. Selling guns is way too competitive for people to spend on package deals like that without more info than what we see on that site. So there has to be more to it, I think.

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