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Title: What the heck happened to Germany’s military?
Source: HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02 ... ck-happened-germanys-military/
Published: Feb 27, 2018
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2018-02-27 18:24:25 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 12058
Comments: 114

One of the more controversial platform items in Donald Trump’s foreign policy stance on the campaign trail had been an insistence that our Europen allies start investing more in their own military forces and carrying a bit more of the defense load. One country in particular was called out on this and that was Germany. Many in the media scoffed at the idea and even termed it insulting to our German allies.

But how real was the need for improvement? Recently it’s been revealed that Germany’s military isn’t just behind the curve on investment and improvements. It’s practically dysfunctional. German Newspaper Die Welt reported on the dismal state of the Bundeswehr (the unified armed forces of Germany and their civil administration) last week and the numbers are staggering. (Translated from German – may be imprecise.)
Thus, the total stock of Leopard 2 main battle tanks is 244th In 2017, an average of 176 were available, the remainder was in the repair or was stored in depots. Of these 176 tanks, 105 were actually ready for use, which makes a quota of on average 60 percent – and yet nothing is said about the extent to which maintenance and spare parts supply are actually sustainable…

In the Panzerhaubitze 2000 it is already close again: In the inventory of the Bundeswehr, there is this artillery gun 121 times. But only 75 are available, 42 operational (56 percent).

Even more dramatic looks at the army aviators. The total stock of the NH90 transport helicopter is 58. In 2017, 37 of these were available on average, while only 13 were available (35 percent). Four of them are in action in Mali – which incidentally means that hardly any staff is available for training at home. Failure to withdraw the NH90 from Mali in the middle of the year will stall the ability for years to come.

So the Germans have 95 operable tanks at any given time and less than 200 working Armored Personnel Carriers. Their Air Force is in serious trouble. They have roughly forty operable fighter jets, a good portion of which are already committed to operations around Turkey and Syria.

And then there’s the Navy. Shall we talk about the German submarine force? It’s going to be a short discussion. Coming into this winter they had one (!) operable submarine. Sadly, that one grounded on the rocks a few months ago so their total fleet of subs currently stands at… zero.

How did things get to this point? A recent interview with the German Defense Minister included some choice quotes. One of them was the explanation that Germany hasn’t paid as much attention to the military because “we are surrounded by friends.” The alternate and somewhat more dismal explanation is, “because we just don’t care.”

Germany’s Parliamentary Armed Forces Commissioner, Hans-Peter Bartels, gave a blistering interview to DW this month, citing numerous shortcomings, and they go beyond a lack of heavy machinery. He said that the Army lacked sufficient protective vests, winter clothing and tents to be able to take part in a major NATO training mission. The soldiers are “under stress” and lacking discipline or leadership in too many cases because the German Army has 21,000 vacant officer posts.

So will that be changing? Hey… Germany has politics just like we do. Spending two percent of their GDP on the military is a big ask and will require a lot of votes. Don’t hold your breath. And in the meantime, if something serious flares up in that region you may be waiting a while for the German cavalry to arrive.


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All of the NATO forces have declined severely. Britain and Germany were two key allies who greatly shrunk their military. And America under 0bama neglected the military badly in fundamental ways. The military was hollowed out.

Trump was right to lower the boom on Germany's Merkel. Despite her backtalk, she's left the German military in a shambles.

America really has no western European allies to speak of.

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#29. To: Tooconservative, no gnu taxes, VxH, Vicomte13, sneakypete, Deckard (#0)

But how real was the need for improvement? Recently it’s been revealed that Germany’s military isn’t just behind the curve on investment and improvements. It’s practically dysfunctional.

HELL NO !!!!!

Germans had great military in WWII. Who are the psychos that want to rebuild it? The same ones who talk about "Polish concentration camps"?

A Pole  posted on  2018-03-01   1:45:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A Pole (#29)

Germans had great military in WWII. Who are the psychos that want to rebuild it? The same ones who talk about "Polish concentration camps"?

But...but...What about the Communists Soviet Gulags and their own Death Camps?? Were they Holiday Inns??

Liberator  posted on  2018-03-01   8:49:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Liberator (#30)

But...but...What about the Communists Soviet Gulags and their own Death Camps?? Were they Holiday Inns??

No, they weren't nice places. But the fundamental difference between Nazi Germany and the USSR is that Nazi Germany attacked the West and Soviet Russia stuck to itself until Germany attacked it, then the USSR and the West both fought Germany and Japan to bring them down. Then they stopped fighting.

The difference between war and cold war is the difference between lightning and the lightning bug.

Stalin killed a lot of his own people. Hitler burnt down London. Huge difference.

We and the Soviets manage to sit next to each other with nuclear weapons for 42 years without going to war. It's not really possible to imagine the same scenario sitting next to Hitler.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-03-01   8:58:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Vicomte13, a pole (#33) (Edited)

But the fundamental difference between Nazi Germany and the USSR is that Nazi Germany attacked the West and Soviet Russia stuck to itself...

NEITHER was a good guy, Vic. In any context.

Stalin starved, executed or imprisoned at least 30 million of his own people.

The Soviets took a piece of Poland. And before that swallowed up smaller sovereign states to consolidate their "Soviet Union."

...Then the USSR and the West both fought Germany and Japan to bring them down.

PURELY a self-defensive measure against Germany. One was going to attack the other in any case. (Commies vs Nazis had already been festering.)

The Soviets did NOT "fight" Japan during WWII; They were political opportunists who were awarded Japanese territory in exchange for a cosmetic "Declaration of War."

We and the Soviets manage to sit next to each other with nuclear weapons for 42 years without going to war. It's not really possible to imagine the same scenario sitting next to Hitler.

On this point we agree. But ONLY because America held all the winning cards against the Soviets.

Liberator  posted on  2018-03-01   9:16:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Liberator (#34)

The Soviets took a piece of Poland.

Yes,and they did it with the help of their fellow SOCIALIST ALLIES,NAZI GERMANY.

Stalin and his goomba Hitler had an agreement to divide the country before the invasion ever began.

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